I am loosing my mind with this game.

[Illius]

For the past week I have been busy with getting FO3 to work so that I can enjoy the game without the least amount of trouble. ( Wel it is a Beth game so we know the trouble they can have. :smile: ) Now yesterday morning a friend mentioned the MO for Fallout 3 guides of Dirty Weasel ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWMvEg2LxwXbtc-mZT_H9pOwhIdOcMcn9

 

He mentioned those I think because most of the mods mentioned in those guides ( But not all of them.) where the ones that I wanted to use any way. Now I am not new to modding Bethesda games, I have been doing that since the days of Morrowind. So I did not need to watch the Tools and cleaning guides, but I did watch and followed the rest of his guides. Now after I did all the things in those guides ( Which took a few hours ... I am not kidding here. :wacko: ) I installed a few other mods, and I ended up with this load list ( LooT was used extensively ... just incase some one thinks I did not use it. ) ...

 

Active Mod Files:

00  Fallout3.esm
01  Anchorage.esm
02  ThePitt.esm
03  BrokenSteel.esm
04  PointLookout.esm
05  Zeta.esm
06  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm  [Version 2.2]
07  CALIBR.esm  [Version 1.4]
08  CRAFT.esm
09  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
0A  Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
0B  Project Beauty.esm
0C  RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
0D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
0E  aHUD.esm
0F  iHUD.esm
10  DarNifiedUIF3.esp
11  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
12  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Halftime.esp
13  Flashlight-LOS.esp
14  Blackened FWE + MMM + Project Beauty.esp  [Version 3.3]
15  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
16  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
17  WeaponModKits.esp
18  RH_WMK_Bridge.esp
19  WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
1A  CALIBRv14 Ammunition Schematics for FWE-WMK-CRAFT-V1_3-18639.esp
1B  PureWater-LittleRad-.esp
1C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
1D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
1E  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
1F  UUF3P - FWE Patch.esp
20  LevelersChamber.esp
21  WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
22  WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
23  WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
24  WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
25  WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
26  MME Relentless Warrior Perk.esp
27  CASM.esp
28  F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp
29  GreenWorld.esp
2A  Cheatboy.esp
2B  Start Almost Perfect.esp
2C  FO3 Merged Patch.esp

And this screenshot shows the Priority list in MO:

http://imgur.com/2hzTJBX

Now I hat no trouble going through Vault 101 ... until I reached the exit ... where I crashed. That on itself is "normal" with many Beth games, so I restarted FO3 through MO and then got out of Vault 101 ... oh goody I can finally play FO3 ... or so I thought!? Every time I get to here ...

http://imgur.com/aHXZZQu

then I can perhaps walk a bit further, but then when getting closer to Megaton and/or close to that little ruined village close to Megaton, then the game crashes? So I then tried to continue by going right / left on that screenshot, but the crash happens then as well? Also a few times when I did meet a creature in that small area I could walk with no problems ... things really started to stutter when using VATS? And I have Fallout Stutter Remover installed. NVAC would freeze the game for me when the main menu was loading, despite the fact I installed it like Dirty Weasel showed.

I have lost so many hours yesterday( And the rest of the week.) by trying to finally get to play and enjoy this game, so these problems with FO3 right now are totally making me go nuts! What freaking more can I do about this!? :wallbash:

[M48A5]

That you made it through Vault 101 is surprising with the load disorder you have. Never, ever, use LOOT to sort Fallout 3 mods. LOOT does not place the plugins correctly.

 

Just check some of the larger mods, such as FWE, and you will find load order templates that don't even come close to what LOOT does to your load order.

 

You should be using B.O.S.S. to sort your load list. http://boss-developers.github.io/

[Illius]

That you made it through Vault 101 is surprising with the load disorder you have. Never, ever, use LOOT to sort Fallout 3 mods. LOOT does not place the plugins correctly.

 

Just check some of the larger mods, such as FWE, and you will find load order templates that don't even come close to what LOOT does to your load order.

 

You should be using B.O.S.S. to sort your load list. http://boss-developers.github.io/

 

Damn are you telling me that LooTs older brother does a better job for FO3? If so then I guess I will start over in a Day or so. Hopefully I will have less problems afterwards, thanks for the link. :smile:

 

EDIT: But on the webpage for BOSS this is mentioned.

Using mods for Skyrim, Fallout 3 or Fallout: New Vegas? Use LOOT instead, as BOSS's support for those games is relatively poor and no longer maintained. Oblivion users can also use LOOT, but may find that BOSS performs better, depending on the mods they use.

 

 

Is BOSS really better for FO3 when using the mods I have installed?

Edited December 31, 2016 by Illius

[M48A5]

B.O.S.S. is better for Fallout3.

 

Hypothetically, I made a new sorting system. I based the system on Skyrim. I want a lot of people to use my sorting system. Would I tell anyone that another sorting system was better than my new one? Of course not.

 

LOOT does not sort Fallout 3 mods correctly. Just look through some of the troubleshooting posts.

 

So the support of B.O.S.S. is poor. Fallout 3 is an old game. Granted, BOSS will not sort the newer mods correctly, but there are not that many and a little common sense will be needed to place them correctly.

 

I got a stable load order with BOSS, made a printout of it and I have not changed it for years.

Edited December 31, 2016 by M48A5

[Illius]

B.O.S.S. is better for Fallout3.

 

Hypothetically, I made a new sorting system. I based the system on Skyrim. I want a lot of people to use my sorting system. Would I tell anyone that another sorting system was better than my new one? Of course not.

 

LOOT does not sort Fallout 3 mods correctly. Just look through some of the troubleshooting posts.

 

So the support of B.O.S.S. is poor. Fallout 3 is an old game. Granted, BOSS will not sort the newer mods correctly, but there are not that many and a little common sense will be needed to place them correctly.

 

I got a stable load order with BOSS, made a printout of it and I have not changed it for years.

 

Okay thank you again, I downloaded the Boss installer and will give it a try when I have more time. :)

[Illius]

While that was a short try ... Boss does not support 64 bit Binaries, at least that is the warning I get in MO when I tried to start Boss? :sad:

 

So since it appears that I can not use Boss instead of Loot in Mod Organizer, does any one have suggestion for a load order for the mods I use? ( Active Mod list is in my opening post. ) Or any thing that might help me finally play FO3 without crashing so fast?

 

By the way this is my system .... ( Guess I should have posted this in my opening post. )

 

 

 

Windows 8.1 64bit

Acer Predator Intel Core i5 4460 @ 3.20GHz

8.00GB DDR3L Memory

AMD Radeon R9 255 Graphics card

127GB SSD

1TB HDD

 

 

 

I have done the things mentioned here. ( Duh other wise I would not have been able to start the game. )

 

http://steamcommunity.com/app/22370/discussions/0/864956555011164413/

 

I have used the Latest LAA to make the game use up to 4GB.

[M48A5]

Don't try to use BOSS in MO. It is not a mod, but a tool to sort your load order.

 

You would just run the BOSS v2.1.1 Installer.exe.

 

Once you have it installed, just start it using the icon you placed on your desktop. It is a run once and done. The only other time you would need to use it would be when you install another mod.

 

There is a load order template toward the bottom of the FWE description page you can use as a guideline.

 

Remember, compatibility patches must load after the last mod that is being patched.

 

In your LOOT generated load list you will see that Blackened is not correct. None of the FWE plugins are in the correct order, among other wrongly placed plugins.

[Illius]

Don't try to use BOSS in MO. It is not a mod, but a tool to sort your load order.

 

You would just run the BOSS v2.1.1 Installer.exe.

 

Once you have it installed, just start it using the icon you placed on your desktop. It is a run once and done. The only other time you would need to use it would be when you install another mod.

 

There is a load order template toward the bottom of the FWE description page you can use as a guideline.

 

Remember, compatibility patches must load after the last mod that is being patched.

 

In your LOOT generated load list you will see that Blackened is not correct. None of the FWE plugins are in the correct order, among other wrongly placed plugins.

 

Well if you are aware of a method for Boss to recognise mods installed for FO3 from inside MO ... while not using MO then please tell me? Because according to this information ...

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Mod_Organizer#Third_Party_Programs ( go to "10 Third Party Programs" if it does not show up. )

 

Boss needs to be started from inside MO in order to recognise mods installed from inside MO. ( And that appears to be impossible for me since I have Windows 8.1 )

[M48A5]

Sorry for the misinformtion, I don't use MO, too complicated.

 

If you were to check the FWE description page, you would find a suggested load order.

Edited January 1, 2017 by M48A5

[Purr4me]

 

Don't try to use BOSS in MO. It is not a mod, but a tool to sort your load order.

 

You would just run the BOSS v2.1.1 Installer.exe.

 

Once you have it installed, just start it using the icon you placed on your desktop. It is a run once and done. The only other time you would need to use it would be when you install another mod.

 

There is a load order template toward the bottom of the FWE description page you can use as a guideline.

 

Remember, compatibility patches must load after the last mod that is being patched.

 

In your LOOT generated load list you will see that Blackened is not correct. None of the FWE plugins are in the correct order, among other wrongly placed plugins.

 

Well if you are aware of a method for Boss to recognise mods installed for FO3 from inside MO ... while not using MO then please tell me? Because according to this information ...

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Mod_Organizer#Third_Party_Programs ( go to "10 Third Party Programs" if it does not show up. )

 

Boss needs to be started from inside MO in order to recognise mods installed from inside MO. ( And that appears to be impossible for me since I have Windows 8.1 )

 

May I ask a question here?

 

what version of Mo are you running for this game to begin with?

 

Nothing is impossible if done correctly.