Where's the CK?

[DeadricDamodred]

I know I'm getting a little impatient by now. The first thing I change on these games is the stupid way they do vampires in the game. I'm an Anne Rice and Vampire The Masqurade guy. The way they do vampires in the game makes no sense whatsoever: you feed, you lose powers, but the longer you go without blood, you gain powers. That's backwards. So I change it up so that the more fed you are, the stronger you are, and the less fed you are, the weaker you are. That and I yank all their vampire powers and replace them with things similar to Vampire The Masqurade type of powers and things more befitting. So I'm starting to get really impatient to do my personal tweeks. I've put about 130 hours into the game, but I'm playing it less and less now because vanilla skyrim is just starting to get on my nerves.

[StanIsTheLaw]

Without the ck soon, i think Skyrim will fade very quickly. Playing my first vanilla and its been pretty simple. Not many side plots, mostly places just full of bad guys, I am only lvl 15 and I am past the dragon on throat of the world. Very annoyed at the very poor documentation in the manual, pathetic really. Has to be the worst yet for me.

 

There is also a big imbalance in power. Dragons are easier to kill than trolls, giants and mammoths. Havnt killed any giants or trolls yet, and the 2 mammoths took 40-50 arrows each. Dragons by compariosn, 10 arrows, some flame, a voice and a few hits with a poisoned mace and their dead. I shot a giant with 60 arrows once and they did not die, they keep regenerating faster than i can damage them with arrows. Pretty stupid actually.

[gretzky99]

WHERE'S THE CK...that question has been on the mind of humans for the last 2 million years...

[rabidNode]

the CK is not going to be out until they have steam workshop set and all the legal aspects figured out. I am fairly certain it was ready with the game launch.

I am hoping it doesnt come out for another month or even more so skyedit can have everything working and we don't have to use steam or even be bothered by the workshop.

since the inception of ck releases with beth games it has always been out at launch because it was always ready even before the polished game since it is just tools not gameplay and its being held back by steam workshop crap.

its likely with the next incarnation of a TES game or the next we will lease the ck from a system like steam and they will own rights to the mods.

 

I would rather just see the sdk leaked for the ck so skyedit can do what needs to be done faster.

 

also what has been done with scripting and beta tools similar to the ck is amazing. we do not need the official ck as there are numerous improvements already without it.

4987 MODs on nexus currently without the CK so meh...

Edited January 16, 2012 by rabidNode

[James009]

I have to agree with StanIsTheLaw, if they don't release the CK soon Skyrim will start to suffer. I myself have already taken an almost month long break from Skyrim in anticipation for the Creation Kit because I know I'll enjoy Skyrim more when it's released.

 

If it's continually delayed then, like RabidNode said, someone should do the right thing and leak it. However, I'll have to look into Skyedit thing...

[sajuukkhar9000]

If it's continually delayed then, like RabidNode said, someone should do the right thing and leak it. However, I'll have to look into Skyedit thing...

 

Good thing it has yet to be delayed once.

Edited January 16, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000

[Matth85]

I have to agree with StanIsTheLaw, if they don't release the CK soon Skyrim will start to suffer. I myself have already taken an almost month long break from Skyrim in anticipation for the Creation Kit because I know I'll enjoy Skyrim more when it's released.

It's a single player game. You are suppose to get bored. It's also a game, not a life. So taking a "month break" is a weird thing to say. You play because you find it fun. You paid for it, and it will still sit on Steam for the next 20 years.

 

If it's continually delayed then, like RabidNode said, someone should do the right thing and leak it. However, I'll have to look into Skyedit thing...

It never got delayed. WHere did you get that from? They named a month, which we are in. They did not state when in the month.

 

That said, you guys are so damn spoiled. Bethesda doesn't even have to release a toolkit, they never had to. Now people demand it? You paid for the game, nothing else. From the multi million cost game, you paid almost nothing for over 100 houres of gameplay. You then complain a toolkit is late? Be happy you get one.

Edited January 16, 2012 by Matth85

[jesusismyairbag]

It's a single player game. You are suppose to get bored. It's also a game, not a life. So taking a "month break" is a weird thing to say. You play because you find it fun. You paid for it, and it will still sit on Steam for the next 20 years.

 

yes. people, it is just a video game, please dont forget that there is a big world out there in real life, and not just skyrim.

[Maigrets]

It's a single player game. You are suppose to get bored. It's also a game, not a life. So taking a "month break" is a weird thing to say. You play because you find it fun. You paid for it, and it will still sit on Steam for the next 20 years.

 

yes. people, it is just a video game, please dont forget that there is a big world out there in real life, and not just skyrim.

 

You know you people who keep reminding us about the big wide world that exists outside of our computer screens need to take another look at this forum and what this thread in particular is about. I think we are all aware of real life and it's wonders and in some cases horrors outside our front doors, however we are talking about a game and it's editor here.

 

If you have nothing to contribute other than rant because modders are waiting for and speculating about the CK, which we have been led to expect will be released soon, why are you even commenting? Yes, it's a single player game but with the potential to be much, much more than it is, and we would like to be able to talk about that, not to mention what's happening with Steamworks without these kind of troll comments.

 

We're waiting for the editor to fix many issues with the game. Top of my list is removing level scaling, weapon, armour and NPC enemy balancing, quest fixes and many other things that I would bet Bethesda don't bother to address. The most likely scenario is they will fix the most glaring things that may break people's games and the rest will either be abandoned as with Oblivion, or left up to modders to fix. I am however prepared to be surprised and find they make some much needed changes, especially considering the bad press about the game's faults, but I'm doubtful.

 

For one thing if we hadn't had an editor for Oblivion that game would have faded from most people's memory years ago. The very fact that Bethesda's games can so easily be modded is a huge thing. Many people use their modding experience to create amazing works from a simple but essential edit to a game mechanic to massive Total Conversions, others use the games as an expression of artistry, and others use it as an escape from the reality you are so fond of, since not everyone has such a great life. I use these games for modding purposes and for that escape from drudgery of real life because after all it is a role playing game, not some 10 or 20 hour shooter with no replay value.

 

For myself I'm hoping that some talented people can fix the balance issues and other things I mentioned and I would like to make my own edits and I know many others want to do the same.

 

I also agree with StanIsTheLaw to a large degree.

 

I have logged 197 hours in Skyrim as of last night on only one character now at level 50 with only one quest glitch, and still haven't finished the main guild quests except for the Thieves Guild, and I'm around 2/3 through the main quest. But, I can't see myself playing the same character until level 80 because as it is I can kill almost anything now and dragons are just a pushover, particularly with a certain shout from partway through the main quest. There are so many things that need attention besides bug fixes to make this game truly epic, including followers, horses, the sameness of dungeon enemies (pathetically weak skeletons), level scaling, weapon balancing, unbalanced crafting system, magic system and a lot more.

 

In the end we have no choice but to wait on Bethesda, but thankfully there are other options and eventually we may not need their editor at all. One would hope they are taking notice of the various threads here and elsewhere about the CK, but being a money making corporation I doubt it would sway their decisions. We will get what they decide to give us and that's it..

Edited January 16, 2012 by Maigrets

[ginnyfizz]

Excellent summary of how I feel about the game and the issue of the CK myself, Maigrets. Except that I currently have at least six quests that are bugged and will not complete. The notorious Visit The College Of Winterhold for example (on a toon that is actually Archmage). I feel, and I know others do, that there is no justification in holding back the CK for the Steamworks integration that is unwanted by a great number of people. Some people have no bugs, at the other extreme some people are STILL having the total PC crash issue. Many, like me, are in between - I have no CTD's but I do have broken quests.

 

Maigrets, I totally agree with your statement that Oblivion, for example, would have withered away long ago if it was not for the efforts of the modding community. As I have said elsewhere, the manager of my local GAME store has more or less said exactly that to me. He said ignore the headline figure of console sales, Bethesda get the bread and butter ongoing business from PC gamers who will pick up the game because of the modding possibilities.

 

Therefore, to those Bethesda fanboys who say we should think ourselves lucky that we get a CK at all, that ain't necessarily so, at least not the full picture. Bethesda also need to think themselves lucky that the genius of folks in the modding world bigs up their games the way it does.