Rebellion or Legion

[sajuukkhar9000]

Again, this is another apologetically naive and insulting argument to make. To refer to my scenario above, it isn't somehow acceptable for the US to have banned Mohammad, because the local Islamic government is trying not to bother enforcing it.

 

Even if people are still secretly worshipping Talos and getting away with it with a wink and a nod, the fact still remains that these people can no longer publically practise their religion. They cannot worship Talos in the open and their temples have been closed. They have been banned. Failure to understand this just reeks of a complete lack of any form of empathy or understanding. Take it out of religious context, and it's a case of homosexuality being illegal. Oh sure, we let people be gay and turn a blind eye, but regardless, every single day any homosexual has to hide away who they are and can only meet with other gay people in the freaking wilderness so they don't get caught. If you can't work out why that's just not acceptable.....well there's no point arguing. You'll watch Fox News and vote right wing every single time.

 

It wasn't in secret though High King Troyagg of Skyrim was a known and public worshiper of Talos, The Legate is also one, also I refer you to the priests of Talos in both Riften and Whiterun who continue to practice Talos worship publicly even after the Empire has won with NO repercussions.

 

 

Beyond that I don't agree with the outlaw of Talos worship, however you must understand WHY it is done. Titus Mede accepted the WGT because he had plans to attack The Thalmor later. It was either die there or take it up the arse for a couple of years only to attack The Thamor later.

 

Dieing standing up for something there was plans to get back already is silly.

Edited January 15, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000

[faifh]

Beyond that I don't agree with the outlaw of Talos worship, however you must understand WHY it is done. Titus Mede accepted the WGT because he had plans to attack The Thalmor later. It was either die there or take it up the arse for a couple of years only to attack The Thamor later.

 

Yes, but the Thalmor figured, it will instead eat up the empire form within instead of having to fight them, where Stormcloack works full within their expections. And was likely even been set up by them (without him realizing it) with the Markath incident.

[sajuukkhar9000]

Yes, but the Thalmor figured, it will instead eat up the empire form within instead of having to fight them, where Stormcloack works full within their expections. And was likely even been set up by them (without him realizing it) with the Markath incident.

 

Before Uflirc's little show it was going fine for nearly 30 years.

 

The Thalmor manipulated Ulfirc to start The Civil War BECAUSE it wasn't working.

[terzho]

Its like this

 

Stormcloaks are the Sons and Daughters of Skyrim. Its true because their cause of waging battle to Imperials is To save Nords from losing their traditions and their pure blood and doings of a Nord and reclaiming Skyrim only for the Nords to rule over. Problem is their government is Barbaric, of course because they are Nords. Their is something more in order on Imperials than Stormcloaks

 

 

This is another argument that is commonly made without proper thinking. " The Stormcloaks are racist!" or " The Stormcloaks are barbaric". How? Okay I agree that a few nords insult other races but that's it. They never go beyond the occasional insult. No prision camps, no genocides not even hate crimes. Any race can join the Stormcloaks if they prove themselves worthy by doing the test to kill the ice wraith whether they be Nord or any other race ( shown by the player character). Also so what if they are slightly racist. Are the other races any better? The poor Dark elves who the Nords insult? They used to be much worse then the nords (which can be seen in Morrowind), they enslaved the Argonians to work for them in toxic conditions. The Imperials? They forced their "Superior" culture on all the other species of the continent.

[faifh]

This is another argument that is commonly made without proper thinking. " The Stormcloaks are racist!" or " The Stormcloaks are barbaric". How? Okay I agree that a few nords insult other races but that's it. They never go beyond the occasional insult. No prision camps, no genocides not even hate crimes. Any race can join the Stormcloaks if they prove themselves worthy by doing the test to kill the ice wraith whether they be Nord or any other race ( shown by the player character). Also so what if they are slightly racist. Are the other races any better? The poor Dark elves who the Nords insult? They used to be much worse then the nords (which can be seen in Morrowind), they enslaved the Argonians to work for them in toxic conditions. The Imperials? They forced their "Superior" culture on all the other species of the continent.

 

Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right.

[terzho]

Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

That argument only works if the Stormcloaks themselves are doing anything wrong. If you read my post you would know that apart from WORDS they aren't actually racist or barbaric. They don't discriminate in their army, you can be a dark elf and get a whole bunch of titles and respect if you fight well. The Imperials on the other hand will execute you for being in the same place as the enemy even if your name isn't on their execution list.

[sajuukkhar9000]

That argument only works if the Stormcloaks themselves are doing anything wrong. If you read my post you would know that apart from WORDS they aren't actually racist or barbaric. They don't discriminate in their army, you can be a dark elf and get a whole bunch of titles and respect if you fight well. The Imperials on the other hand will execute you for being in the same place as the enemy even if your name isn't on their execution list.

 

Your name isn't on the list but you were caught crossing the border and thrown into the cart since it was passing by already.

[FordPerfect]

Its like this

 

Stormcloaks are the Sons and Daughters of Skyrim. Its true because their cause of waging battle to Imperials is To save Nords from losing their traditions and their pure blood and doings of a Nord and reclaiming Skyrim only for the Nords to rule over. Problem is their government is Barbaric, of course because they are Nords. Their is something more in order on Imperials than Stormcloaks

 

Problem is they aren't the Sons and Daughters of Skyrim anymore than anyone else. The Forsworn were there before them and so too were the Orcs apparently. The Dwemer are gone, but they were there before the Nords. Skyrim was a refined Falmer kingdom before the Nords invaded.

Ulfric goes on about the 'true sons and daughters of Skyrim' and their right to govern themselves - a high irony after you learn that he slaughtered the Forsworn upon his return with his legion buddies for rebelling against the Nords and setting up a government to rule themselves. :rolleyes:

 

[faifh]

Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

That argument only works if the Stormcloaks themselves are doing anything wrong. If you read my post you would know that apart from WORDS they aren't actually racist or barbaric. They don't discriminate in their army, you can be a dark elf and get a whole bunch of titles and respect if you fight well. The Imperials on the other hand will execute you for being in the same place as the enemy even if your name isn't on their execution list.

 

People denying racism going on, because they close they are ears and eyes "its all just words, never seen it first hand", blah, since it happens another place are a fundamental part of the racism-problems. I have to sit on my hands to not draw any real-life parallels.

 

And talos was warshipped in the whole empire, not just Skyrim. The Stormcloaks beside they oh-so-brave-and-strong-show are actually just little cry-babies that go all whiny over having to warship talos a little behind closed doors instead, while everyone else (including many true sons of doughters of Skyrim Nords within the Legion!) seems to be able to turn their brains a little more on, to see that much more is at stake.

Edited January 15, 2012 by faifh

[sajuukkhar9000]

Problem is they aren't the Sons and Daughters of Skyrim anymore than anyone else. The Forsworn were there before them and so too were the Orcs apparently. The Dwemer are gone, but they were there before the Nords. Skyrim was a refined Falmer kingdom before the Nords invaded.

Ulfric goes on about the 'true sons and daughters of Skyrim' and their right to govern themselves - a high irony after you learn that he slaughtered the Forsworn upon his return with his legion buddies for rebelling against the Nords and setting up a government to rule themselves. :rolleyes:

 

 

Actually the Nords were first. Mankind, except the Redguards, was created on top of The Throat of the World by Kyne, the proto-nords left for Atmora while some stayed and moved south to Cyrodill becoming the nedes and other smaller ethnic groups.

 

Skyrim is the land of all humans as they were the first people there.

Edited January 15, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000