ILS exterior cells unless alt-tab

[BoSoxBry]

Hey guys, so about 50% of the time I load an exterior cell, I seem to get an ILS unless I alt-tab out and back into the game, which forces it to load almost immediately after. I have packed all the larger loose texture mods into BA2s and am running the game on an SSD. I can post a load order if needed. If anyone has any ideas on what could be causing this or suggestions on fixes, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

2x GTX 980 4GB SLI

4K resolution

24 GB DDR3

SSD/Win 10

[JimmyRJump]

It's not an infinite loop, but RAM use that freezes and the loading stops while the music and the load screen's animation continue. It's mostly caused by either bad RAM allocation and/or some mod conflicts (like settlement mods that have been named wrongly and show up as Commonwealth in the PipBoy's Data/WorkShops tab). The latter causes the game to sometimes "forget" where some of the locations are because the names lists get all wonky and the loading stops while the game is off for some quality time in the Bahama's...

[BoSoxBry]

Hmm, I tried running the game via script extender without any mods and it SEEMS to have negated this issue. Here is my load order, notice anything untoward?

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
HUDFramework.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
Arbitration - Resources.esm
Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp
DeadBodyCollision.esp
ImmersiveGenericDialogues.esp
Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
RichMerchants.esp
Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
Quieter Settlements - Recommended Settings.esp
BrighterSettlementLights_LessHarsh.esp
SkipHSH1_6.esp
EasyHacking.esp
Companion Infinite Ammo.esp
Docile Radstags.esp
NoAffinityCooldown.esp
MinigunDamage.esp
PAMAP.esp
Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp
Quick Save.esp
QuickExitToStand.esp
QuickEnterFromStand.esp
OVT.esp
FAR.esp
Vivid Fallout Landscapes.esp
Vivid Fallout Trees.esp
Vivid Fallout Rocks.esp
Vivid Fallout Roads.esp
Langleys HD Texture Workshop.esp
Valius High Res.esp
FlaconOil HD ReTexture_Quality Pack_Part_1a.esp
FlaconOil HD ReTexture_Quality Pack_Part_1b.esp
4K Power Armor.esp
FTO Power Armor.esp
Wasteland Creatures Redone.esp
Prydwen 2K.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Autumn.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
Vivid Weathers - Natural Bright.esp
Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp
Vivid Waters.esp
DarkerNights.esp
DarkerNightsDetection.esp
BetterNightVision.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
BetterSettlersFarHarborPatch.esp
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetter+DEF_INV.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
PowerArmorHUD.esp
ColorfulSurvivalIcons.esp
No more monochrome - Color setting for the Pipboy!.esp
BetterModDescriptions.esp
BetterModDescriptionsAE.esp
BetterModDescriptionsCAS.esp
CBBE.esp
THBrows.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
MMP4APA.esp
MMP4APA-blue.esp
Crafting Workbench.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
RadiantBirdsv05.esp
BetterCompanions.esp
LovingCait.esp
LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp
LovingPiper.esp
EveryonesBestFriend.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
My_Minutemen.esp
EAMR.esp
chem redux.esp
VIS-PatchChemReduxWeightless.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp

 

 

Also, when I load from the main screen, 100% of the time the exterior cell will load... this issue only occurs when directly in game. Thanks very much for your time and assistance!

[Zzyxzz]

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10283/?

 

This could also help you and fix the issue. I also suffer from the same issue as you

It's a Fallout 4 bug, the loading screen issue. Introduced by the newest patch 1.8

 

 

Edit:

The mod above didnt fix my issue.

Are you running Fallout 4 on a SSD?

 

Edit:

Oh yes... you do...

Pretty interessting... i got the very same problem... Alt+Tab fixes it otherwise i get stuck in a more or less ILS...

 

Do you use Mod Organizer 2?

 

Have you tested to run the game without mods? Completely vanilla. Without Textures etc.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Zzyxzz

[Zzyxzz]

A fix has been found to rule 'em all!

 

Edit yout Fallout4.ini / Custom.ini and add under

[General]

bPreemptivelyUnloadCells=1

 

This will unload all unnecessary cells and will speed up loading by a huge amount. (My loadscreens went from 2 minutes down to 15-20 seconds.)

 

 

Another fix, if you dont want to use this tweak:

1. Open console

2. Type: pcb

3. hit Enter

 

This will also unload all inactive cells and increase loading speed. This command has to be issued before loadscreens to take effect.

[JimmyRJump]

Tried Zzyxzz's "solutions" just for fun and it doesn't do anything. On the contrary, in my case it lengthened load times and made the loading of different cells hang more often than before I had altered my ini files...

[Zzyxzz]

Well it also depends on your system. I also now found out, that Nvidia is the culprit. All drivers above version 373.06(at least for me and some other people) cause massive loading screens. The fix, only works if you have issues with that. BoSoxBry always suffers from the same issue and the fix also worked for him. My loading screens went after the Nvidia update from 20 seconds to 2-5 Minutes, but only for "black loading screens"(mostly when exiting buildings) all other loading screens were around 7 seconds.

[BoSoxBry]

Just wanted to post an update about this issue. I haven't been able to reproduce the ILS in Fallout 4 on an unmodded game with only script extender and an ENB active. So I'm guessing it has to be a mod, or perhaps just the way that Fallout 4 handles mod? I never had this issue on a heavily modded Skyrim, and I don't consider my current load order heavily modded in Fallout 4.

 

Furthermore, I have been experiencing random crashes lately with my setup, they don't seem to have any rhyme or reason as to when they happen. The curious thing is they only started happening after maybe 20-30 hours into my current playthrough.

 

Load Order:

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords.esm
HUDFramework.esm
OVT.esp
AWKCR - Color Swap Mod Slot Hider.esp
DeadBodyCollision.esp
Docile Radstags.esp
EasyHacking.esp
Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
LongerAreaRespawn.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
Quieter Settlements - Recommended Settings.esp
Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
WorkshopRearranged.esp
IMG_Castle_Wall_Patches.esp
Settlement Resources Rebalanced.esp
RichMerchants.esp
survivalcompassvanilla_noenemies.esp
SFE.esp
SkipHSH1_6.esp
SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp
No Crafting and Settlement Experience.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetter+DEF_INV.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
PowerArmorHUD.esp
FAR.esp
Vivid Fallout.esp
Haul'd Out.esp
Langleys' HD Textures Workshop.esp
Valius' High Resolution Texture Pack.esp
FlaconOil's HD Retexture Project.esp
HD Power Armor.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Autumn.esp
Vivid Weathers - Natural Bright.esp
Vivid Waters.esp
InteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.esp
DynamicInteriorFogRemoval.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
DIFR - VIS Patch.esp
BrighterSettlementLights_LessHarsh.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
QuickEnterFromStand.esp
QuickExitToStand.esp
Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp
RadiantBirdsv05.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
BetterSettlersFarHarborPatch.esp
BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
Charles River Cell Correction.esp
CombatZoneRestored.esp
FaceMaxson.esp
ImmersiveGenericDialogues.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
MinigunDamage.esp
console.esp
Quick Save.esp
CleanSoup.esp
CBBE.esp
THBrows.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
BetterCompanions.esp
EveryonesBestFriend.esp
NoAffinityCooldown.esp
NoNegativeAffinity.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
Campsite.esp
Campsite-AWKCR.esp
Campsite-Full-Sleep.esp
MMP4APA.esp
MMP4APA-blue.esp
PAMAP.esp
Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
SuperMutantOverhaul.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting - Super Mutant Redux.esp
Synth Overhaul.esp
Professional Ammo Crafting.esp
Crafting Workbench.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Removed Crafting Experience.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
FO4 NPCs Travel - DLCCoast.esp
D.E.C.A.Y.esp
My_Minutemen.esp
RaiderOverhaul.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS - AE.esp
LovingCait.esp
LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp
LovingPiper.esp

 

 

Can anyone pick out any possible culprits or incompatibilities? I was fairly selective (I thought) in choosing my mods.

 

Finally, I am playing on Survival mode. Could the inability to hard save be contributing to crashes?

Edited March 3, 2017 by BoSoxBry

[BoSoxBry]

Ok, finally solved this. It had something to do with the achievements.dll from the Achievements mod. Apparently it wasn't playing nice with MO2 or the latest version of Fallout, but after de-activating it I no longer get ILS's. Hopefully this helps someone in the future.

 

EDIT : Nope. ILS started occurring again. Super frustrating issue.

Edited March 5, 2017 by BoSoxBry

[JimmyRJump]

Like I said before, the error is in the game itself. Because of sloppy optimalisation and bad RAM allocation the RAM sometimes hangs/freezes and the game stops loading while the load screen animation and music continue...