Riften FPS drops caused by number of ESP files loaded?

[Deleted631007User]

So I've been fiddling around in Riften, trying to get rid of my FPS drop by disabling mods. Nothing specifically seems to be doing the trick but having less than a hundred or so ESP files seems to be lowering the issue... I think.

 

Does anyone else have this issue being caused by that or is it just me?

[LeddBate]

We need more info before we can even speculate. Please list your rig's stats and your load order and we'll see if something jumps out at us.

[Deleted631007User]

My full specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Primary Drive: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Secondary Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 64-bit

 

Yeah I honestly feel a little dumb about some of my choices when I built this thing, but it is what it is.

 

Load Order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Campfire.esm
7 7 RSkyrimChildren.esm
8 8 Gray Fox Cowl.esm
9 9 ApachiiHair.esm
10 a ApachiiHairFemales.esm
11 b ApachiiHairMales.esm
12 c Cutting Room Floor.esp
13 d SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
14 e iNeed.esp
15 f iNeed - Extended.esp
16 10 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
17 11 3DNPC.esp
18 12 BloodedHeavyArmor_by_GuitunScarfin.esp
19 13 True Eyes SE desaturated.esp
20 14 NB-Scars.esp
21 15 Beards.esp
22 16 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
23 17 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
24 18 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
25 19 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
26 1a sandboxcylinderheight.esp
27 1b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
28 1c Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
29 1d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
30 1e Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
31 1f Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
32 20 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
33 21 Helgen Reborn.esp
34 22 Eli_Breezehome.esp
35 23 Undeath.esp
36 24 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
37 25 Unique Uniques.esp
38 26 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
39 27 skyBirds_SSE.esp
40 28 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
41 29 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
42 2a SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
43 2b Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
44 2c Point The Way.esp
45 2d Inigo.esp
46 2e KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp
47 2f Race Scale Remover.esp
48 30 Immersive Patrols II.esp
49 31 Tentapalooza.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
50 32 Better Claws And Gauntlets.esp
51 33 Skyshards.esp
52 34 SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
53 35 Frostfall.esp
54 36 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
55 37 Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
56 38 Dr_Bandolier.esp
57 39 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
58 3a RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
59 3b nordicsnow.esp
60 3c RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
61 3d MannequinStayPut.esp
62 3e FurSet by keung.esp
63 3f Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
64 40 Better Claws And Gauntlets - Immersive Armors.esp
65 41 Eli_Routa - Non-Stormcloak.esp
66 42 RSChildren - Complete.esp
67 43 RSChildren_PlayableOverride.esp
68 44 RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp
69 45 MoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.esp
70 46 WheelsOfLull.esp
71 47 notice board.esp
72 48 ForgottenCity.esp
73 49 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
74 4a PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
75 4b moonpath.esp
76 4c NedhegothTheButcher.esp
77 4d AshlandAmulets.esp
78 4e RainRepel.esp
79 4f Hedge Mage Armor.esp
80 50 Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
81 51 PrvtIRings.esp
82 52 Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
83 53 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
84 54 ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
85 55 SSE High Quality Music.esp
86 56 dD-Medium Script Range.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
Differently Ebony.esp
87 57 RMmerged.esp
88 58 MLU - Inigo.esp
89 59 Artifacts Morrowloot Balancer.esp
90 5a Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
91 5b Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
92 5c Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp
93 5d Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Weathers.esp
94 5e TrueStormsSE.esp
95 5f Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
96 60 MLU.esp
97 61 MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
98 62 MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
99 63 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
100 64 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

 

Idunno. I tried starting by only activating what I thought to be the most likely culprits:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Campfire.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
7 7 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
8 8 iNeed.esp
9 9 iNeed - Extended.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
10 a 3DNPC.esp
BloodedHeavyArmor_by_GuitunScarfin.esp
True Eyes SE desaturated.esp
NB-Scars.esp
Beards.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
11 b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
12 c Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
13 d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
14 e Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
15 f Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
Eli_Breezehome.esp
Undeath.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
16 10 skyBirds_SSE.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
17 11 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
18 12 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Point The Way.esp
Inigo.esp
KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp
Race Scale Remover.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Tentapalooza.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
Better Claws And Gauntlets.esp
Skyshards.esp
19 13 SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
20 14 Frostfall.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
21 15 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
22 16 RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
23 17 nordicsnow.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
MannequinStayPut.esp
FurSet by keung.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Better Claws And Gauntlets - Immersive Armors.esp
Eli_Routa - Non-Stormcloak.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PlayableOverride.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp
MoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp
notice board.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
moonpath.esp
NedhegothTheButcher.esp
AshlandAmulets.esp
RainRepel.esp
Hedge Mage Armor.esp
Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
PrvtIRings.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
24 18 SSE High Quality Music.esp
dD-Medium Script Range.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
Differently Ebony.esp
RMmerged.esp
MLU - Inigo.esp
Artifacts Morrowloot Balancer.esp
25 19 Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
26 1a Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
27 1b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp
28 1c Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Weathers.esp
29 1d TrueStormsSE.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
MLU.esp
MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
30 1e Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

 

No FPS drops with this.

Edited February 4, 2017 by Guest

[Deleted631007User]

Well, I did remove ELFX and vivid weathers, which seemed to be making things worse (I originally used ELFX tweaked in SSEEdit with RLO and Vivid weathers for a specific balance) so they're out.

 

Still, it kinda drops and stutters when I go over a certain number of mods. Can't say which one it is because it seems a teeny bit inconsistent, but it certainly feels like it's just based on the numbers. Can't get my plugin count under 85 though so screw it. I'll live with a performance mess of Riften over having to live without my mods.

[LeddBate]

RLO and ELFX never played nice with each other in my load order, but that might just be an issue for me. I'm afraid nothing else is leaping out at me. Uhm, you ARE testing with a new game, right?

 

You've LOOTed and cleaned with TES5Edit, yes?

[Deleted631007User]

I always LOOT my load order, I don't clean though. Wouldn't know where to even start with cleaning.

 

EDIT:

I'd like to note that sometimes entering a building and exiting back into the town fixes this for some reason.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Guest

[LeddBate]

TES5Edit is a mod that does the "cleaning" of mods for you. It works pretty simple. Many mods (especially ones that don't get updated often) benefit from being cleaned of their "dirty" edits. Read the TES5Edit's description and give it a try.

 

One word of warning; Some mods have deliberate "dirty" edits in them. Cleaning them will sometimes break the mod. But any mod with intentional dirty edits should mention that fact, so you can simply skip them with TES5Edit.

 

Now the fact that you can sometimes clear things up by entering and exiting a building makes me wonder if you're having issues with scripts, especially orphan scripts, firing up and bogging down your game. Have you removed (as opposed to merely disabled) any mods prior to your issues?

[Deleted631007User]

Nah man, my test games were all on a new save. I suppose I can try cleaning but the mods I first figured would have unintentional dirty edits (some old mods I ported myself) didn't have any. I'll give it a swing one of these days but nothing is really jumping out at me as needing cleaning.

[Kevin843]

I have the same problem, its not just you, fps seems to get better the less mods you use

[zecanadian]

I'm having the same exact issue, right down to the 85 plugins. I originally had 130+ plugins, and it took hours of testing on fresh saves to find out I can only have around 80 plugins before experiencing a performance loss. I love Riften, but I like my performance more. It's frustrating having to remove half my plugins.