nexus hate?

[Jaguarnaut]

In addition to his last line, sometimes I wish those companies would really start sueing the individual downloader for his single act of piracy.

 

Is this a trolling attempt to provoke ? Otherwise,maybe when you or your family get sued because somebody hacked into their wi-fi and downloaded the latest hollywood crapola, you might reconsider.

 

I rest my case.

 

Even without the above, I cannot respond to name calling by Admin, so will now leave this conversation.

 

I only posted here because of the title of the thread, the "but..." at the end... I like Nexus BUT....

 

... I don't want to get banned over something I really don't feel as strongly about as some of you guys.

Edited January 22, 2012 by Jaguarnaut

[bben46]

We really don't like to ban.

 

Most bannings could have been prevented by just reading the rules. Our rules are not the same as Somthingawful or other sites. And unlike some other sites we do enforce them. The rules here have evolved to fit the site. There is a reason for every rule. If you don't know the reason, please feel free to ask me or another staff member in a PM. We will TELL you the reason for the rule, however we will not debate the reason. As we have learned through experience it is not a good idea to allow debate over the rules. :whistling:

[DrakeTheDragon]

In addition to his last line, sometimes I wish those companies would really start sueing the individual downloader for his single act of piracy.

 

Is this a trolling attempt to provoke ? Otherwise,maybe when you or your family get sued because somebody hacked into their wi-fi and downloaded the latest hollywood crapola, you might reconsider.

 

Actually no. It was Dark0ne's last line, not your's. And no, I won't reconsider either, even if it's me or my family hit by a law enforcement mistake. Those rare cases when it might go wrong should not stop us enforcing it at all. No, sir.

If it's only punishment which makes people realise their wrongdoing, then we need more of it, so other people learn from it by example and be warned for the future not to do the same in the same erroneous belief. That's my point.

[Jaguarnaut]

One last thing before I abandon this thread...

It's not about "looking cool", it's about "neccessity" swinging the banhammer.

 

 

By "cool' I meant "mature and cool headed".

 

Without those policies and their harsh enforcement around here the site would be no different than somethingawful.com or what they're called, not a very nice place to hang around at.

 

I completely disagree with the above statement- ultimately it reflects on our views on social management and politics, and people can and do get very personally upset and confrontational over such issues.

And no, I won't reconsider either, even if it's me or my family hit by a law enforcement mistake. Those rare cases when it might go wrong should not stop us enforcing it at all. No, sir.

If it's only punishment which makes people realise their wrongdoing, then we need more of it, so other people learn from it by example and be warned for the future not to do the same in the same erroneous belief. That's my point.

 

To me, Sir, that is pretty much the mentality of fascism. (with apologies to the moderators)

I don't think you believe what you’re saying, i think you're being intentionally provocative. People who would put the Rule of Law, no matter how absurd, over their own families are no people i want to have anything to do with.

 

 

I am also a member of another Skyrim forum where the moderation is a lot looser, and there are no trolling or flaming retards to be seen. Have not noticed any bans or reasons ro ban. It's a nicer community vibe, because don't have to constantly censor ourselves to avoid insta-ban. We are adults. The content of discussion there is just as civilised as here. Profane words are automatically censored. Skyrim is rated 15, right?

 

All the best for your site, sorry i cannot participate in this communuty as much as I'd like to, because I disagree with your policies.

 

If this site attracts hordes of retards and trolls for some reason, have you ever wondered why?

Edited January 22, 2012 by Jaguarnaut

[Dark0ne]

If this site attracts hordes of retards and trolls for some reason, have you ever wondered why?

 

Because we get 8,000 - 10,000 new members a day, and statistically if only 1% of those people are trolls/idiots, that's 80 - 100 new trolls/idiots a day, which is probably more than the total number of people who sign up to your other skyrim forum each day?

[DrakeTheDragon]

And no, I won't reconsider either, even if it's me or my family hit by a law enforcement mistake. Those rare cases when it might go wrong should not stop us enforcing it at all. No, sir.

If it's only punishment which makes people realise their wrongdoing, then we need more of it, so other people learn from it by example and be warned for the future not to do the same in the same erroneous belief. That's my point.

 

To me, Sir, that is pretty much the mentality of fascism. (with apologies to the moderators)

I don't think you believe what you’re saying, i think you're being intentionally provocative. People who would put the Rule of Law, no matter how absurd, over their own families are no people i want to have anything to do with.

 

I didn't want to continue with this, but me basically being compared to a fascist now I think I have little other choice.

 

You can call me a fascist "by inheritance", as I am a German, but not for me agreeing with piracy being a crime.

 

I apologize for the "no, sir" part of my last response, don't know why I did that, but I think it is you not getting what I was aiming at.

 

I don't agree with everything my government does, and I don't agree with every law we have. But I am aware of a person downloading a game instead of paying for it is causing a damage of exactly the amount of the game's price to the company he's stealing from by this.

 

And I'm actually hurt by an online comment towards me for the first time of my life! Not hurt much, mind you, but still. "Fascism", really? For me telling "sometimes I wish those companies would sue the single downloader for his act of piracy" only because this seems to be the only way for some people to realise they're actually performing a criminal act by this? I mean really, I'm a "fascist" for agreeing with the law that software piracy is a crime and software piracy is the act of downloading a single copy of software, even if it is for own personal use only, already, and for wishing people would finally realise this and stop talking bad about those who have to ban it to stay within the law?

 

Sorry, but no, sorry. That was too much. And yes, I "do" believe in what I wrote. I just think you didn't understand it correctly at all.

 

Now excuse me. I'm a diabetic and my bloodsugar is down at 45 (just measured because my hands got shaky). I'll go get something to eat now.

[ginnyfizz]

Although I agree with almost nothing of what Jaguarnaut says, actually the dude does have a point about if your computer gets used, whether by hacking or otherwise, for dodgy purposes, and then you are the one that gets busted. If pursuing individuals was the norm, I would have been in deep doodoo over something my nephew downloaded using my PC when he was a spotty and loathsome hormonal teenager a few years ago. As it was I reduced the little douche to a gibbering wreck at the time, I would probably have sent him into orbit if I had been nicked on his account.

[DrakeTheDragon]

Although I agree with almost nothing of what Jaguarnaut says, actually the dude does have a point about if your computer gets used, whether by hacking or otherwise, for dodgy purposes, and then you are the one that gets busted. If pursuing individuals was the norm, I would have been in deep doodoo over something my nephew downloaded using my PC when he was a spotty and loathsome hormonal teenager a few years ago. As it was I reduced the little douche to a gibbering wreck at the time, I would probably have sent him into orbit if I had been nicked on his account.

Of course I agree with this as well. It was just he was using what is a small exception only to invalidate the law itself.

And your post somehow even supports my case. Had this happened to you, of course you'd been in trouble, but you'd have "sent him into orbit", like you said, and he'd probably not do it ever again, one way or another.

 

Of course going the hypothetical route of "sometimes I wish they would" also includes hypothetical measures to take care these exceptions where someone gets sued in wrong, due to criminal activities by 3rd parties and things along that line, are sufficiently taken care of as well.

I was talking of "the companies punishing the ones who downloaded", not the ones the computers of which they used or anything else.

 

I also never said I'd welcome this happening in reality either, or did I? I just said, saddened by the alarmingly huge and neverending amount of people with this wrong mindset ("it's not a crime because nobody sues me"), that sometimes I wish they would, only because then people would definitely learn for sure and stop thinking that wrong way. You know they already "can" punish you even now, without any law changes or yet more stripping people of their human rights or any other such nonsense arguments brought up, and they just didn't do so, yet, out of courtesy or because it's not worth it pulling every single downloader before court for one single offense, financially. It still doesn't make it any lesser a crime, and they can always change their mind, as unlikely as it is to ever happen. Thus my hypothetic wishing sometimes.

[Jaguarnaut]

OK, I know I've already said "i'm leaving" twice, I want to wrap up in a decent manner, as I just noticed this:

 

Because we get 8,000 - 10,000 new members a day, and statistically if only 1% of those people are trolls/idiots, that's 80 - 100 new trolls/idiots a day,

 

This is actually the only fair point made, to my eyes, to explain the policy, but i insist that harsh law enforcement is not the only way, and is not the best way.... You have over 3 million members?!!!

 

Drake, I'm european and nobody I know seriously regards Germans today in a negative light, for whatever some people did 60 years ago. Fascist thought is fairly evenly distributed around the planet, and the term is actually an Italian invention. Sorry to upset you personally, I'm sure you don't actually dress in black and hunt down minorities :) .... the mentality you expressed back there is shared by a lot of people, but so is mine ... Humanity must always take priority to law.

 

Downloads of unauthorized duplicates does not equal lost sales by a long shot.

 

OK, I am leaving this now, don't ban me bro!

Edited January 22, 2012 by Jaguarnaut

[DrakeTheDragon]

Humanity must always take priority to law.

In this we agree.

 

But the laws I mentioned are not threatening humanity in any way, just people thinking it's right taking from others without paying for it.

If there was no internet, the only way for those doing what they do now would be to steal it from the market stands, or to fit even better, go there with their laptops, make "unauthorized duplicates" and put the original back into the shelf. Does the existance of the internet suddenly make this a lesser offense now? I can't draw this line no matter how hard I try, I'm sorry.

 

edit: There was a 2.5 million members competition last year, so I think that number's about accurate.

Edited January 22, 2012 by DrakeTheDragon