SSE CTD on Save After Hours of Gameplay

squireoivanhoe · April 4, 2018

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I have been having a seemingly identical issue, it happened ever since I rolled back from the new SE update. It seems to be retroactive for some reason affecting all files with SkyUI installed, which makes little sense if it's a script issue. I do, however use Warzones 2015 which is relativly script heavy, and my build relies on the ritual stone to revive large amounts of enemies to fight for me, so guess that would make sense. I tried re-updating to the newset version, and load the save both with and without SkyUI to no avail.

I'm not really sure if it's a coincidence that this happened right after rolling back from yesterday's(3rd of April 2018) update. It happened on my 97th save, approx. 120 hours of playtime. Since it seemingly only affects the saves I made after installing SkyUI, I would assume cleaning the saves of any SkyUI data would help. Problem is, I'm not really sure how one goes about doing that though. Hope it helps.

Edit:
It is worth mentioning though, my charcater recently died in apocrypha which means he respawns where he was before reading the black book(doesn't actually kill you), as I recall it from yesterday, I tried reading the book again, and my game froze, the bug happened ever since.

Edit2:
So I reinstalled SkyUI and now I got some Juicy errors:
https://imgur.com/a/oAcGX
I finally found a fix for my case(though I think this fix only works for my case, I didn't see SkyUI in your load order); I've been noticing that whenever I ran the game SkyUI was automatically disabled, so I re-installed it through NMM and just didn't touch the load order at all. Guess what, it worked. I can finally save.

Makes sense. These symptoms showed up in oldrim if you had mods that required a newer version of SKSE than the one you were running. Getting everything back up to date will probably fix it for you.

SanguinBlack · April 5, 2018

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I have been having a seemingly identical issue, it happened ever since I rolled back from the new SE update. It seems to be retroactive for some reason affecting all files with SkyUI installed, which makes little sense if it's a script issue. I do, however use Warzones 2015 which is relativly script heavy, and my build relies on the ritual stone to revive large amounts of enemies to fight for me, so guess that would make sense. I tried re-updating to the newset version, and load the save both with and without SkyUI to no avail.

I'm not really sure if it's a coincidence that this happened right after rolling back from yesterday's(3rd of April 2018) update. It happened on my 97th save, approx. 120 hours of playtime. Since it seemingly only affects the saves I made after installing SkyUI, I would assume cleaning the saves of any SkyUI data would help. Problem is, I'm not really sure how one goes about doing that though. Hope it helps.

Edit:
It is worth mentioning though, my charcater recently died in apocrypha which means he respawns where he was before reading the black book(doesn't actually kill you), as I recall it from yesterday, I tried reading the book again, and my game froze, the bug happened ever since.

Edit2:
So I reinstalled SkyUI and now I got some Juicy errors:
https://imgur.com/a/oAcGX
I finally found a fix for my case(though I think this fix only works for my case, I didn't see SkyUI in your load order); I've been noticing that whenever I ran the game SkyUI was automatically disabled, so I re-installed it through NMM and just didn't touch the load order at all. Guess what, it worked. I can finally save.
Makes sense. These symptoms showed up in oldrim if you had mods that required a newer version of SKSE than the one you were running. Getting everything back up to date will probably fix it for you.

I've spend something like 20-30 cumulative hours on solving this. I still can't find a fix. Everytime I fail it breaks my heart. I'm tired.

If I revert back to old saves, I will get crash when I play same amount of time, the CTD will catch up with me.

Technically; around 1250-1260th saves on my game are always CTDs. (if I play with less saving I still get CTD around the same gaming progress that equals 1250 save.)

So I'm guessin it's not actually a script/mod issue. More like SkyUI/Skse related things.

It feels like a stupid Skse bug that's actually easy to fix but no one actually knows how because they always blame mods.

squireoivanhoe · April 5, 2018

We

M

I have been having a seemingly identical issue, it happened ever since I rolled back from the new SE update. It seems to be retroactive for some reason affecting all files with SkyUI installed, which makes little sense if it's a script issue. I do, however use Warzones 2015 which is relativly script heavy, and my build relies on the ritual stone to revive large amounts of enemies to fight for me, so guess that would make sense. I tried re-updating to the newset version, and load the save both with and without SkyUI to no avail.

I'm not really sure if it's a coincidence that this happened right after rolling back from yesterday's(3rd of April 2018) update. It happened on my 97th save, approx. 120 hours of playtime. Since it seemingly only affects the saves I made after installing SkyUI, I would assume cleaning the saves of any SkyUI data would help. Problem is, I'm not really sure how one goes about doing that though. Hope it helps.

Edit:
It is worth mentioning though, my charcater recently died in apocrypha which means he respawns where he was before reading the black book(doesn't actually kill you), as I recall it from yesterday, I tried reading the book again, and my game froze, the bug happened ever since.

Edit2:
So I reinstalled SkyUI and now I got some Juicy errors:
https://imgur.com/a/oAcGX
I finally found a fix for my case(though I think this fix only works for my case, I didn't see SkyUI in your load order); I've been noticing that whenever I ran the game SkyUI was automatically disabled, so I re-installed it through NMM and just didn't touch the load order at all. Guess what, it worked. I can finally save.
Makes sense. These symptoms showed up in oldrim if you had mods that required a newer version of SKSE than the one you were running. Getting everything back up to date will probably fix it for you.
I've spend something like 20-30 cumulative hours on solving this. I still can't find a fix. Everytime I fail it breaks my heart. I'm tired.

If I revert back to old saves, I will get crash when I play same amount of time, the CTD will catch up with me.

Technically; around 1250-1260th saves on my game are always CTDs. (if I play with less saving I still get CTD around the same gaming progress that equals 1250 save.)

So I'm guessin it's not actually a script/mod issue. More like SkyUI/Skse related things.

It feels like a stupid Skse bug that's actually easy to fix but no one actually knows how because they always blame mods.

Well, these symptoms can definitely occur without skse, since it ultimately boils down to script engine failure, which can be caused a couple of different ways. I don't use it or any dependent mods, since it is technically still in alpha, and I don't trust alpha builds, and I am the original poster of this problem. That being said, it could still be an skse bug, or a combination of the two. Did you try the previously discussed fix, and if that failed could you post your modlist?

SanguinBlack · April 5, 2018

We

M

I have been having a seemingly identical issue, it happened ever since I rolled back from the new SE update. It seems to be retroactive for some reason affecting all files with SkyUI installed, which makes little sense if it's a script issue. I do, however use Warzones 2015 which is relativly script heavy, and my build relies on the ritual stone to revive large amounts of enemies to fight for me, so guess that would make sense. I tried re-updating to the newset version, and load the save both with and without SkyUI to no avail.

I'm not really sure if it's a coincidence that this happened right after rolling back from yesterday's(3rd of April 2018) update. It happened on my 97th save, approx. 120 hours of playtime. Since it seemingly only affects the saves I made after installing SkyUI, I would assume cleaning the saves of any SkyUI data would help. Problem is, I'm not really sure how one goes about doing that though. Hope it helps.

Edit:
It is worth mentioning though, my charcater recently died in apocrypha which means he respawns where he was before reading the black book(doesn't actually kill you), as I recall it from yesterday, I tried reading the book again, and my game froze, the bug happened ever since.

Edit2:
So I reinstalled SkyUI and now I got some Juicy errors:
https://imgur.com/a/oAcGX
I finally found a fix for my case(though I think this fix only works for my case, I didn't see SkyUI in your load order); I've been noticing that whenever I ran the game SkyUI was automatically disabled, so I re-installed it through NMM and just didn't touch the load order at all. Guess what, it worked. I can finally save.
Makes sense. These symptoms showed up in oldrim if you had mods that required a newer version of SKSE than the one you were running. Getting everything back up to date will probably fix it for you.
I've spend something like 20-30 cumulative hours on solving this. I still can't find a fix. Everytime I fail it breaks my heart. I'm tired.

If I revert back to old saves, I will get crash when I play same amount of time, the CTD will catch up with me.

Technically; around 1250-1260th saves on my game are always CTDs. (if I play with less saving I still get CTD around the same gaming progress that equals 1250 save.)

So I'm guessin it's not actually a script/mod issue. More like SkyUI/Skse related things.

It feels like a stupid Skse bug that's actually easy to fix but no one actually knows how because they always blame mods.

Well, these symptoms can definitely occur without skse, since it ultimately boils down to script engine failure, which can be caused a couple of different ways. I don't use it or any dependent mods, since it is technically still in alpha, and I don't trust alpha builds, and I am the original poster of this problem. That being said, it could still be an skse bug, or a combination of the two. Did you try the previously discussed fix, and if that failed could you post your modlist?

Before openin the spoiler tag hold on to something. Like I said in a previous post, I have many mods but my game is stable AF (other than some citizens acting crappy possibly due to a mod conflict that I didn't want to fix) capped at 60fps and this isn't my first run.

~~Now that Skse64 updated my game is officially dead. Says ''Skyrim has stopped working''. I am tired of this s***, maybe I'll try reinstalling Skyrim next year.~~

I am not sure if that fix would work me, since I am using MO2 and I don't have any issues with SkyUI.

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Some people say that the game thinks you are dead and that's why it can't save the game but let you play. This actually makes sense, I've been using TIM(toggle immortal mode) in my game with console commands because I hate dying and reloading. Feels like a waste of time. (With tim command you will still get damage but you won't fall below 1 hp)

And actually my game does not load the save automatically after using player.kill, I either get CTD or forced back to the main menu.

So maybe I'm just dead. But I don't know, it just feels so random. Sometimes it let's me save out of no reason. :confused:

UPDATE:

I removed Campfire and every mod related to Campfire because it's on Creation Club now, I will probably use that instead (if I can play the game first). Suddenly I could save again. I didn't get any CTD so far, quit the game myself after playing and saving a while. --Saved for approx. 30 more times-- completed 1 mid-sized dungeon, changed some settings, walked some distance, killed some people etc. --So far, no CTD.--

I know I said people always blame the mods and I still don't blame Campfire and Campfire Unleashed. They are just some really script/clutter heavy mods. It's not their even their fault. I just have too many mods. ReSaver showing over 200 unattached instances and OVER 28.000 UNDEFINED ELEMENTS, wow, it's really heavy. So I'm guessing removing them eased my script load or something. It's just a wild guess but so far it's OK.

I just hope the CTDs won't catch up with me again.

I will update this post accordingly.

Edited April 7, 2018 by SanguinBlack

squireoivanhoe · April 7, 2018

We

M

I have been having a seemingly identical issue, it happened ever since I rolled back from the new SE update. It seems to be retroactive for some reason affecting all files with SkyUI installed, which makes little sense if it's a script issue. I do, however use Warzones 2015 which is relativly script heavy, and my build relies on the ritual stone to revive large amounts of enemies to fight for me, so guess that would make sense. I tried re-updating to the newset version, and load the save both with and without SkyUI to no avail.

I'm not really sure if it's a coincidence that this happened right after rolling back from yesterday's(3rd of April 2018) update. It happened on my 97th save, approx. 120 hours of playtime. Since it seemingly only affects the saves I made after installing SkyUI, I would assume cleaning the saves of any SkyUI data would help. Problem is, I'm not really sure how one goes about doing that though. Hope it helps.

Edit:
It is worth mentioning though, my charcater recently died in apocrypha which means he respawns where he was before reading the black book(doesn't actually kill you), as I recall it from yesterday, I tried reading the book again, and my game froze, the bug happened ever since.

Edit2:
So I reinstalled SkyUI and now I got some Juicy errors:
https://imgur.com/a/oAcGX
I finally found a fix for my case(though I think this fix only works for my case, I didn't see SkyUI in your load order); I've been noticing that whenever I ran the game SkyUI was automatically disabled, so I re-installed it through NMM and just didn't touch the load order at all. Guess what, it worked. I can finally save.
Makes sense. These symptoms showed up in oldrim if you had mods that required a newer version of SKSE than the one you were running. Getting everything back up to date will probably fix it for you.
I've spend something like 20-30 cumulative hours on solving this. I still can't find a fix. Everytime I fail it breaks my heart. I'm tired.

If I revert back to old saves, I will get crash when I play same amount of time, the CTD will catch up with me.

Technically; around 1250-1260th saves on my game are always CTDs. (if I play with less saving I still get CTD around the same gaming progress that equals 1250 save.)

So I'm guessin it's not actually a script/mod issue. More like SkyUI/Skse related things.

It feels like a stupid Skse bug that's actually easy to fix but no one actually knows how because they always blame mods.

Well, these symptoms can definitely occur without skse, since it ultimately boils down to script engine failure, which can be caused a couple of different ways. I don't use it or any dependent mods, since it is technically still in alpha, and I don't trust alpha builds, and I am the original poster of this problem. That being said, it could still be an skse bug, or a combination of the two. Did you try the previously discussed fix, and if that failed could you post your modlist?
Before openin the spoiler tag hold on to something. Like I said in a previous post, I have many mods but my game is stable AF (other than some citizens acting crappy possibly due to a mod conflict that I didn't want to fix) capped at 60fps and this isn't my first run.

~~Now that Skse64 updated my game is officially dead. Says ''Skyrim has stopped working''. I am tired of this s***, maybe I'll try reinstalling Skyrim next year.~~

I am not sure if that fix would work me, since I am using MO2 and I don't have any issues with SkyUI.

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Solitude Expansion.esp
SE - Skywalk Patch.esp
HearthFires Display Case Fix SE.esp
Unique Display Room.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Hunting Cabin Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Leaf Rest Patch.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
PCE - No Custom Music patch.esp
PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
PCE - ELFXEnhancer Patch.esp
PCE - Holidays Patch.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
Valerica.esp
Serana.esp
SimpleTaxes.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
PCE - RDO Patch.esp
Facial Piercings.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
Heart Breaker SE.esp
VioLens SE.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Ars Metallica - LSC Patch.esp
ETaC - Ars Metallica Patch.esp
Immersive Jewelry.esp
DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
DBM_Bloodworm_Patch.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
DBM_DGE_Crossbow_Patch.esp
DBM_ElementalDragons_Patch.esp
DBM_GoodBrother_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
DBM_MenofWinter_Patch.esp
DBM_MysticCondenser_Patch.esp
DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
DBM_SAFO_Patch.esp
DBM_Skyway_Patch.esp
DBM_StagPrinceBow_Patch.esp
DBM_TamrielicCulture_Patch.esp
DBM_VigilantPatch.esp
DBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.esp
PCE - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
20 More Perk Points.esp
50 More Perk Points.esp
Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
FemaleWerewolf.esp
True Bat Form Remade.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
Tainted_Blood.esp
DemonHunterV2.esp
MoreVampireEyes.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Simple AUA.esp
Backshields.esp
Predator Vision.esp
IMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
DisableHDREffects.esp
Dark Envoy.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
ESO Altmer Armor by NewrMind43.esp
Dolmen Ruins.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Plugins that patch somethings (ex. DBM_Legacy of Dragonborn patches) are actually disabled and merged into bash but the mod list shows them here anyway.

Some people say that the game thinks you are dead and that's why it can't save the game but let you play. This actually makes sense, I've been using TIM(toggle immortal mode) in my game with console commands because I hate dying and reloading. Feels like a waste of time. (With tim command you will still get damage but you won't fall below 1 hp)

And actually my game does not load the save automatically after using player.kill, I either get CTD or forced back to the main menu.

So maybe I'm just dead. But I don't know, it just feels so random. Sometimes it let's me save out of no reason. :confused:

UPDATE:

I removed Campfire and every mod related to Campfire because it's on Creation Club now, I will probably use that instead (if I can play the game first). Suddenly I could save again. I didn't get any CTD so far, quit the game myself after playing and saving a while. --Saved for approx. 30 more times-- completed 1 mid-sized dungeon, changed some settings, walked some distance, killed some people etc. --So far, no CTD.--

I know I said people always blame the mods and I still don't blame Campfire and Campfire Unleashed. They are just some really script/clutter heavy mods. It's not their even their fault. I just have too many mods. ReSaver showing over 200 unattached instances and OVER 28.000 UNDEFINED ELEMENTS, wow, it's really heavy. So I'm guessing removing them eased my script load or something. It's just a wild guess but so far it's OK.

I just hope the CTDs won't catch up with me again.

I will update this post accordingly.

Absolutely. That's not a wild guess at all, it conforms pretty nicely to what most of the folks on this thread have experienced. Like I've been saying, it doesn't seem to be any specific mod (although there may be some bad actors), but rather certain combinations of script heavy mods that the engine can't handle. Be sure to check your game periodically with Resaver and give it a script enema every once in a while to make sure that it's running clean.

SanguinBlack · April 15, 2018

I've been able to make another 2000 saves without CTD, turns out the game engine was not able handle too many leveled list objects. Didn't know there was a limit to it. This is why removing Campfire Unleashed fixed the issue. It is one of the most object heavy mods in the Nexus.

But of course Campfire Unleashed alone doesn't cause this issue, I have many mods like Diverse Dragons, Immersive Jewelry, Legendary Armors/Crossbows etc.

So that's it for me I guess. I hope my comments will be helpful for someone at least.

audiodef · April 15, 2018

I notice you have autosaves. Does turning off all autosave features help?

squireoivanhoe · April 16, 2018

I've been able to make another 2000 saves without CTD, turns out the game engine was not able handle too many leveled list objects. Didn't know there was a limit to it. This is why removing Campfire Unleashed fixed the issue. It is one of the most object heavy mods in the Nexus.

But of course Campfire Unleashed alone doesn't cause this issue, I have many mods like Diverse Dragons, Immersive Jewelry, Legendary Armors/Crossbows etc.

So that's it for me I guess. I hope my comments will be helpful for someone at least.

Interesting! Thanks for the info.

tommy61157 · April 22, 2018

I've been able to make another 2000 saves without CTD, turns out the game engine was not able handle too many leveled list objects. Didn't know there was a limit to it. This is why removing Campfire Unleashed fixed the issue. It is one of the most object heavy mods in the Nexus.

But of course Campfire Unleashed alone doesn't cause this issue, I have many mods like Diverse Dragons, Immersive Jewelry, Legendary Armors/Crossbows etc.

So that's it for me I guess. I hope my comments will be helpful for someone at least.

Any Idea what the limit might be?

mogneto · April 25, 2018

Hey everyone, has the problem been solved?

Edit: I though I had the solution, but my character cant exit the map or the game ctd

Edit 2: Forget about what I said, I think I have got now the solution.

If anyone wants to know here is what I did (if I commit any writing error, please sorry. I am not a hundred percent English fluent)

Step 1:

-I've downloaded the Fallrim Tools and started the ReSaver.exe program.

Step 2:

-I've opened my Saves folder (PC/Doccuments/My Games/Skyrim Special Edition/Saves) and then selected the save that I wanted to use.

******Make sure you have made a backup of this save file!!!!

*Tip for those who doesnt know which save is your prefered:

Open your game and go to Load; then, select the show all saves option. It will show (in up to down order) the most recent saved file first. It also shows you a picture, which is shown on the right side of the ReSaver.exe program when you open your save.

But using the image orientation only would be a too slow process, so you may search at your File Explorer for the Date Modified option. By clickin there it will turn from the Alphabetical order to the Most Recently Updated.

Step 3:

-I've selected the Clean option and marked the Show Unattached Instances option. You may also mark the Show Undefined Elements if this method doesnt work in the end.

-After that, hit the Remove Unattached Instances option (you must select the Remove Undefined Elements if this method doesnt work in the end.)

Step 4:

-I've saved the file and started SkyrimSE (Make sure you have the save backup outside the folder)

Step 5:

-Here you can simply go to Continue, but I held to the Load and Show All Saves option. Here you will see many saves, but the one you'll go is the first one.

**At this point, SkyrimSE may CTD after your load screen. But no worries. I'll explain that on the next step.

Step 6:

-If after all this you've got a CTD, go to your Library on Steam. It must show up an downloading (percentage) at the side os the SkyrimSE game. This is your new save file being adapted to the game.

Congratulations! Now you only need to open your game and load the same save that on Step 5, your game must begin. If it does not, repeat the process but now with selecting the Undefined Elements options in the ReSaver.exe.

WARNING!!!!

This is related to my first edit.

You can not delete your other saves after that, or the game will CTD when you leave the map, and then it will always CTD after the loadscreen (in any save file you load). My luck was that I didnt emptied the trash, so I could move it all back to my save folder.

That's it everyone, hope it works!

Edited April 25, 2018 by mogneto

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