Some concerns about the community

[Morgwynn]

So I just heard about this whole thing today and to be honest I don't know what to think. I'm not a modder although I have probably spent around 50 hours in the G.E.C.K. tinkering with making companions/followers for myself but I've never posted anything, however I have the utmost respect for what modders do because for me trying to make any kind of mod is incredibly intimidating. I have watched many video's about this and poured through reddit comments and i'm more confused now than when I began looking into this.

[Perraine]

So I just heard about this whole thing today and to be honest I don't know what to think. I'm not a modder although I have probably spent around 50 hours in the G.E.C.K. tinkering with making companions/followers for myself but I've never posted anything, however I have the utmost respect for what modders do because for me trying to make any kind of mod is incredibly intimidating. I have watched many video's about this and poured through reddit comments and i'm more confused now than when I began looking into this.

Just keep an open mind at least, with the following caveats.

 

There is NOWHERE on the internet where you will find an unbiased discussion on this subject. Also there is nowhere on the internet that contains the entire story.

 

Youtube videos are almost exclusively anti-mod author rights + anti-copyright + anti-EULA.

Reddit is almost exclusively anti-Nexus + anti-mod author rights + anti-EULA.

Nexus is almost exclusively pro-Nexus + pro-mod author + pro-EULA.

[Thandal]

^^ Said all I needed to know. ^^

Now I don't even have to try to keep up.

[Nilanius]

 

So I just heard about this whole thing today and to be honest I don't know what to think. I'm not a modder although I have probably spent around 50 hours in the G.E.C.K. tinkering with making companions/followers for myself but I've never posted anything, however I have the utmost respect for what modders do because for me trying to make any kind of mod is incredibly intimidating. I have watched many video's about this and poured through reddit comments and i'm more confused now than when I began looking into this.

Just keep an open mind at least, with the following caveats.

 

There is NOWHERE on the internet where you will find an unbiased discussion on this subject. Also there is nowhere on the internet that contains the entire story.

 

Youtube videos are almost exclusively anti-mod author rights + anti-copyright + anti-EULA.

Reddit is almost exclusively anti-Nexus + anti-mod author rights + anti-EULA.

Nexus is almost exclusively pro-Nexus + pro-mod author + pro-EULA.

 

 

Mod authors and reviewers have their own individual rights though. Mod Authors fall into the category of producers/creators/authors/copyright holders. They create something that belongs to them. The only thing is, the creation kit EULA says Mod Authors are not allowed to sell their work. The reason for this is because while the mod might be the mod author's creation, Bethesda has not given up their rights to ownership of Skyrim which is their creation, thus the assets in skyrim, aka, the models, the textures unless those are created from scratch, still belongs to Bethesda. And lets face it, without skyrim, we would not be having this discussion. So the argument has been passed around that "Without mod authors, there would be no mods", but without Bethesda making this game, and the creation kit, there would be no mods.

 

Now in terms of copyright holders rights, there are limitations. Exceptions and Fair Use were created into the copyright laws to protect the non-copyright holders. Ever hummed a favorite musical tune you love? Did you have permission from the music's author to go reproducing their work with your own voice? No of course not. Ever tell your friends "Hey this movie <title here> was really great! You should go see it!", well speaking the movie's name would put you in violation of the copyright as you spoke a copyrighted title name. Everything you do in 1 day, at some point, would put you in violation of copyright. Hence why exceptions and fair use were created.

 

Reviewers are protected. Especially reviewers like MXR. Though he is paid for his videos, he is paid not for the mods he features, but for his thoughts and opinions. Let me reiterate: He is paid for his thoughts and opinions and NOT the mods themselves!

 

This is why advertisers are picky and choosy with who they sponsor on youtube and why many advertisers are pulling their ads off youtube. It isn't the products being reviewed that is scaring them away, it's ideology. Advertisers don't want to be associated with antisemitic opinions as some youtube videos were discovered to be promoting. It's why every channel has been hurting recently financially. Advertisers pay the video authors for their thoughts, and opinions, and the amount of views their video's get.

 

Siskel and Ebert were popular movie reviewers. But they weren't being paid for the movie they were reviewing. They were paid for their thoughts and opinions. They could of been reviewing dog leashes and still been paid for just their thoughts. Youtube isn't "anti-mod author rights + anti-copyright + anti-EULA." as you said. If anything reviewers are doing mod authors a generous service by alerting mod users like myself, to the author's mod which we often would not of even known about otherwise. Up until Tarshana attacked MXR, you did not see any hate between authors and youtube reviewers. Another big name youtuber also touched on this, and he's nailed every point home which can be found at:

 

 

The only time I am anti-mod author, is when a mod author thinks they can censor reviews. Reviewing is an age old thing that has been around forever. It's protected under most countries laws, especially the USA, Canada and even the UK. This entire thing, if MXR actually had the money for going to court, could of been settled very swiftly as a judge would of looked at the case, and thrown out Tarshana's claims. And as Zaric Zhakaron pointed out, it would of likely been the mod author that would of been in trouble if anything.

[Deleted43035897User]

 

 

So I just heard about this whole thing today and to be honest I don't know what to think. I'm not a modder although I have probably spent around 50 hours in the G.E.C.K. tinkering with making companions/followers for myself but I've never posted anything, however I have the utmost respect for what modders do because for me trying to make any kind of mod is incredibly intimidating. I have watched many video's about this and poured through reddit comments and i'm more confused now than when I began looking into this.

Just keep an open mind at least, with the following caveats.

 

There is NOWHERE on the internet where you will find an unbiased discussion on this subject. Also there is nowhere on the internet that contains the entire story.

 

Youtube videos are almost exclusively anti-mod author rights + anti-copyright + anti-EULA.

Reddit is almost exclusively anti-Nexus + anti-mod author rights + anti-EULA.

Nexus is almost exclusively pro-Nexus + pro-mod author + pro-EULA.

 

 

Mod authors and reviewers have their own individual rights though. Mod Authors fall into the category of producers/creators/authors/copyright holders. They create something that belongs to them. The only thing is, the creation kit EULA says Mod Authors are not allowed to sell their work. The reason for this is because while the mod might be the mod author's creation, Bethesda has not given up their rights to ownership of Skyrim which is their creation, thus the assets in skyrim, aka, the models, the textures unless those are created from scratch, still belongs to Bethesda. And lets face it, without skyrim, we would not be having this discussion. So the argument has been passed around that "Without mod authors, there would be no mods", but without Bethesda making this game, and the creation kit, there would be no mods.

 

Now in terms of copyright holders rights, there are limitations. Exceptions and Fair Use were created into the copyright laws to protect the non-copyright holders. Ever hummed a favorite musical tune you love? Did you have permission from the music's author to go reproducing their work with your own voice? No of course not. Ever tell your friends "Hey this movie <title here> was really great! You should go see it!", well speaking the movie's name would put you in violation of the copyright as you spoke a copyrighted title name. Everything you do in 1 day, at some point, would put you in violation of copyright. Hence why exceptions and fair use were created.

 

Reviewers are protected. Especially reviewers like MXR. Though he is paid for his videos, he is paid not for the mods he features, but for his thoughts and opinions. Let me reiterate: He is paid for his thoughts and opinions and NOT the mods themselves!

 

This is why advertisers are picky and choosy with who they sponsor on youtube and why many advertisers are pulling their ads off youtube. It isn't the products being reviewed that is scaring them away, it's ideology. Advertisers don't want to be associated with antisemitic opinions as some youtube videos were discovered to be promoting. It's why every channel has been hurting recently financially. Advertisers pay the video authors for their thoughts, and opinions, and the amount of views their video's get.

 

Siskel and Ebert were popular movie reviewers. But they weren't being paid for the movie they were reviewing. They were paid for their thoughts and opinions. They could of been reviewing dog leashes and still been paid for just their thoughts. Youtube isn't "anti-mod author rights + anti-copyright + anti-EULA." as you said. If anything reviewers are doing mod authors a generous service by alerting mod users like myself, to the author's mod which we often would not of even known about otherwise. Up until Tarshana attacked MXR, you did not see any hate between authors and youtube reviewers. Another big name youtuber also touched on this, and he's nailed every point home which can be found at:

 

 

The only time I am anti-mod author, is when a mod author thinks they can censor reviews. Reviewing is an age old thing that has been around forever. It's protected under most countries laws, especially the USA, Canada and even the UK. This entire thing, if MXR actually had the money for going to court, could of been settled very swiftly as a judge would have looked at the case, and thrown out Tarshana's claims. And as Zaric Zhakaron pointed out, it would have likely been the mod author that would have been in trouble if anything.

 

 

 

Nilanius, Nilanius, Nilanius... look like You still don't understand do you?... Fine i'll tell you straight to your face... MxR... is bullying Tarshana... to death...

 

Listen, I know you're a defender of justice and all, but I also know taht you're a very stubborn person fthat would never accept reality... judging from the way you talk, you trust MxR more than accept reality... but as yourself this

 

Whose the one being bullied? Tarshana

Whose the one being threaten to death? Tarshana

Whose the one have to block all her email and comment section so she won't have to listen to them? Tarshana

and... who... is the one... who ask his fans... to attack Tarshana?... Henry.... Liang... MxR

 

If we're going to talk about law, than let's have a debate about the present situation because all of us here, including THAT guy on your video, have no solid evidences to talk about it. Only Tarshana and MxR knows... However... let's talk about now, shall we.

 

You've also know that Tarshana is being threaten by MxR's fans from all corner, am I right?... Because MxR "accidentally" tell his fans to... "attack" Tarshana... and what would the MOST normal approach of them all... STOP them. If he HAD some humanity left in him, he would try to tell his fans, including you, to STOP mentioning , STOP threatening, STOP blackmailing... after all, at this point he should have noticed by now the storm that he's making right now... so why didn't HE tried to stop it?.. WHY... Did he make it worse?

 

 

I'll explain and analyze the situation for you: MxR Lost to Tarshana, he couldn't put this up to court due to his financial problem, so he complains on his twitter BUT he didn't expect his fans to directly attack Tarshana... he DIDN'T expect them... to force her to hide her own mod... He was also surprise... but at the same time... he... REALLY happy about it.

 

So HE decided to go for one more strike on her.... by saying HALF of the story.. and joke about it. From his tone he CLEARLY wsn't joking... but mocking... and have EVERY intention to attack Tarshana.

 

I'm going to tell you this... no matter HOW angry a person is... NO ONE used other people... as weapon... to attack another person. That's includes you.. you're also one of his puppets. Smell the coffee yet? MxR USED you, He USED you to get rid of Tarshana OUT OF HIS SIGHT. Because he couldn't win or even fight in the court... no.. he WOULDN'T even stand a chance to her in court. you can talk about law or you want.. but my friend study them and I've ask him... MxR is the one who is going to lose.. NOT Tarshana. GAME OVER for MxR right-from-the-start.

 

IF you say that my claim is bullsh*t than answer me this. WHY isn't he trying to stop this storm that he's making right now? Why is he still lollygagging in real life with that smile on his face.... not a care in the world... but himself? Unless he's completely oblivious about this situation, which is isn't even SEEM possible since HE'S the one who's started this... there's only one LOGICAL explanation left... "Personal grudge"

 

Listen, IF he REALLY doesn't want all of this to happen, than he would have tell you guys to stop attacking. He would have tell you guys to "Stop attacking, I don't want you guys to keep threaten her like this" "Be more mature guys, no ones likes to be threaten"... but he didn't... He kept it quiet... he turn his head around... and let you and his fans... do the dirty work... while he keep living his happy life with nothing to worry about.

 

this is not my claim... this is the truth... a fact... that you can't even accept. The true nature of the man you've trying to protect isn't as simple as you think... he's a very manipulative man...he WANTS you to throw Tarshana out. He wants you to keep on bullying her, threatening her... I know it's a very hard thing to swallow but... face it... Don't you see? MxR... it's still safe and sound... while Tarshana... have to stay hidden until the storm end...

 

However, he's still VERY immature... you only analyzed what happened in the past.. but you haven't put a single thought in to the future... what happen... when Tarshana... suicide?

 

It's only natural for a normal human being when they're push into a corner like that. Being threaten, bully in so many damn direction. If she had never have the community protection... what do you think she would do?... i'll tell you what... there's only two path... either she'll explode in rage.... or death... and the later is usually have the highest percentage.

 

Listen, I'm not trying to be smart, but this is a fact. I know what you're thinking, but I'm going to say that you're doing now... is no different forcing someone else to death... no different from siding with group of people trying to harm an a single person with words and doubt. You're trying to protect MxR... but in reality.... you're trying to attack someone... forcing them to die... something that MxR's WANTS you to do.... however... not the death part.

Becasue... IF Tarshana die because all of this, the man whose going to receive the HEAVIEST responsibility... is none other than MxR. He'll be charge as the head of the attack since hes' started it, there's enough evidences and proof because he dug his won grave. What are they? His complain on twitter, His agitation on youtube... and his carefree life.. he look the otehr way so you and his fans can force Tarshana in to a corner... those are solid evidences to prove that MxR... is on purposely started this storm.. prove that he's the criminal master mind. And you know what happen next... he's going to record videos behind bars, which means... he'll be charge for indirect murder. They didn't put bullyism, threat, intimidation, blackmail as a crime for no reason.

 

even if he won't be thrown in prison... his name will be tainted even more.

 

"Youtuber used his fans to force an Italian girl to death"

"A Youtuber suspected to be the head of the group bullyism, forcing victim to death"

"Youtuber charged for indirect murder"

 

And we're all know how the media hates youtube... and they don't even care what other say

His motive... personal grudge

His weapons... his fans.. and you

 

Words are like dagger, you need to be care ul what you say as well... cause if Tarshana going to suicide... you're also part of that responsibility... and I bet you can't even handle that guilt for a VERY long time. You know why... because you're also trying to forcing Tarshana to her death as well... and you should thank MxR for that, because you're fulfilling his desire to attack her and corner her.

 

This is on you, you can take it or not, it's up to you. But remember... that's the truth... the inevitable truth... one can't be evaded in the future... and there's no denying that... Be warn... you won't be able to sleep at night as well in the future. And think twice before you're talking about law.... think twice before jumping into conclusion.. and think twice to see... whose the person in the wrong here... as in right now.

[RGMage2]

This thread needs to be locked. It's sole purpose from the start was to bully Tarshana by turning people here against her and drive her out of the Nexus. This plan was clearly stated by some of those posting in MRX's comment thread.

 

Cyber bullying is a criminal offense and should not be tolerated here on the Nexus.

[Deleted82156User]

 

Up until Tarshana attacked MXR, you did not see any hate between authors and youtube reviewers. Another big name youtuber also touched on this, and he's nailed every point home which can be found at:

 

 

That is not true by a long shot. There have been numerous times that youtubers have given the middle finger to mod authors who dare to have a problem with their work being associated with pedo, sexism, outright misinformation about the mod and even nefarious sponsers like G2A. This is far from the first time that youtubers have set their followers on mod authors and as far as I understand there have been incidences where mod authors have quit due to attack by youtubers.

 

That video is uninformed, biased assumptions and misinformation and has just led to more attacking of Tarshana. Another Youtuber trying to capitalize off drama. Once again the comments on that video run rampant with hatred and threats and once again the youtuber cannot be bothered to take responsibility.

 

 

This thread needs to be locked. It's sole purpose from the start was to bully Tarshana by turning people here against her and drive her out of the Nexus. This plan was clearly stated by some of those posting in MRX's comment thread.

 

Cyber bullying is a criminal offense and should not be tolerated here on the Nexus.

 

Agreed.

Edited April 27, 2017 by Guest

[TheVampireDante]

Agreed. This has gone on long enough, time for it to end.

Topic locked.