That's it. I give up. DESPERATLY need help from the crash experts here.

[nagrom2608]

Hi Guys.

 

I've been having constant problems with CTD, and freezing issues.

 

I've done everything I can think of to remedy the problems. But to no avail.

 

I've used LOOT to go through my mods for problems. Then used TES5Edit to clean the affected mods. Now loot isn't reporting any problems.

 

This is my load order

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Falskaar.esm

7 7 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

8 8 arnima.esm

9 9 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

10 a ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

11 b HighResTexturePack01.esp

12 c HighResTexturePack02.esp

13 d HighResTexturePack03.esp

14 e Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

15 f ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp

16 10 Falskaar Wildlife.esp

17 11 SkyUI.esp

18 12 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

19 13 ELFX - Exteriors.esp

20 14 UGCustum.esp

21 15 Logical Grass.esp

22 16 Unique Grasses.esp

23 17 Vivid Landscapes.esp

24 18 real glaciers v2.esp

25 19 WetandCold.esp

26 1a AOS.esp

27 1b Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

28 1c 3DNPC.esp

29 1d ETaC - Complete.esp

30 1e Purity.esp

31 1f ELFX and Exteriors - ETaC Hotfix.esp

32 20 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

33 21 ELFX - ETaC Hotfix.esp

34 22 ELFXEnhancer.esp

35 23 Helgen Reborn.esp

36 24 ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp

37 25 betterinns.esp

38 26 ELFX - Weathers.esp

39 27 Immersive Whiterun.esp

40 28 Immersive Solstheim.esp

41 29 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

42 2a hearthfireextended.esp

43 2b detailed cities.esp

44 2c greystone castle v1.0.esp

45 2d bettermorthal.esp

46 2e Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp

47 2f Dark_Forests_Arnima.esp

48 30 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp

49 31 Point The Way.esp

50 32 Oblivion Gates v3 - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

51 33 Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

52 34 BirdsHFclean.esp

53 35 skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp

54 36 Peaceful Valley.esp

55 37 SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp

56 38 quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

57 39 StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

58 3a BetterNordicRuins.esp

59 3b lakeviewdock1.2.esp

60 3c fallentreebridges.esp

61 3d quest_nomercy.esp

62 3e tame beast.esp

63 3f Immersive Patrols II.esp

64 40 quest_seaofghosts.esp

65 41 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

66 42 retreat.esm

67 43 markarth_plus.esp

68 44 SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp

69 45 betterdawnstar.esp

70 46 bettermarkarthexterieur.esp

71 47 Hideout.esm

72 48 LakeviewManorRoad.esp

73 49 Hearthfire Cheat Chests.esp

74 4a Dreamborne Islands.esp

75 4b quest_sorcery.esp

76 4c ForgottenCity.esp

77 4d communitycollege.esp

78 4e quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

79 4f Darkend.esp

80 50 tavevillages.esp

81 51 TownsandVillagesEnhancedProAlpha.esp

82 52 riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp

83 53 betterwinterhold.esp

84 54 whiterunexenhanced.esp

85 55 rabbithole.esp

86 56 taveriften.esp

87 57 tavefalkreath.esp

88 58 tavesolitude.esp

89 59 tavewindhelm.esp

90 5a saturationboost.esp

91 5b deeper snow.esp

92 5c CinematicFireFX.esp

93 5d dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

94 5e AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

95 5f reversecrafting.esp

96 60 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp

97 61 buildingmaterialsgodchest.esp

98 62 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

99 63 Immersive Weapons.esp

100 64 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

101 65 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp

102 66 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp

103 67 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp

104 68 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp

105 69 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

106 6a Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp

107 6b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

108 6c WetandCold - Ashes.esp

109 6d MoreSnowWindyand75percentLessView.esp

110 6e LightsLakeviewManor.esp

111 6f IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

112 70 dynamic fires.esp

113 71 Convenient Horse Herding.esp

114 72 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

115 73 Convenient Horses.esp

116 74 UltimateDragons.esp

117 75 RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp

118 76 TKAA.esp

119 77 Race Scale Remover.esp

I altered the load order to match the recommended one on Bethesda's site, but on next launch it reverted to the one above. That said, it STILL crashed when using the Bethesda load order.

Yet I'm STILL having CTD issues. I REALLY have given up trying to sort this problem out. When I first got the game, I had a few simple mods running, and I dont remember it crashing at all. Now it virtually unplayable.

Any other suggestions would be great.

Thanks in advance

Andy.

Now looking at the BOSS, but it looks mind numbingly complicated.

Okay I ran BOSS, and it's looks basically the same as LOOT. So that was a waste of time.

Edited April 9, 2017 by nagrom2608

[LeddBate]

While I'm not familiar with about half of your mods, I can see you're running a LOT of texture-heavy mods. My first guess is that you're running out of VRAM.

 

So, a few questions:

1. Are you using SKSE? If so, did you watch Gopher's video (linked from SKSE's page)?

2. What GPU are you using? In fact, while you're at it, could you list the stats for your entire rig?

 

Meanwhile, here is a general purpose troubleshooting guide by Darstyler. If any of this helps you, please give him a kudo.

 

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

[nagrom2608]

Thanks LeddBate of the thorough reply.

 

To answer some of your questions.

 

Yes, I'm running SKSE, however I didn't watch Gophers installation guide. I cant remember how I installed it now, but it seems to be running okay.

If I REINSTALL SKSE as described in the video, in case I messed up the installation, what effect will reinstalling it have? Will it affect the game, mods etc?

 

To answer your next question, My PC specs are as follows.

 

• i5 6400 2.7 quad-core
• 8GB RAM
• 2 onboard GFX chips.
  1. Intel HD 530 1GB. This is what Skyrim defaults to, and I cant seem to be able to change it.
  2. Radeon R5 M320 2GB. This is obviously the one I would like, and need to use.
• Windows 10

I have used LOOT, in comjuction with TESVEdit to go through the Mods, and clean them up. There are now no errors, apart from one for my player home mod. This needs updating. However I'm pretty sure that this isn't an issue. I have alot of stuff to remove from the house before I update it. Not got around to that it.

 

I'll try the Wyrebash, and Merged patch solutions you mentioned.

 

Looks like I've got alot of work to carry out. Given the only way I can change the Mod order in NMM is to reinstall each one individually.

 

Going through the "Don't uninstall Mods" link you've kindly posted, I think THIS is where things have gone wrong. I've been turning mods off all over the place TRYING to find the cause of the crashes. The irony being, it seems I've made matters much worse. By using saves that relied on these mods.

 

Now I know how to sort the load order, make these patches, clean Mods, and what NOT to do, I think the best solution is to reinstall everything from scratch. In the RIGHT order. Personally I think my game is beyond repair.

 

Would you suggest this is the best course of action?

 

Thanks again for the help, and advice, and I'll let you know how I get on.

 

Andy.

[Skateboards]

The obvious culprit is seems to be running out of memory.
Sheson's memory patch and ENBoost will probably solve it, the memory patch has been built into SKSE now and it's as simple as adding the following lines to your SKSE.ini located at Skyrim/Data/SKSE (if it's not there, make a text document and rename it to SKSE.ini)

[Memory]

DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=512

ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

The numeric value for DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB varies from rig to rig but 512 is a safe bet imo. Increase by 256 if you're still crashing

If that doesn't help try adding ENBoost too.

If those don't help, you will need to troubleshoot further.

PS: A great stress test for your rig is typing "player.forceav speedmult 1200" into the console, and then using tcl to fly around the map at great speeds. If you crash, whoops! You ran out of memory.
After applying the memory patch and enboost you should be able to fly around the map at that speed without any problems at all.

[LeddBate]

Thanks LeddBate of the thorough reply.

 

To answer some of your questions.

 

Yes, I'm running SKSE, however I didn't watch Gophers installation guide. I cant remember how I installed it now, but it seems to be running okay.

If I REINSTALL SKSE as described in the video, in case I messed up the installation, what effect will reinstalling it have? Will it affect the game, mods etc?

 

To answer your next question, My PC specs are as follows.

 

• i5 6400 2.7 quad-core
• 8GB RAM
• 2 onboard GFX chips.

  1. Intel HD 530 1GB. This is what Skyrim defaults to, and I cant seem to be able to change it.

  2. Radeon R5 M320 2GB. This is obviously the one I would like, and need to use.

 

Andy.

 

Your CPU is certainly brawny enough for Oldrim. The problem is your graphics chipsets. I refer to these as "mini-me" graphic cards. No matter what their proponents say, it doesn't change the fact that they have sooo little memory. The suggestions Lukezekee gave will certainly help, but your main problem is that you're trying to run a ton of HD texture mods on chipsets that simply don't have the umph.

 

Okay, what is your mobo brand and model? Also, what is your PSU brand and wattage? I'll try to suggest a good budget GPU (a REAL graphics card, that is) that will give you enough speed AND a minimum of 4GB of VRAM.

 

Edit: Whoops! Just realized that these chipsets are found in both desktops AND notebooks. Which do you have?

Edited April 15, 2017 by LeddBate

[nagrom2608]

 

Thanks LeddBate of the thorough reply.

 

To answer some of your questions.

 

Yes, I'm running SKSE, however I didn't watch Gophers installation guide. I cant remember how I installed it now, but it seems to be running okay.

If I REINSTALL SKSE as described in the video, in case I messed up the installation, what effect will reinstalling it have? Will it affect the game, mods etc?

 

To answer your next question, My PC specs are as follows.

 

• i5 6400 2.7 quad-core
• 8GB RAM
• 2 onboard GFX chips.

  1. Intel HD 530 1GB. This is what Skyrim defaults to, and I cant seem to be able to change it.

  2. Radeon R5 M320 2GB. This is obviously the one I would like, and need to use.

 

Andy.

 

Your CPU is certainly brawny enough for Oldrim. The problem is your graphics chipsets. I refer to these as "mini-me" graphic cards. No matter what their proponents say, it doesn't change the fact that they have sooo little memory. The suggestions Lukezekee gave will certainly help, but your main problem is that you're trying to run a ton of HD texture mods on chipsets that simply don't have the umph.

 

Okay, what is your mobo brand and model? Also, what is your PSU brand and wattage? I'll try to suggest a good budget GPU (a REAL graphics card, that is) that will give you enough speed AND a minimum of 4GB of VRAM.

 

Edit: Whoops! Just realized that these chipsets are found in both desktops AND notebooks. Which do you have?

 

 

I have been looking at getting a 4gb card soon. Unfortunatly finances aren't great at the moment.

 

The wierd thing is Skyrim always defaults to the intel 1gb chipset. The 2gb Radeon doesn't even show up in the "Graphics Adapter" options. I've even gone into device manger, and disabled the intel one. Trying to force Skyrim to use the Radeon one. However, the Graphics Adapter list then displayes "Microsoft Basic Graphics Processor". The game then plays like a dead dog. I have no idea how to get Skyrim to recognise the Radeon card. Surely 2gb is better than 1?

 

To answer your questions. My MoBo is a Pegatron Odense. The PSU is a measly 180w, so that's a DEFINATE upgrade. Also its a desktop.

 

If it helps any, this is my exact PC. https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04835128

 

I'll reduce the graphics quality for now. Hopefully, that'll reduce the strain on the chipset, and the amount of CTD's I'm having.

 

Thanks again.

Edited April 15, 2017 by nagrom2608

[LeddBate]

Thanks for the info.

 

Your problem with Skyrim not being able to recognize your 2GB card is beyond me. But then I've never had two (different) GPU chipsets plugged in. And even if you could get it to go to the 2GB card, it wouldn't be much better. 3GB or better is what you need for a modded Skyrim. Wait a moment. I see the the R5 plugging into the smaller bus, but, is the Intel HD simply the "integrated graphics" on your mobo? If so, the Intel graphics chipset should have been deactivated when the R5 was plugged in. I don't think this is a Skyrim issue. It's possible that the R5 is NOT overriding the Intel because it is in the smaller bus... maybe? I'm outa my league here. All I know for certain is that if you plug a "real" GPU into the PCI-e slot, that should shut off the Intel integrated graphics and force all programs (including Skyrim) to use the GPU instead. If you have access to a professional troubleshooter, you might want to get this issue checked out. They may be able to get your R5 working for you.

 

Anyway, let's see what I can suggest that might help you with getting a real graphics card AND perhaps be within your budget range (or be within it in a reasonable amount of time.)

 

HP, huh? Blech. I refer to their OEMs as "Highly Problematical." But griping isn't helping you, so lets break this down...

 

MOBO: Okay, it has a PCI-e x16 slot. So you're good-to-go for getting a GPU upgrade. The only issue that MIGHT be a problem for you is the space available in your PC's case. Measure the area around your PCI-e slot to see how much height from the motherboard you have and how much length (measuring from the IO back-plate) you have. It would absolutely suck for you to buy the perfect GPU upgrade, only to find that it doesn't physically fit in the case.

 

PSU: 180 W uATX Energy Star 6.0. This is basically a "no-name" generic PSU that HP uses in their OEMs. The one thing going for it is that I haven't heard people complaining about their PSUs going "snap-crackle-pop" like so many cheap PSUs are prone to do. However, there's no getting around that 180 watts. You are going to need a at least a 300 watt PSU to power a real GPU -and I highly, HIGHLY recommend getting a 450 watt one if you suddenly decide to upgrade your GPU to a heavy hitter (like the GTX 1080.)

 

Soooo, lets see what we can find for you. Uhm, do you live in the UK? I ask because the HP Pavilion 550-153na seems to be sold in the UK. If that's where you live, I'd try to see if my suggestions, or something similar, are available through your local retailers rather than getting shipped from the U.S.

 

GPU: The EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti is a nice compact little beast. It can't hold a candle to cards like the 1070 or higher, but it blows your R5 out of the water with a minimum energy footprint and should easily fit in your case. Since it only draws about 75 watts at peak, a smaller PSU will still work for you. Just not that tiny little 180 watt you've got. Which brings us to...

 

PSU: Well.... The Athena Power AP-MP4ATX30 300W is an official PSU upgrade for HP machines, but it costs $64 dollars here in the U.S. However, the Corsair CX series CX430 430W is not only more powerful, with a 80+ bronze rating, but is much cheaper at $50 dollars. However, you will need to check to see if it will fit in your case. I can't tell if the Athena Power PSU is smaller, but it might be.

 

tl/dr; have someone with hardware experience check to see if your R5 is supplanting your integrated graphics (like it's supposed to do.) If it's not, get that fixed and you'll be able to play Skyrim a bit better with 2GB of VRAM. But not much better. Get a good, budget GPU to go into your PCI-e slot and upgrade your 180 watt power supply to a minimum of 300 watts.

[nagrom2608]

Thanks for the quick reply again.

 

The REALLY weird thing is, and this is something I've NEVER seen in all my years of building PC's, is the graphics card doesn't have any rear video connectors. It seems to reroute the processing data through the MOBO. As there are two on there. Both HDMI. I have two monitors connected, and when I disabled the intel chipset, my SECONDARY monitor did turn off. This could be a possible explanation fopr Skyrim NOT seeing the Radeon one. Though the drivers are installed, and up to date.

 

I'm hoping there's a beefier PSU in my old case. As I remember upgrading the GPU on that a few years ago.

 

Andy.