Getting exterior CTDs, desperately need help.

[peterthelemon]

Hi all,

 

I've been getting frequent exterior CTDs and I've been trying to figure this out for ages. I've even considered dropping SSE in favour of oldrim, but I'm hoping you guys can help me.

 

I've tried multiple different new games, sacrificed a bunch of mods to try get things working and googled my a** off to no avail. I just keep getting exterior CTDs after a few hours of play. The game tricks me into thinking all is ok and BOOM... CTD!!!

 

Just FYI, everytime I remove/add a new mod I verify my game files and start a new game, making all this much more excruciatingly painful...

 

My Load Order:

 

 

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1
Ordinator 20 More Perk Points.esp=1
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp=1
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp=1
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1.esp=1
BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1-SV.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp=1
DaedricPunishmentForSweetrolls.esp=1
WinterstoneCastle.esp=1
MoonstoneCastle.esp=1
DaedricCastle.esp=1
SolsticeCastle.esp=1
R246 Female Presets.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp=1
Daedric Reaper Armor.esp=1
Gwelda Armor Pack.esp=1
Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp=1
Merta Assassin Armor.esp=1
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp=1
Ursine Armor Pack.esp=1
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp=1
SGEyebrows.esp=1
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp=1
Book of UUNP-CloaksSkyrim Patch.esp=1
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp=1
Celes Nightingale Armor.esp=1
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp=1
Ars Metallica.esp=1
Better Vampires.esp=1
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp=1
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp=1
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1
Improved Gauldur Amulet Locked.esp=1
iNeed.esp=1
iNeed - Extended.esp=1
LevelersTower.esp=1
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1
Rebalanced Leveled Lists.esp=1
reflection-levelupmessages.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp=1
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
RuptureCraftSoulGems.esp=1
notice board.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
BetterTreasuryHouse.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp=1
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp=0
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp=1
Book of UUNP-Robe and Heels Patch.esp=0

 

 

Any help would be appreciated, I really miss playing skyrim without heart-wrenching CTDs... :sad:

[LeddBate]

Do you use LOOT?

[peterthelemon]

Thanks for the reply. Just gave that a go, sorted my load order, but still got a crash. Should I start another new game?

Edited May 24, 2017 by peterthelemon

[LeddBate]

Maybe not... First lets try some troubleshooting.

 

Basic Troubleshooting:

Here are some things you should consider when you add more than a handful of mods:

 

1) Mod Conflicts. If your Skyrim crashes to the destop (CTD) the moment the loading screen appears, it is very likely you have a mod conflict. Add only one or two mods at a time (and test them) to avoid having to plow through dozens of mods trying to find the one that's causing your game to crash. Also, RTFM. Mod authors WILL tell you what other mods (and/or types of mods) that their mod conflicts with. But that doesn't do you any good if you don't read that info before installing. Sometimes a patch is available to prevent a ctd from happening (or to prevent the mod from conflicting in some other way, like overwriting some scenery and causing weird in-game effects like floating trees and Mammoths raining from the sky. (Yes, that happens.)

 

2) Overwrites. When NMM installs mods, it will often stop and ask you a question like: "Do you want this mod to install (whatever) over (whatever) that already exists due to (whatever)? with about eight different options. Again, many mod authors will tell you what options to choose when installing their mod. When those instructions are not present, I've found it is usually best to answer "Yes to all" or the equivalent answer offered.

 

3) Load Order. Load order is literally the order that the mods are loaded into your game. This is just as important as overwrites. A "poor" load order will cause lots of issues ranging from weird in-game effects to CTDs. You can manually alter your load order in the "Plug-In" tab of NMM, but there's a better way. Download LOOT and install it. Point it at your directory where your mods are and let LOOT sort them. Not only will LOOT give you a better load order, but it will warn you about mods that need "cleaning" of dirty edits in them.

 

Advanced Troubleshooting: (NOTE: This reference is for Skyrim Legendary Edition. Therefore, ignore references to SKSE and mods that have not yet been ported.)

Now here's an advanced guide for troubleshooting your game. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

[thumbincubation]

This is by no means my strong point, but I believe the author of Amazing Follower Tweaks recommends it being at or near the bottom of the load order. I do not know if this would just change how serviceable the mod itself is, or if it could cause crashes, though.

[peterthelemon]

@LeddBate So, I'm pretty familiar with the info you posted already, but I did read through it all. I checked the dangerous mods list and I have one low level danger mod (Aquisitive soul gems multithreaded), but I haven't noticed the issues this mod is said to cause.

 

@thumbincubation After sorting my LO with LOOT, it placed AFT in the middle somewhere. I could definately move it down and give it a go.

 

Just a quick note, I attached my Papryus log and before the crash there are a bunch of errors from Better Vampires. I didn't think much of them 'cause I've always read that the errors are common debug logs mostly.

 

Here's my new LO after it was sorted, I'm going to try removing more mods and doing some trial and error again urgh. Thanks for the help guys!

 

New Load Order:

 

 

 

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
Ordinator 20 More Perk Points.esp=1
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp=1
iNeed.esp=1
iNeed - Extended.esp=1
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
MoonstoneCastle.esp=1
WinterstoneCastle.esp=1
SolsticeCastle.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp=1
DaedricCastle.esp=1
notice board.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
LevelersTower.esp=1
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp=1
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1-SV.esp=1
BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp=1
DaedricPunishmentForSweetrolls.esp=1
R246 Female Presets.esp=1
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp=1
Daedric Reaper Armor.esp=1
Gwelda Armor Pack.esp=1
Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp=1
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp=1
Ursine Armor Pack.esp=1
SGEyebrows.esp=1
Book of UUNP-CloaksSkyrim Patch.esp=1
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp=1
Celes Nightingale Armor.esp=1
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp=1
Better Vampires.esp=1
Ars Metallica.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
Merta Assassin Armor.esp=1
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp=1
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp=1
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp=1
Improved Gauldur Amulet Locked.esp=1
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1
Rebalanced Leveled Lists.esp=1
reflection-levelupmessages.esp=1
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp=1
RuptureCraftSoulGems.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
BetterTreasuryHouse.esp=1
Book of UUNP-Robe and Heels Patch.esp=0
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp=1
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp=1
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp=0

 

 

Edited May 25, 2017 by peterthelemon