CTD when exiting Alternate Start dungeon

[maja_ldm]

I'm experiencing immediate CTD when loading the exterior from the dungeon start of Alternate Start (or immediately after exiting the sewers, or when entering/exiting the world map would still crash the game).

 

Selecting the vanilla carriage intro from the Alternate Start statue would work if I deactivated the Immersive Armor mod, otherwise it would crash after a few lines of dialogue.

 

In Mod Organizer I first run TES5Edit (select all plugins, create merged list, delete leveled list, save as merged patch), then I run DSR Patch (but I don't activate it until after creating the bashed patch), create my bashed patch with Wrye Bash (follow all suggestions, activate all includes and the leveled list, deactivate the merged option), activate tes5merged, DSR Patch and Bashed Patch.

 

I set the Vsync to "Use the 3D application setting" and the FPS limiter to "[~]59.7fps" in NVIDIA Profile Inspector.

 

I set the speakers and headphones to "24 bit, 48000 Hz".

 

The attachment is a picture of the autosave just out of the dungeon, following is my load order BEFORE creating a merged list, a bashed patch and running the external patches:

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp
moonpath.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
TouringCarriages.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
ContinueGameNoCrash.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Regional Snow Ice.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
immersive roads.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
CinematicFireFX.esp
Point The Way.esp
Campsite.esp
MVABasic.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Improved Adoptions.esp
Beautiful Whiterun.esp
HelmetToggle.esp
SkyUI.esp
Extended UI.esp
iHUD.esp
NPC_Overhaul_V_2_.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
JaxonzNamedSave.esp
ViewableFactionRanks.esp
ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
DesyncBirdsOfPrey.esp
Purewaters.esp
WetandCold.esp
Improved Adoptions DLC houses.esp
fallentreebridges.esp
WhiterunExterior.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
ELFX - Moonpath.esp
SolitudeExterior.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
dunmerlantern.esp
MageBackpack_byTumbajamba.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Extended Encounters.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
Equippable Tomes.esp
Skyrim_Ice_Shader_Fix.esp
summersetisles.esp
iNeed.esp
RealisticWhiterun.esp
FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp
Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp
NARC-Falskaar.esp
NARC-FalskaarConsistencyPatch.esp
towConversation.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
YOT - Hunterborn.esp
YOT - iNeed.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
FGT.esp
GoToBed.esp
No More Glowing Edges.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
TC-CRF.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
HighHrothgarWindowGlow.esp
YOT - Moonlight Tales.esp
Smoking Candles.esp
Smoking Torches.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
ISC CCF Patch.esp
ISC WAFR Patch.esp
ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
ADS.esp
Clanking Armor.esp
DragonRealShout.esp
Vivid Weathers.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
randomthunder.esp
FSS-No pause between lines.esp
FSS-Slight pause between lines.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Animations.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
YOT - Moonlight Tales Essentials.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp
Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
Vivid Weathers - Falskaar.esp
Vivid Weathers - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp
Vivid Weathers - Summerset.esp
Vivid Weathers - Wyrmstooth.esp
Aeon Enb.esp
Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by maja_ldm

[ymf331]

one thing i can see right away is that elfx weathers and supreme fog aren't compatible with vivid weathers. i don't see the point in enabling both vsync and the frame limiter. i wouldn't use an automatically generated merged patch, more than anything. if you ask me that's like asking for your game to crash.

Edited June 10, 2017 by ymf331

[maja_ldm]

I removed the conflicting weather mods (now I have Vivid Weathers, no Supreme Fog and no Enhanced Weather FX), but the problem is still there: as soon as I open the world map Skyrim crashes to desktop.

 

 

i wouldn't use an automatically generated merged patch, more than anything. if you ask me that's like asking for your game to crash.

 

Do you mean the TES5Edit merged patch? What should I do instead?

Edited June 10, 2017 by maja_ldm

[ymf331]

well an automated script that merges records from 100 plugins is probably going to screw something up. loot and automated patches are easy, so they're good for slapping a few mods on, but once you get into that many you're looking at a fairly time-consuming process if you want to be sure not to ctd. first i'd recommend carefully setting up enboost, crash fixes, and project optimization. there are some special instructions so the descriptions are fairly important, but it'll make things more stable to begin with. if you still crash after that, you may have to look through the plugins and do some manual sorting. at the very least if you still want a merged patch i'd look and make sure it's not merging anything it shouldn't.

 

sorry, but i already typed this a little bit ago so i'm gonna' copy and paste it for ya'. it's just a way for you to pinpoint any problems you have in case nobody else can tell you, like one of those "teach a man to fish" type of responses. i'll try to answer any questions if i can though.

 

open up tes5edit, and load up all of your plugins. once that's done, in the list of plugins over to the left, right-click in the empty space and select "apply filter". the default selections should work, but in the upper-hand left under "by conflict status overall" uncheck the first and fourth boxes that say "single record" and "override without conflict" so you don't have to wade through them. all the other boxes, leave checked. push the button that says "filter" and wait until it's done. all the records you still see are conflicts of varying severity. some will crash your game, and some will just make parts of a mod not work. others you probably wouldn't even notice.

 

from here, i'd recommend just browsing through and seeing what's going on. hopefully you can find something that's obviously just in the wrong order or maybe causes enough problems that you decide to live without it. also maybe you can search to see if patches exist between some of the mods.

Edited June 10, 2017 by ymf331

[maja_ldm]

from here, I'd recommend just browsing through and seeing what's going on. hopefully you can find something that's obviously just in the wrong order or maybe causes enough problems that you decide to live without it. also maybe you can search to see if patches exist between some of the mods.

 

 

Honestly I don't understand anything of what I'm seeing, where can I find the instructions for TES5Edit?

 

What do the different colors mean, for example?

Edited June 11, 2017 by maja_ldm

[ymf331]

it is a lot to take in all at once, which is why i was just recommending it as reference for your troubleshooting needs unless you want to dig into it all.

 

http://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=TES5Edit_Documentation has a chart in section 4.4

 

the olive-looking ones are usually an itm record overwriting something and usually need fixed, but sometimes i've even had to make a green plugin red when i was patching mods.