Skyrim crashes when I go outside/enter town.

[ArribaMr]

Hello, like the title says the game crashes everytime I try to go into a town.

 

I'll list the load order below.

I've cleaned everything with tes5edit and according to LOOT everything is fine.

 

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GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=0

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1

Falskaar.esm=1

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1

Campfire.esm=1

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1

notice board.esp=1

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1

HighResTexturePack01.esp=1

HighResTexturePack02.esp=1

HighResTexturePack03.esp=1

Cutting Room Floor.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1

RealisticRoomRental.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

immersive roads.esp=1

JKs Skyrim.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1

ELFXEnhancer.esp=1

RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1

Undeath.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1

Armored Skeleton.esp=1

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp=1

Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp=1

CoT - Water Patch.esp=1

Vividian - Extended Groundfogs - CoT.esp=1

ELFX - Weathers.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1

Differently Ebony.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp=1

Convenient Horses.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1

dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1

WetandCold.esp=1

WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1

Sithis Armour.esp=1

honedmetal.esp=1

Better Vampires.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp=1

fallentreebridges.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1

Immersive Patrols II.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp=1

Frostfall.esp=1

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1

Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp=1

SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1

ElysiumEstate.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

Vampirelordroyal.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp=1

Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp=1

BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp=1

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1

TAotB - New Facial Hairs.esp=1

Beards.esp=1

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp=1

Real Roads.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp=1

ETaC - Complete.esp=1

ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp=1

Immersive Solstheim.esp=1

Immersive Whiterun.esp=1

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Thank you in advance :smile:

Edited June 23, 2017 by ArribaMr

[ArribaMr]

Apparently also crashes when I open my inventory!

[LeddBate]

Judging by your load order, I think you might be pushing your rig too hard. Please list your rig's stats. Be sure to list GPU stats completely. Also what OS you are using.

[ArribaMr]

I'm using an i5-4690k 3.5 GHz and a GTX 970 with 4 gb vram. 8 gb ram and running skyrim on the SSD. My OS is windows 10.

 

The game crashes as soon as the loading screen initializes if you get what I mean..

Edited June 24, 2017 by ArribaMr

[LeddBate]

Okay, your rig is just fine. Almost identical to mine except I've got a 980.

Win 10 can only address 4GB of VRAM due to a limitation between it and DX 9 games, but this is hardly an issue as your GPU only has 4GB. That much VRAM is usually plenty for Oldrim.

 

Now, crashing right after the Bethesda logo? That's a sure sign of mod conflict. Alright, let's start with basic troubleshooting. If this doesn't help you, come back and we'll try more advanced stuff.

 

Here are some things you should consider when you add more than a handful of mods:

 

1) Mod Conflicts. If your Skyrim crashes to the destop (CTD) the moment the loading screen appears, it is very likely you have a mod conflict. Add only one or two mods at a time (and test them) to avoid having to plow through dozens of mods trying to find the one that's causing your game to crash. Also, RTFM. Mod authors WILL tell you what other mods (and/or types of mods) that their mod conflicts with. But that doesn't do you any good if you don't read that info before installing. Sometimes a patch is available to prevent a ctd from happening (or to prevent the mod from conflicting in some other way, like overwriting some scenery and causing weird in-game effects like floating trees and Mammoths raining from the sky. (Yes, that happens.)

 

2) Overwrites. When NMM installs mods, it will often stop and ask you a question like: "Do you want this mod to install (whatever) over (whatever) that already exists due to (whatever)? with about eight different options. Again, many mod authors will tell you what options to choose when installing their mod. When those instructions are not present, I've found it is usually best to answer "Yes to all" or the equivalent answer offered.

 

3) Load Order. Load order is literally the order that the mods are loaded into your game. This is just as important as overwrites. A "poor" load order will cause lots of issues ranging from weird in-game effects to CTDs. You can manually alter your load order in the "Plug-In" tab of NMM, but there's a better way. Download LOOT and install it. Point it at your directory where your mods are and let LOOT sort them. Not only will LOOT give you a better load order, but it will warn you about mods that need "cleaning" of dirty edits in them. And you can do that with TES5Edit. It's quite simple to use. However, be warned that some mods have INTENTIONAL dirty edits. Cleaning those mods will likely break them. How to know? Simple, the mod author will warn you if his/her mod has deliberate dirty edits.

 

4 SKSE. SKSE is short for "SKyrim Script Extender." Many popular mods use really cool and helpful interfaces like MCM (Mod Control Menus.) These mods require SKSE to function. Download SKSE and watch Gopher's video (linked in the description at the SKSE site) for what SKSE does exactly and how to install it. Don't worry, Gopher explains it clearly and concisely.

[ArribaMr]

Okay, your rig is just fine. Almost identical to mine except I've got a 980.

Win 10 can only address 4GB of VRAM due to a limitation between it and DX 9 games, but this is hardly an issue as your GPU only has 4GB. That much VRAM is usually plenty for Oldrim.

 

Now, crashing right after the Bethesda logo? That's a sure sign of mod conflict. Alright, let's start with basic troubleshooting. If this doesn't help you, come back and we'll try more advanced stuff.

 

Here are some things you should consider when you add more than a handful of mods:

 

1) Mod Conflicts. If your Skyrim crashes to the destop (CTD) the moment the loading screen appears, it is very likely you have a mod conflict. Add only one or two mods at a time (and test them) to avoid having to plow through dozens of mods trying to find the one that's causing your game to crash. Also, RTFM. Mod authors WILL tell you what other mods (and/or types of mods) that their mod conflicts with. But that doesn't do you any good if you don't read that info before installing. Sometimes a patch is available to prevent a ctd from happening (or to prevent the mod from conflicting in some other way, like overwriting some scenery and causing weird in-game effects like floating trees and Mammoths raining from the sky. (Yes, that happens.)

 

2) Overwrites. When NMM installs mods, it will often stop and ask you a question like: "Do you want this mod to install (whatever) over (whatever) that already exists due to (whatever)? with about eight different options. Again, many mod authors will tell you what options to choose when installing their mod. When those instructions are not present, I've found it is usually best to answer "Yes to all" or the equivalent answer offered.

 

3) Load Order. Load order is literally the order that the mods are loaded into your game. This is just as important as overwrites. A "poor" load order will cause lots of issues ranging from weird in-game effects to CTDs. You can manually alter your load order in the "Plug-In" tab of NMM, but there's a better way. Download LOOT and install it. Point it at your directory where your mods are and let LOOT sort them. Not only will LOOT give you a better load order, but it will warn you about mods that need "cleaning" of dirty edits in them. And you can do that with TES5Edit. It's quite simple to use. However, be warned that some mods have INTENTIONAL dirty edits. Cleaning those mods will likely break them. How to know? Simple, the mod author will warn you if his/her mod has deliberate dirty edits.

 

4 SKSE. SKSE is short for "SKyrim Script Extender." Many popular mods use really cool and helpful interfaces like MCM (Mod Control Menus.) These mods require SKSE to function. Download SKSE and watch Gopher's video (linked in the description at the SKSE site) for what SKSE does exactly and how to install it. Don't worry, Gopher explains it clearly and concisely.

 

 

I'll try enabling the mods a few at a time like you said, but the thing is I can play the game fine as long as I'm not inside a town. Whenever I try to enter one the game crashes when the loading screen initializes.

 

I've cleaned everything with TES5Edit and according to LOOT there are no conflicts :/

[LeddBate]

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant you were crashing after the Bethesda logo during start-up, not just after the lore screens while changing cells. My bad.

 

Okay, time to break out the big guns.

Now here's an advanced guide for troubleshooting your game. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

 

In addition to the above, I'll just mention that you have a lot of texture heavy mods in your load order. You might simply be exceeding the maximum 4GB of VRAM you have available. If nothing above stops your issues, try using lower resolution textures where your mods give you the option to do so. Example: If a mod uses 2K textures, but gives you the option of using 1K textures, try that. Also try playing at a lower resolution onscreen. Example, if you're playing at 1440p or better, try 1080p.

Edited June 25, 2017 by LeddBate

[ArribaMr]

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant you were crashing after the Bethesda logo during start-up, not just after the lore screens while changing cells. My bad.

 

Okay, time to break out the big guns.

Now here's an advanced guide for troubleshooting your game. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.

  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.

  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

 

In addition to the above, I'll just mention that you have a lot of texture heavy mods in your load order. You might simply be exceeding the maximum 4GB of VRAM you have available. If nothing above stops your issues, try using lower resolution textures where your mods give you the option to do so. Example: If a mod uses 2K textures, but gives you the option of using 1K textures, try that. Also try playing at a lower resolution onscreen. Example, if you're playing at 1440p or better, try 1080p.

 

I tried disabling all the mods and the game still crashes as soon as I try to enter/go near a town.

 

Next step is verifying the game cache I suppose, other than that I'm lost..

 

Edit: After reading a bit on that guide it seems it could be the enblocal.ini that messes up stuff, I'l try to look into that!

Edited June 25, 2017 by ArribaMr

[ArribaMr]

Alright... I've disabled everything and validated my game cache. The game still crashes under the same circumstances..

[LeddBate]

At this point, you might have to "nuke from orbit" and re-install everything.

 

I still suspect that you may be exceeding your VRAM when you try to load into a cell. When you re-install, try using lower-res textures in the mods where possible.