Mod Load Order & Question - Can someone help review?

[kvngreeley]

Hello, everyone. I am hoping that someone can look at my load order and tell me if it looks OK and maybe answer a couple of questions. I use Wyre Mash and MLOX. I also don't understand why MLOX would put the base game .esp files (Morrowind, Tribunal, Bloodmoon) lower in the order and not at the top. Here is the load order:

 

Archive 0=Tribunal.bsa
Archive 1=Bloodmoon.bsa
Archive 2=MW_Children_1_0.bsa
Archive 3=Complete Morrowind.bsa
Archive 4=Arvs-Spelun.bsa

 

[Game Files]
GameFile0=BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
GameFile1=Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
GameFile2=Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
GameFile3=Better Heads.esm
GameFile4=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile5=Bucklers_GoTY.esm
GameFile6=Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
GameFile7=MW_Children_1_0.esm
GameFile8=Morrowind Patch 1.6.5 Beta (BTB Edit).esm
GameFile9=Morrowind.esm
GameFile10=The Undead.esm
GameFile11=Tribunal.esm
GameFile12=Wyrmhaven.esm
GameFile13=3LV_Jessica_v2.2.esp
GameFile14=3shades.esp
GameFile15=A Dagon Fel House.esp
GameFile16=A Hermit's Request.esp
GameFile17=AOF_Undies.esp
GameFile18=Akaviri Seconds.esp
GameFile19=Alchemy Book_1.3.esp
GameFile20=Ald-ruhn Expansion 2.00.esp
GameFile21=Alladin's bottle_v3.esp
GameFile22=Amazon Tops.esp
GameFile23=Amulet of Scrye.esp
GameFile24=Ancient Foes.esp
GameFile25=Animal Skin Undergraments.esp
GameFile26=Anya's Directions.esp
GameFile27=Apothecary's Demise.ESP
GameFile28=Araweth's_CrossbowsV01.esp
GameFile29=AreaEffectArrows.esp
GameFile30=ArmoredRobes_NPC_Compilation.ESP
GameFile31=Arrow_Belts.esp
GameFile32=Arthmoors_Merchants.esp
GameFile33=Arvs-Spelun.ESP
GameFile34=Atronach Expansion X.ESP
GameFile35=BT_Lokken_child1.esp
GameFile36=BadKarma's Anjurin Chest.esp
GameFile37=BadKarma's and Leeloo's Serenity V2.0.esp
GameFile38=Bagel's Manor.ESP
GameFile39=Balconyhouse.esp
GameFile40=Balmora Manor.esp
GameFile41=Balmora Stronghold.ESP
GameFile42=Better Bodies.esp
GameFile43=Better Clothes_v1.1_nac.esp
GameFile44=Better Morrowind Armor DeFemm(o).ESP
GameFile45=Better Morrowind Armor.esp
GameFile46=Bisexual_v10EV.esp
GameFile47=Bitter_Island.esp
GameFile48=Black Clothes.esp
GameFile49=Blades Safe House.esp
GameFile50=Bloodthirst.ESP
GameFile51=Book of Disease.ESP
GameFile52=Caius Constant effect items.esp
GameFile53=Chainmail Tops+Slips 1.1.esp
GameFile54=Clean Aradia's Needle.esp
GameFile55=Clean Ascadian Styles.esp
GameFile56=Clean BB_Tshirt_and_Skirt.esp
GameFile57=Clean BadKarma Clothing Vendor.esp
GameFile58=Clean Bethaliz's Lefemm armor v2.esp
GameFile59=Clean Black Hand Bowset.esp
GameFile60=Clean Black Widow Robe.esp
GameFile61=Clean BloodDress.esp
GameFile62=Clean Copy Pens clothing mod 1.esp
GameFile63=Clean Gondor Ranger Armor.esp
GameFile64=Clean Histaang Forest V4.esp
GameFile65=Clean Pens Clothing Mod 2.esp
GameFile66=Clean Weapon Pak K3DG.esp
GameFile67=Clean_Staff Agency.esp
GameFile68=Cloak of Three.esp
GameFile69=CoM_Fix.ESP
GameFile70=CoM_em_outfits1.esp
GameFile71=CoM_rt_outfits.esp
GameFile72=Complete Armor Joints.esp
GameFile73=Complete Morrowind - Tribunal & Bloodmoon.esp
GameFile74=Constance's Amulet.esp
GameFile75=DN_necromancy.ESP
GameFile76=Daedric Throwing Weapons Mod.esp
GameFile77=Dark Castle.ESP
GameFile78=Dart Collection 1.02.esp
GameFile79=DualWeaponScripts.esp
GameFile80=DuelWeapons.esp
GameFile81=Dungeon Expansion Pack.ESP
GameFile82=Elemental Magicka II - MWSE Addon.ESP
GameFile83=Elemental Magicka II - Of Earth and Air.ESP
GameFile84=Elemental Magicka II - Of Fire and Frost.ESP
GameFile85=Elemental Magicka II.ESP
GameFile86=Emma_Imp_headp2.esp
GameFile87=Emma_bret_headp2.esp
GameFile88=Emma_highelf2.esp
GameFile89=Emma_nord_heads.esp
GameFile90=Emma_orc_f_heads1.esp
GameFile91=Emmas_Imperial_heads_1_0.esp
GameFile92=Emmas_breton_faces_1_0.esp
GameFile93=Emmas_dunmer_faces1_0.esp
GameFile94=Emmas_redguard_faces_1_0.esp
GameFile95=Emmas_woodelf_faces_1_0.esp
GameFile96=Eyren_Robes.esp
GameFile97=Floating_City_Ver1.esp
GameFile98=Forbidden Spells 1.1.ESP
GameFile99=Freedom of Aesthetics [+ Tribunal].esp
GameFile100=French Maid Outfit.esp
GameFile101=GS_ SEYDA NEEN BB MARKET.esp
GameFile102=GiftExchange1.2.esp
GameFile103=Gnisis Imperial Trader 1.0.esp
GameFile104=Golems.esp
GameFile105=Gothic Attire Complete.esp
GameFile106=GothicLolitaDresses FINAL.esp
GameFile107=Great Tribe of the Bear v1.21.esp
GameFile108=HideSugarHideSkooma+Tweaks+MCPfiltering.ESP
GameFile109=Hilgya Price Adjustment.ESP
GameFile110=Hilgya the Seamstress Expansion 1.esp
GameFile111=History of Shakri-esh ENG.ESP
GameFile112=Hlormaren Reclaimed.ESP
GameFile113=Home_v4.1.esp
GameFile114=House In a Bottle v1.0.esp
GameFile115=House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
GameFile116=House of Mannequins - Mistform fix.esp
GameFile117=House of Mannequins v1.0.esp
GameFile118=Hrazmah Tower full.esp
GameFile119=Hunter's Tower.ESP
GameFile120=Imperial Employment Office.esp
GameFile121=Imperial Legion Expansion.esp
GameFile122=Imperial Legion Goods.esp
GameFile123=Ixtaxh Sewers.ESP
GameFile124=Khuul Dock Home v1.0.esp
GameFile125=L&R [bracers + Gauntlets + Pauldrons].esp
GameFile126=LCLeopardOutfit1_1.esp
GameFile127=Ladies gowns and robes add on.esp
GameFile128=Landscape Waterfalls.ESP
GameFile129=LeFemmArmor.esp
GameFile130=LeFemmArmorFix.esp
GameFile131=Legionpapers.esp
GameFile132=Living Quarters.esp
GameFile133=Loincloth_top_ pkg2.esp
GameFile134=LootWellUrned.ESP
GameFile135=Lotus Moon - Ascadian Isles.esp
GameFile136=MM_Atronach.ESP
GameFile137=MM_MagicArtifacts.ESP
GameFile138=MM_SpellSounds.ESP
GameFile139=MW_family2_0.esp
GameFile140=Magical Missions.ESP
GameFile141=MasteringMagicka.esp
GameFile142=Mels Faces.ESP
GameFile143=Merged_Leveled_Lists.esp
GameFile144=Merged_Objects.esp
GameFile145=Meskoa_particle_weapons_1.0_EV.esp
GameFile146=Mini Magicka Ring Quest.esp
GameFile147=MistysTigerOutfit.esp
GameFile148=Moonmoth Legion Home 1.4.esp
GameFile149=More Barter Gold v1.ESP
GameFile150=MultiMarkOMW-MysticismBalance-1.1.esp
GameFile151=MultiMarkOMW.esp
GameFile152=Myrabell's Clothing Emporium.esp
GameFile153=NG_New_Carnithus'_Armamentarium.esp
GameFile154=NightelfBB108 eng.esp
GameFile155=Pelagiad Guard Tower Home.esp
GameFile156=Pelagiad Smith 1.0.esp
GameFile157=PickFreeSlavev1.2.ESP
GameFile158=Pirate Outfit by Mandamus.ESP
GameFile159=Pirates and Smugglers.ESP
GameFile160=PixieSwimwear.ESP
GameFile161=PlayableChildren2.0.esp
GameFile162=Port Hamvirr OV.ESP
GameFile163=Projectile Overhaul - Faster Magic Missiles.esp
GameFile164=Projectile Overhaul - Faster Projectiles.esp
GameFile165=Projectile Overhaul - Recovery Chance.esp
GameFile166=R-Zero's Creatorium Part 1 - Waters & Shores.ESP
GameFile167=Redaynia Village.esp
GameFile168=RestoreMagicka.ESP
GameFile169=Rift Town 2.5.esp
GameFile170=Ring of the Watcher.esp
GameFile171=Romance_Follow_v10EV.esp
GameFile172=Romance_v37EV.esp
GameFile173=SG-BB-for-beasts.esp
GameFile174=SH Heroines Outfits.ESP
GameFile175=Sat'hayaa Asnatanaa (Shimmering Palace II).ESP
GameFile176=Scamp Lord - Doppleganger 2.5.esp
GameFile177=Scripted_Spells.esp
GameFile178=Serabul.esp
GameFile179=Sexy Bonemold Armor.esp
GameFile180=Sexy Glass Armor v1.1.esp
GameFile181=Seyda Supplies 1.1.esp
GameFile182=SeydaNeenManorHouse.ESP
GameFile183=Siege at Firemoth.esp
GameFile184=Son Of A Noble v1.2.esp
GameFile185=Spriggans and Twiggans.ESP
GameFile186=Staff Agency.esp
GameFile187=Suran Supplies 1.1.esp
GameFile188=THTWG - Harder Version.esp
GameFile189=TML_LongbowOfTheElements_v11.esp
GameFile190=TRIB_witchgirladvent1.esp
GameFile191=Tel Morgana v1.11.esp
GameFile192=Tel Nechim.esp
GameFile193=The Broken Drum 1.01.esp
GameFile194=The Crimson Wire by Mandamus-EV1.0.esp
GameFile195=The Merchant Fendus.ESP
GameFile196=The Neverhalls.esp
GameFile197=The Sable Dragon 1.7.esp
GameFile198=Thief_quests.esp
GameFile199=Tigh High Boots 1.0.esp
GameFile200=Tome of Ancient Knowledge.esp
GameFile201=Trainer Log - AEA.esp
GameFile202=Trainer Log.esp
GameFile203=Tribun_Laura_3_0.esp
GameFile204=Tribunal House of Surprises.esp
GameFile205=Triss.esp
GameFile206=Ultimate_Kilts.esp
GameFile207=Underwater Mod.esp
GameFile208=VTA_TravelBM+Trib.esp
GameFile209=Vampire Amulet.esp
GameFile210=Vampire_Embrace.esp
GameFile211=Vivec Flat 2.0.esp
GameFile212=Vos Cottage 1.0.esp
GameFile213=WADO.ESP
GameFile214=Waalx Guenhwyvar.ESP
GameFile215=Welcome to Club Dagoth.ESP
GameFile216=Welcome to the Arena! v6.6.esp
GameFile217=WizThis_Facepack_3.esp
GameFile218=Wizthis_Clothing_pack01.esp
GameFile219=WolfCompwhite_ver3_0.esp
GameFile220=Xenn's Marksman Overhaul.ESP
GameFile221=ale_clothing_v0.esp
GameFile222=ale_clothing_v1.esp
GameFile223=bbsailorfuku2.5.esp
GameFile224=chemwar.esp
GameFile225=constance1_0.esp
GameFile226=cow_v13b.esp
GameFile227=emma_bret_heads3.esp
GameFile228=emma_highelf_fem_v1_0.esp
GameFile229=furu_lifetap.ESP
GameFile230=himmelryn.ESP
GameFile231=k7_arcane_archery.ESP
GameFile232=kaeH2HSpeedArmorModifiers.esp
GameFile233=laura_vembrace_fix.esp
GameFile234=md_liche_robe.ESP
GameFile235=sm_ForgottenHalls.esp
GameFile236=t_lostheir.esp
GameFile237=vash_trench.esp
GameFile238=victorian lace dress.esp
GameFile239=wm_Firemoth_IC.ESP

I am also getting a few warning messages:

 

Object "aradraen" not found for dialogue type Topic
Info "EMPTY"
Object "aradraen" not found for dialogue type Topic
Info "EMPTY"
Object "aradraen" not found for dialogue type Topic
Info "EMPTY"
Dialogue "" type "Journal" tried to become type "Topic".
Dialogue "" type "Journal" tried to become type "Topic".
Dialogue "" type "Journal" tried to become type "Topic".
Dialogue "" type "Journal" tried to become type "Topic".

 

Finally, I would love to use the Ebonheart Orphanage mod, but whenever I activate it, I get 50+ warning messages about 4 different NPCs and dialogue problems. In my last load order, before I completely uninstalled, reinstalled, and reloaded my mods, I moved the Orphanage mod to the end of the load order and all the warning messages went away except one about cdccompanion. However, moving it this time doesn't do anything.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I am especially concerned that my mod order isn't right and I won't know until I get far into the game.

 

Thanks!

 

[kvngreeley]

So, I am still wondering about the load order, but I fixed the warnings by disabling the Trainer Log mod and by opening and saving the Imperial Legion Expansion mod in CS. I saw that solution in another post to a similar question.

 

So the warnings are gone and I am still experimenting with the beginning of the game and turning off some beginning mods that I can readily verify as not being useful or duplicated.

 

I am still very curious about the load order and if anyone has any idea about how to make the Orphanage mod not give 50+ start up warnings.

 

Thanks!

[Dragon32]

Are you using the latest version of mlox (0.61)? You can download it from Nexus. That's got all the load order info in that I know of.

 

What you've posted isn't your load order. In morrowind.ini mods are listed in alphabetical order.

 

Do you have links to these mods causing problems?

[kvngreeley]

Thank you so much for your response! You already taught me something new! I thought that the .ini file showed the order the MLOX put the files in. I didn't notice that the .esm and .esp files were in alphabetical order. What was confusing was at the end of the list, there are .esp files that seem out of alphabetical order, maybe because they start with non-capital first letters?

 

Anyway, I was manually changing the order of a couple files in the .ini file, thinking that changed the load order, which apparently it doesn't! That would explain recurring problems with the Trainer Log and Fix mods.

 

I had no problem changing the load order when I was using NMM. My son showed me how to do that really easily. But with Wyre Mash or MLOX, I can't figure it out. Although I read that I could change the file date in Wyre Mash and that supposedly would do it. But if I use both Wyre Mash and MLOX I don't know which one is establishing the load order.

 

I figured out that NMM wasn't installing mods consistently with the readme files of the mods and it as creating a few problems. I did a complete reinstall and then manually added all of the mods again. Now I don't know how to change the load order!

 

I think I have resolved the previous listed warnings. At least I got rid of the dialog ones and the Aradraen ones will probably be resolved if I figure out how to change the load order of that specific mod. There is a Trainer Log and a Trainer Log Fix mod on Nexus.

 

Here is a link to the files for the 50+ warnings. The first is Children of Morrowind that is hosted on Emma's site. COM is needed to run the Ebonheart Orphanage mod. The second link is to the Orphanage mod, which is hosted on the mw.modhistory.com site.

 

http://lovkullen.net/Emma/kids

 

http://mw.modhistory.com/download-24-14091

 

I think all of the errors are happening with the Orphanage mod. These are the errors:

 

Object "1em_aIngemo" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Script variable "cdcCompanion" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aJulienne" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aIngemo" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aIngemo" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aJulienne" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aIngemo" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aJulienne" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_ananny" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aIngemo" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aJulienne" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aImhanni" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

Object "1em_aYrhan" not found for dialogue type Topic

Info "EMPTY"

 

Again, in my last load before reinstall, I fixed all of the dialogue errors by moving the orphanage mod to the end of the load order. The only warning remaining was the cdcCompanion warning.

 

I will go back to trying to find easy instructions on how to see and change my load order. But if you have a simple explanation, that would be greatly appreciated! Obviously, there is so much about this that I don't understand!

 

Thanks for any help that you can provide and for answering this post!

[Dragon32]

I'd recommend running mlox then hit the Update Load Order button.

 

Also read its Messages pane, there could be some things of interest in there.

 

Things named like this: "1em_aIngemo" are from Emma's mods (that's the prefix she uses) and cdc is CD Cooley.

 

Maybe these aren't for the latest version of Children of Morrowind?

GameFile69=CoM_Fix.ESP

GameFile70=CoM_em_outfits1.esp

GameFile71=CoM_rt_outfits.esp

[kvngreeley]

Thanks again! I'm pretty sure they are the latest versions. I think I also found the method to change the load order in MLOX. Apparently, I can create a file called mlox_user.txt and insert the following:

 

[Order]

Mod Name Y.esp

Mod Name B.esp

 

Now I just need to experiment to see if I am supposed to do multiple orders if there need to be multiple changes. Like leave a space and then create the next [Order] section.

 

I couldn't find any examples of multiple personal rules.

 

I will use Wyre Mash again to check for dependency issues, run mlox again to see if the order needs to be updated, look in the appropriate pane of mlox to see the load order, and then create the .txt file if needed. If so, I will run mlox again to see if the load order changes per the .txt instructions.

 

I will post back with the results.

 

Thanks again for your help!

[kvngreeley]

So in case this helps anyone, I used the mlox_user.txt file to move the Clean Orphanage mod to the very end of the load list. Unfortunately, I had to make it go after the merged objects and merged leveled lists because that was the only way to get it to the end. When I loaded the game, all of the warnings were gone.

 

The only warnings left are related to the Trainer Log mod and they don't seem to cause any problems.

 

Thanks for the previous responses!

[Dragon32]

Yep, that's the way to use mlox_user.txt

 

I've downloaded all the CoM mods I can find and slung them in my directory of mods to checkout for adding into mlox (~800 in there...)

 

I'd want to find the specific mod that Orphanage needs to load after rather than just throwing it at the end. If you ever do find out please let me know here.

 

One thing I noticed about Robert's add-on: "Please note: If you are using the Children of Morrowind main mod, you don’t have to use this mod, as all the outfits are already included in the main mod, and for sale at the Caldera Clothier."

 

Oh, did moving Orphanage remove the "Script variable "cdcCompanion" not found for dialogue type Topic[...]" message too?

[kvngreeley]

Yeah, both the Emma Oufits and Robert Outfits say if you have the COM v2 that you don't need the other mods because the clothes are already there. Unfortunately, in a test game, I checked Caldera, Suran, and Vivec but I couldn't find the clothes. When I added the separate clothes mods, I could find the clothes in Suran and Vivec, but still not in Caldera. Not sure why, but I mentioned it on the Emma forum. I haven't been able to check again in my newest test game yet.

 

Moving the orphanage mod to the end also removed the cdcCompanion warning message too.

 

Thanks!

[kvngreeley]

Also, if it matters because it seems that a lot of Emma's mods are linked, I also use the Playable Children mod, the Morrowind Family mod, and the Lokken family mod for the White Wolf mod. I also have many of the Emma companion mods.

 

Since I wasn't actually moving mods when I was editing the .ini file directly, I wonder if I just need to move the orphanage mod after all those other Emma based mods? Maybe I could put those mods in the order that MLOX defaults to and just put the orphanage mod at the end of the list. Something like:

 

[Order]

Mod D.esp

Mod H.esp

Mod T.esp

Clean Orphanage.esp

 

That would just tell MLOX to keep the other mods generally in the order it defaulted to, but to make sure the orphanage mod came last after those. Maybe?

 

Thanks!