Game Nonresponsive on Startup

[OracleOfThessia]

Hey there y'all, I just recently finished following the "Fear and Loathing in New Vegas" guide, including doing all the bash tag generation and creating the bashed patch. But when I start it up, the music starts playing and I'll sometimes see the first slide, but then it goes nonresponsive and doesn't do anything else. The process is still working in task manager using CPU and HDD, but it hangs on nonresponsive no matter how long I wait.

 

My load order (exported from LOOT) is:

  0  0 FalloutNV.esm
  1  1 DeadMoney.esm
  2  2 HonestHearts.esm
  3  3 OldWorldBlues.esm
  4  4 LonesomeRoad.esm
  5  5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
  6  6 ClassicPack.esm
  7  7 MercenaryPack.esm
  8  8 TribalPack.esm
  9  9 CaravanPack.esm
 10  a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
 11  b Sortomatic.esm
 12  c SomeguySeries.esm
 13  d SolidProject.esm
 14  e Ambient Temperature.esm
 15  f JIP Selective-Fire.esm
 16 10 Inventory Access.esm
 17 11 oHUD.esm
 18 12 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm
 19 13 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm
 20 14 NVInteriors_Core.esm
 21 15 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
 22 16 Tales from the Burning Sands.esm
 23 17 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm
 24 18 domecity.esm
 25 19 The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm
 26 1a NVWillow.esp
 27 1b NVInt_ARoomWithAView.esm
 28 1c Caliber.esm
 29 1d CaliberXhonesthearts.esm
 30 1e More Perks.esm
 31 1f Afterschool Special.esm
 32 20 Project Nevada - Core.esm
 33 21 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm
 34 22 FCOMaster.esm
 35 23 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
 36 24 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
 37 25 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
 38 26 D.E.I.M.O.S..esm
 39 27 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
 40 28 NevadaSkies.esm
 41 29 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm
 42 2a CaliberXgunrunners.esm
 43 2b GRARG.esm
       YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
 44 2c Game Tweaks.esp
 45 2d Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
 46 2e DarNifiedUINV.esp
 47 2f FPSWeaponWheel.esp
 48 30 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
 49 31 JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
 50 32 Jump Fall Fixer.esp
 51 33 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
 52 34 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
 53 35 FlashlightNVSE.esp
 54 36 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
 55 37 Sortomatic_for_House_of_the_Chef.esp
 56 38 CASM with MCM.esp
 57 39 Real Recoil.esp
 58 3a LootMenu.esp
 59 3b Vurt's WFO.esp
 60 3c Cut Content Merged.esp
 61 3d TankGirl Nick Valentine.esp
       NVWillow - Project Nevada Rebalance.esp
       Roberts_NewVegas.esp
 62 3e Better Burned Man.esp
       DeadMoneyFemaleTuxedo.esp
 63 3f Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp
       FCO - NPC Changes.esp
 64 40 Yuki Merged Mods.esp
 65 41 Project Nevada - All DLC.esp
 66 42 EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp
 67 43 WeaponModsExpanded.esp
 68 44 Gameplay Mods Merged.esp
 69 45 vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
 70 46 All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
 71 47 WMX-DLCMerged.esp
 72 48 Project Nevada - WMX.esp
 73 49 YUP-WMX-PN-PNEO Patch.esp
       Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
 74 4a Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.esp
 75 4b EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp
 76 4c FO4-FNVPorts.esp
       Unofficial Patch Plus - Project Nevada Patch.esp
 77 4d MiscItemIconsNV.esp
 78 4e Machienzo Merged Mods.esp
 79 4f NewVegasBounties.esp
 80 50 NewVegasBountiesII.esp
 81 51 TheInheritance.esp
 82 52 ILO - Merged.esp
 83 53 1nivVSLArmors.esp
 84 54 Russell.esp
 85 55 Nevada Skies.esp
 86 56 ADAM Complete.esp
 87 57 ADAM - MERGE.esp
 88 58 Powered Power Armor.esp
 89 59 Ambient Temperature - Nevada Skies.esp
 90 5a OWB-Path Lights.esp
 91 5b KingOfTheRing.esp
 92 5c NewVegasKiller.esp
       NewVegasBountiesIII.esp
 93 5d Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
 94 5e BoomersGoBoom.esp
 95 5f Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
 96 60 Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp
       FCO - Afterschool Special.esp
       FCO - Beyond Boulder Dome.esp
       FCO - Roberts Patch.esp
       FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp
 97 61 FCO - Willow.esp
       FCO - Russell.esp
       YUP-Spice of Life Patch.esp
 98 62 1nivPNSLPatch.esp
 99 63 GreatKhanGreatOverhaul.esp
100 64 FO4PowerArmorReplacersWithDLC.esp
101 65 Book of Steel.esp
102 66 BrotherhoodReforged.esp
       FCO - OHSB NPC Edits.esp
       YUP-PPA Patch.esp
103 67 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp
104 68 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.CaliberX4+.Patch.esp
       GRA-WRP-Patch-Two_Unofficial.esp
105 69 Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp
106 6a WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp
       WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp
107 6b christinecos.esp
108 6c NukaCola-Ojo.esp
109 6d Holster.esp
110 6e dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
111 6f Ragdolls.esp
       UpgradesFromTheCommonwealth.esp
112 70 MojaveExtended100.esp
113 71 Conelrad 640-1240.esp
114 72 WMX-POPMerged.esp
       AWSO-WMX.esp
115 73 SimpleCassReplacer.esp
116 74 Radio Hotkey.esp
117 75 tmzLODadditions-NVInterriors.esp
118 76 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp
       FNVLODGen.esp
119 77 tmzLODadditions.esp
120 78 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I've also attached the .csv export of all my installed mods from Mod Organizer. I'm also using the Enhanced Shader ENB.

 

 

[M48A5]

141 files in the data folder, plus an enb is more than the game engine can handle. Unused plugins are counted, so remove them.

 

Are you using any file that would allow you to use more than 2GB of RAM? You should.

[dubiousintent]

All those "inactive" plugins need to be moved out of the game "Data" folder. The game is still loading them, and that can be causing a "missing master" error, AND they count against the plugin cap. (If LOOT is showing them, then they are present in the folder. "Ghosting" adds a ".ghost" end to the extension so LOOT and the game ignore them.) If they were "deactivated" by the "Bashed Patch", then you should have enabled "auto-ghosting" in the "Mods" Tab of Wrye Flash by right-clicking on the column header and choosing the option from the context menu BEFORE running "Mark Mergeable" and "Rebuild Patch". Please see the wiki "Bashed Patch file with Marked Mergeables" article.

Once that is done, if you are still having problems, see the 'Solutions to Starting the game problems' section in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

-Dubious-

[OracleOfThessia]

I'm using the 4GB patch, yes. I did the ghosting thing and rebuilt the patch, but there has been no change. It now get to the main menu background, but then it goes unresponsive again and never loads the actual menu. I also ran through the checks suggested by the "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide, to no avail. I'm not missing any masters, and I've re-run LOOT more times than I can count.

This is the current order according to LOOT:

0 0 FalloutNV.esm
1 1 DeadMoney.esm
2 2 HonestHearts.esm
3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm
4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm
5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
6 6 ClassicPack.esm
7 7 MercenaryPack.esm
8 8 TribalPack.esm
9 9 CaravanPack.esm
10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
11 b Sortomatic.esm
12 c SomeguySeries.esm
13 d SolidProject.esm
14 e Ambient Temperature.esm
15 f JIP Selective-Fire.esm
16 10 Inventory Access.esm
17 11 oHUD.esm
18 12 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm
19 13 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm
20 14 NVInteriors_Core.esm
21 15 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
22 16 Tales from the Burning Sands.esm
23 17 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm
24 18 domecity.esm
25 19 The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm
26 1a NVWillow.esp
27 1b NVInt_ARoomWithAView.esm
28 1c Caliber.esm
29 1d CaliberXhonesthearts.esm
30 1e More Perks.esm
31 1f Afterschool Special.esm
32 20 Project Nevada - Core.esm
33 21 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm
34 22 FCOMaster.esm
35 23 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
36 24 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
37 25 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
38 26 D.E.I.M.O.S..esm
39 27 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
40 28 NevadaSkies.esm
41 29 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm
42 2a CaliberXgunrunners.esm
43 2b GRARG.esm
44 2c Game Tweaks.esp
45 2d Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
46 2e DarNifiedUINV.esp
47 2f FPSWeaponWheel.esp
48 30 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
49 31 JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
50 32 Jump Fall Fixer.esp
51 33 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
52 34 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
53 35 FlashlightNVSE.esp
54 36 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
55 37 Sortomatic_for_House_of_the_Chef.esp
56 38 CASM with MCM.esp
57 39 Real Recoil.esp
58 3a LootMenu.esp
59 3b Vurt's WFO.esp
60 3c Cut Content Merged.esp
61 3d TankGirl Nick Valentine.esp
62 3e Better Burned Man.esp
63 3f Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp
64 40 Yuki Merged Mods.esp
65 41 Project Nevada - All DLC.esp
66 42 EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp
67 43 WeaponModsExpanded.esp
68 44 Gameplay Mods Merged.esp
69 45 vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
70 46 All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
71 47 WMX-DLCMerged.esp
72 48 Project Nevada - WMX.esp
73 49 YUP-WMX-PN-PNEO Patch.esp
74 4a Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
75 4b Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.esp
76 4c EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp
77 4d FO4-FNVPorts.esp
78 4e MiscItemIconsNV.esp
79 4f Machienzo Merged Mods.esp
80 50 Nevada Skies.esp
81 51 ADAM Complete.esp
82 52 ADAM - MERGE.esp
83 53 Powered Power Armor.esp
84 54 NewVegasBounties.esp
85 55 NewVegasBountiesII.esp
86 56 TheInheritance.esp
87 57 ILO - Merged.esp
88 58 Ambient Temperature - Nevada Skies.esp
89 59 OWB-Path Lights.esp
90 5a Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp
91 5b FCO - Willow.esp
92 5c 1nivVSLArmors.esp
93 5d Russell.esp
94 5e KingOfTheRing.esp
95 5f NewVegasKiller.esp
96 60 NewVegasBountiesIII.esp
97 61 Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
98 62 BoomersGoBoom.esp
99 63 Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
100 64 GreatKhanGreatOverhaul.esp
101 65 1nivPNSLPatch.esp
102 66 FO4PowerArmorReplacersWithDLC.esp
103 67 Book of Steel.esp
104 68 BrotherhoodReforged.esp
105 69 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp
106 6a Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.CaliberX4+.Patch.esp
107 6b Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp
108 6c WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp
109 6d christinecos.esp
110 6e NukaCola-Ojo.esp
111 6f Holster.esp
112 70 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
113 71 Ragdolls.esp
114 72 MojaveExtended100.esp
115 73 Conelrad 640-1240.esp
116 74 WMX-POPMerged.esp
117 75 SimpleCassReplacer.esp
118 76 Radio Hotkey.esp
119 77 tmzLODadditions-NVInterriors.esp
120 78 Unofficial Patch Plus - Project Nevada Patch.esp
121 79 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp
122 7a tmzLODadditions.esp
123 7b Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edit: Oh, and here is the log from FNVEdit when I use it to check for missing masters.

[dubiousintent]

Well, as it doesn't appear to be a "missing master" (which is the most common problem), please provide ALL the other information requested in the wiki "How to ask for help" article. In particular we want to know if you are installed into the default "C:\Program Files" folder tree.

 

As you said "I also ran through the checks suggested by the "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide, to no avail", I presume you meant the "Checklist". Did you enable and then check the NVSE Error log as detailed in "Checklist item #4"?

 

If you didn't go through the other suggestions in the 'Solutions to Starting the game problems' (even if they don't seem to apply, such as "Vanilla game" problems), do let me know, as they are the other common causes.

 

Assuming you did try those solutions, we need to look for less common causes.

 

See the "Fallout: New Vegas Mod Troubleshooting" sub-forum Fallout New Vegas Beginners Guide to modding thread ("sticky" at the top) about "orange boxes" in Wrye Flash indicating mods with conflicting load order of their "master files". This can also cause "hangs" similar to "missing masters".

 

Shutdown all the background apps you can, to include the Steam (or other) overlay, run in "offline mode" and disable anti-virus, etc.

See the 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu' solutions in the "Troubleshooting" guide.

 

-Dubious-

[OracleOfThessia]

Intel Core i5-4690K @ 3.50GHz

Geforce GTX 970, 4gb VRAM

1920x1080 monitor

10gb RAM

207GB HDD Free Space on installed drive

Desktop not Laptop

Windows 10, Up to date

Game installed to "D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Fallout New Vegas"

Game fully updated, with all DLCs

Using Mod Organizer

Using LOOT, TES5Edit, Wyre Flash NV, and Script Extenders (NVSE and JIP LN NVSE Plugin)

4GB Patch is applied

Game worked in initial testing after installing several mods (tested when recommended by Fear and Loathing guide)

Verified Local files and tested, no difference

There was nothing in the nvse.log file, and I couldn't check the "falloutnv_error.log" because for some reason it's "too big of a file for notepad++ to open".

I tried moving things around in Wyre to get rid of orange checks, but most of them just disagreed on what order the DLC should be in (I couldn't please all of them).

Speedfan reports no problems, and when I tried running with nothing else on (no antivirus, steam offline, etc) there was also no change.

[dubiousintent]

Thanks for the info. Everything looks good, so it's most likely your problem is the "orange checks"/"masters sort" mismatch problem.

 

The orange checks issue usually has to be resolved by using FNVEdit (xEdit/TES5Edit) with them, individually.

* Load the plugin in question into xEdit, which will automatically load the masters to that plugin as well.

* Once it has finished loading, in the left-hand pane right-click on the plugin filename and select "Sort Masters".

* Then left-click the "+" to the left of the plugin name to expand the categories, and select the "File Header".

- That category should be in bold type, indicating that has had a change to it's contents. (You probably will see other categories in bold as well. These were also changed so their records conform to the new mod indexes.)

- You should see the masters (in the right-hand pane) are now sorted to match the sequence in your load order (at least as xEdit has determined it).

* Close xEdit and save the plugin.

 

This plugin should now be a green checkbox in WF. You will want to copy this resorted file from the "Data" folder to the archive you use to install in the BAIN tab. (I usually create a "project" from the original downloaded file, and copy such resorted versions back into that project and "repackage to archive" for use in BAIN.)

 

Repeat the process for each plugin you can't otherwise get to green. Don't worry, this process works without issue for most mods. The only known issue is with "Project Nevada - Extra Options" and the solution is documented in the 'Issue: Recommended "Project Nevada" master file load order?' entry of the "Troubleshooting" guide.

 

The FalloutNV_Error.log probably has repeated sessions in it because it is not being closed properly due to your hang issue. Try renaming it before your next test and see if you can't get a more reasonable sized one. But the "nvse_error.log" is really the one of interest.

 

-Dubious-

Edited August 24, 2017 by dubiousintent

[OracleOfThessia]

Well, I did the fixing of the sorting, got all the boxes to green, rebuilt the patch.. And it's still doing it. No change whatsoever.

 

I also cleared the FalloutNV_Error.log and ran the game one time and checked it again - over a gigabyte after a single run. I couldn't find the nvse_error.log, but the nvse.log only has:

NVSE runtime: initialize (version = 5.1.2 040020D0 01D31D0017E7E3B5)
imagebase = 00400000
fallout root = D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Fallout New Vegas\
config path = D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Data\NVSE\nvse_config.ini

Should I just give up and wipe back to vanilla and start over?

 

(By the way, I really appreciate your taking the time to try and help me figure this out)

[dubiousintent]

You have to manually enable the NVSE_Error.log file before it will be created. That is detailed in "Checklist Item #4. The file will be created in the game root folder (Fallout New Vegas). If it isn't there, then either you are not getting to the point where NVSE is started (which the NVSE.LOG file is indicating it is), or you don't have logging enabled.

 

That size in the "FalloutNV_Error.log" is bad news. You have some massive problems when the game loads files. (Mine is only 250KB.) You REALLY want to examine that file and see just what is going on (look for "error", ignoring case). Try a "file splitter" or an app designed to load very large (multi-GB) files. This article discusses several options and their pros and cons. But a general web search on "windows split large text file" will turn up a number of alternatives. In your specific case, you want something that will split based upon the end of a line ("CR/LF" ASCII code combo) or by "line number". Otherwise you could find yourself right back with the same problem

 

-Dubious-

Edited August 24, 2017 by dubiousintent

[OracleOfThessia]

It's working! I loaded up a log viewer that could view files bigger than 1GB, and I found out that 99.999999999% of that log file was the same line, over and over again:

 

"MASTERFILE: Unable to find form (56017185) on list form (5C00473E)."

So, I just disabled the mod ID 56 in my load order, which turned out to be Ambient Temperatures, and the game loaded up!