Kevin Spacey

[TheMastersSon]

If anyone was wondering whether a bottom exists to the pit of victim mentality, here's your answer:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41828874

 

It happened 30 years ago and according to all parties no sex or alcohol was involved, and the "injury" sustained by this male bimbo consisted entirely of waking up with Spacey's head on his stomach. Did any of us make it through the 80's without waking up with at least one stranger's head on our stomachs?

 

The more I read the more nauseated I get, because nothing so far with regard to Spacey legally qualifies as sexual assault, and these tales of horror just keep getting more and more ridiculous. Again so far, every one of these "victims" put themselves in their own situations entirely. So Spacey is being persecuted simply for being lonely.

 

I'm not sure what's up with these relentless organized attacks on people's ancient pasts and reputations, but at this point it's taken down everyone from Spacey to Roger Ailes and Trump's campaign manager. It appears to be the same hate-at-all-costs machine that outrageously but successfully blamed Joe Paterno for Pennsylvania's utterly corrupt and dysfunctional criminal justice system some years back. That episode taught me that, as great as our capacity is for good as a country, our capacity for blind hatred and evil is equally infinite. I've never looked at my country the same way since.

Edited November 1, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

If anyone was wondering whether a bottom exists to the pit of victim mentality, here's your answer:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41828874

 

It happened 30 years ago and according to all parties no sex or alcohol was involved, and the "injury" sustained by this male bimbo consisted entirely of waking up with Spacey's head on his stomach. Did any of us make it through the 80's without waking up with at least one stranger's head on our stomachs?

 

The more I read the more nauseated I get, because nothing so far with regard to Spacey legally qualifies as sexual assault, and these tales of horror just keep getting more and more ridiculous. Again so far, every one of these "victims" put themselves in their own situations entirely. So Spacey is being persecuted simply for being lonely.

 

I'm not sure what's up with these relentless organized attacks on people's ancient pasts and reputations, but at this point it's taken down everyone from Spacey to Roger Ailes and Trump's campaign manager. It appears to be the same hate-at-all-costs machine that outrageously but successfully blamed Joe Paterno for Pennsylvania's utterly corrupt and dysfunctional criminal justice system some years back. That episode taught me that, as great as our capacity is for good as a country, our capacity for blind hatred and evil is equally infinite. I've never looked at my country the same way since.

This ain't the country I grew up in. It's barely even recognizable. Unfortunately, I don't see the path changing, short of some MAJOR disaster/war.

[Beflire]

I'm sorry, are we just glossing over the fact that Kevin Spacey made sexual advances on a 14 year old boy? And there is a difference between waking up with a friend's head on your stomach and waking up with someone acting pushy and trying to coerce you into sex with their head on your stomach. Also, way to dehumanize him by calling him a bimbo, even though nothing supports that claim. You seem to have blind hatred when it comes to the victims. You have no idea the courage it takes to speak out about sexual harassment and assault, even years after the fact. And just because you think that it doesn't seem like much doesn't make it nothing. Edited November 29, 2017 by Beflire

[HeyYou]

I am real curious what's up with all the bandwagon jumping we have been seeing lately. Seems everyone and their cousin was molested, harassed, or raped some time in the past. Why is this all suddenly coming out now? If these incidents had been RECENT, I could see why the hue can cry is coming up, but, most of them were DECADES ago.......

 

Sorry to say, I see it is just a way for some folks to reassert whatever relevancy they thought they ever had.

 

And the folks claiming they were molested/propositioned/whathaveyou when they were 'under age', 30 or 40 years ago? We now seem willing to convict folks on what really amounts to hearsay. There is zero proof, no hard evidence, and there simply won't ever be any. So, some person claims that X 'did something' 40 years ago, and X's life/career is instantly destroyed. Wonder just how many of these claims that cannot be substantiated, are just that, false claims for revenge, or, just because they don't like the person.

 

Whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty IN A COURT OF LAW? Not the court of public opinion.

[Beflire]

It's not about convicting. It's about speaking out against people who feel entitled to do whatever they want no matter the feelings of other people. It's about alerting people to predatory actions famous people repeat over and over again without ever getting any repercussion.

 

What I don't get is why so many people seem to think they're doing it for attention or that they're making it up. As someone who studied psychology for 5 years, specifically the psychological effects of sexual assault and harassment, I know how hard it is to come out and say 'yes, this man hurt me.'. And as a victim of molestation myself, it disgusts me how much people harass the victims. You're wondering why they came out with it years later? It's because of people like you who say they're making it up, diminishing them by claiming it doesn't matter.

[HeyYou]

It's not about convicting. It's about speaking out against people who feel entitled to do whatever they want no matter the feelings of other people. It's about alerting people to predatory actions famous people repeat over and over again without ever getting any repercussion.

 

What I don't get is why so many people seem to think they're doing it for attention or that they're making it up. As someone who studied psychology for 5 years, specifically the psychological effects of sexual assault and harassment, I know how hard it is to come out and say 'yes, this man hurt me.'. And as a victim of molestation myself, it disgusts me how much people harass the victims. You're wondering why they came out with it years later? It's because of people like you who say they're making it up, diminishing them by claiming it doesn't matter.

I am not saying they are ALL making it up..... After all, a fair few of them are in Hollywood, a location know for less than stellar behavior.... the term 'casting couch' didn't just appear out of nowhere.....

 

I am just curious how you justify destroying someones life, merely by accusation. I thought we left england a couple centuries ago to get away from that kind of thing.

[Beflire]

They're getting accused so their careers are being damaged, that is your justification for attacking the victims? How about the fact that at least 90% of what people are being accused of they actually committed. Maybe if they didn't want their career to be destroyed they shouldn't have harassed those people in the first place? They're getting their just rewards. And besides, cry not for the accused, they have literally millions they can fall back on and live the rest of their lives comfortably. And if they have to sell their multimillion dollar houses, boohoo. The fact of the matter is that you're giving sympathy for people who have committed atrocious acts against other people simply because they felt they deserved to grope or intimidate others who aren't as powerful.

 

Oh, and we didn't leave England to escape persecution. We left so we could have the power to persecute whom we wanted. It wasn't about freedom for everyone, it was about how we wanted to be able to make the rules on what was freedom.

[HeyYou]

Right, guilty till proven innocent. Ok.

 

I am NOT attacking the victims. I am just asking you why you feel that these 'crimes' justify conviction with no due process. What happened to constitutional rights? Shall we start throwing folks in prison, merely because they are accused of a crime? Judging by your last post, you seem to think that would be just fine. So, what other rights would you like to take away?

[Beflire]

I'm not proposing we throw people in jail over accusations. I'm saying that you absolutely cannot make me feel pity for people who are taking advantage of their position to hurt others. Of this most recent bout of accusations, hardly any have resulted in an actual conviction. You seem to think that Hollywood blacklisting the people who are being accused means they instantly go to jail, have their life ruined, and are left penniless. That's not it at all. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the people accused get away without even facing much repercussion. They'll get Blacklisted for a few years, then make some sort of triumphant return stating 'I've changed. I'm a new person.' and that will be that. Meanwhile, they'll get to live off the millions they have saved, and if they haven't got savings then that's their problem. We've got a person running for senator who has been accused of molesting several young girls, and he's still running for a seat. Someone saying 'he grabbed my ass' isn't going to result in someone going to prison. But they still deserve blacklisting. Here's the thing about it, you can't prove it when it's 'he said she said', and if there's one side I'd rather be on, it's the victims, because statistics state that they are usually telling the truth.

[HeyYou]

I'm not proposing we throw people in jail over accusations. I'm saying that you absolutely cannot make me feel pity for people who are taking advantage of their position to hurt others. Of this most recent bout of accusations, hardly any have resulted in an actual conviction. You seem to think that Hollywood blacklisting the people who are being accused means they instantly go to jail, have their life ruined, and are left penniless. That's not it at all. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the people accused get away without even facing much repercussion. They'll get Blacklisted for a few years, then make some sort of triumphant return stating 'I've changed. I'm a new person.' and that will be that. Meanwhile, they'll get to live off the millions they have saved, and if they haven't got savings then that's their problem. We've got a person running for senator who has been accused of molesting several young girls, and he's still running for a seat. Someone saying 'he grabbed my ass' isn't going to result in someone going to prison. But they still deserve blacklisting. Here's the thing about it, you can't prove it when it's 'he said she said', and if there's one side I'd rather be on, it's the victims, because statistics state that they are usually telling the truth.

it isn't just hollywood though. There are other folks that are indeed having their lives ruined by the mere accusation of impropriety. Just read the news, you can't go a day without another new story about someone did something, and the media calls for their crucifixion. And those are just the cases that actually make the news. For each we see in the news, there are likely a hundred more that we don't.

 

So, let me ask you this: If one of your coworkers decided to accuse you of something, regardless of if you did it or not, should you be fired from your position, on JUST the basis of ONE persons allegations? As this is EXACTLY what is happening today, and a position you are advocating for.