Dry creeks esp. around Whiterun

[cmaesing]

I have been playing Skyrim for many years, also as SE (always modded, hence have some experience - although I wouldn't call myself an expert by no means).

 

That said ... with SKSE64 being out (in alpha, but still) ... I thought I would get prepared for another NG with newly released / updated mods. As I am testing my mods, I have noticed around Whiterun a bug that I seem to remember from past installs. I don't remember, however, if I ever got rid of - or simply accepted it.

 

Long story short: While rivers do show perfectly fine, there are areas e.g. around Whiterun where shallow creeks do not show any water, but are completely dry. This is especially noticeable in an area which STARTS with water ... then becomes dry ... then CONTINUES with water. I have attached a file which shows what I mean.

 

Of course the reason is one of my mods. But while I could try and go back to check individually which one is causing this, I was hoping that someone might point me into the right direction (as in "have a look which mod is modifying files 1 2 3").

 

Just fyi, my (as far as I can tell stable) mod order is quoted below.

 

Thanks for any insight!

 

 

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[Deleted2815227User]

I too have the same problem; and would like to see it fixed; but have not yet figured out what the problem is. Like you I have RealisticWaterTwo, and a few other mods that are the same; but I can't imagine the problem solely with RealisticWaterTwo; as I'd expect someone to have mentioned it at the mod itself, and thus subsequently fixed. The few mods we have in common those, I can't see how that could possibly remove water; my mods:

 

 

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[Kroekr]

I have no idea what mod is causing this but it could be caused by a wild edit. In Oldrim I had a beam spell mod which put a wild edit across the river from the Riverwood lumber mill. It caused a player home mod to lose it's backyard (crafting area). You can take the mods you have in common and load them up in SSEedit and filter for conflicts. This will show you what mods are affecting the area and causing the problem.

[twowolves80]

I would love to see a screen shot of said load in SSEEdit as I will soon be reloading Realistic Water Two, too. Please post results! :)

[Deleted2815227User]

Messing around with the mod order to try and fix a black face problem I'm heaving and I came across Realistic Water Two Open Cities patch, and I remember some of those dry ponds come out of the city; and for a moment I thought that maybe there's something going on with that its load order; but then I find you don't have open cities yet still the bug, so, that can't be it, can it?

Edited November 4, 2017 by Guest

[twowolves80]

Wait, you're running ELFX and RLO? Those may be conflicting...and I thought we didn't need the Brawl Bug Fix anymore? Wasn't that patched in USSEEP?

[Deleted2815227User]

I've tried turning off RLO, but still no water in the creeks.

 

Wasn't really expecting a change though, even if they were conflicting, they're both lighting mods; don't see how that has got something to do with the physical presence of the water.

Edited November 4, 2017 by Guest

[Kroekr]

When you walk through the dry areas, do you make splashing sounds or are you walking on dry land?

[twowolves80]

Wait, are you using NMM? You can't just switch load order in NMM, I think. I think it fails to "see" conflict priority the way MO does, so you can't just install mod A, then install mod B, and try to change the load order--you have to uninstall mod A if you want it to overwrite B, otherwise, it will still be overwritten by mod B, even if you change the load order. It's the one complaint of NMM users and why people have been so feisty when it comes to the hot-swapping of load orders and NMM.

Also, lighting overhauls can sometimes affect the appearance of water--but if you're making a splashing sound as you walk through where it's "dry," it means that it's there, the texture is just missing.

 

Also, did you run WryeBash? Any orange boxes?

[Deleted2815227User]

I didn't change the load order, I completely uninstalled the mod and started the game without the mod.

 

And no, no splashing, there is no water at all.

 

Any orange boxes in Wrye Bash have nothing to do with lighting or anything else environmental. There's two armor packs, that collect some oldrim armors over into SSE, that carry a few of the same armors, and some quest mods that alter/add stuff to the vanilla quests that are meant to have orange boxes.

Edited November 4, 2017 by Guest