I'm having a rather annoying issue (ANd I might have better luck finding a solution here than on the Discord)

[lithan1]

The other day I was just playing Oblivion with no issues when my game's framerate just suddenly plummets to like less than 1 FPS, and no matter what I do I can't get it back up, tried fast travelling, uninstalling several mods that are most likely to cause the issue and when reloading the game, the FPS would be normal for a second then drop, and it's only normal if there is some event that causes the game to pause, wether it be, well, pausing the game, opening the console, opening the inventory or opening the Race Menu, and even then that's a challenge with the framerate eating my imput

And the only definite solution i've found is to simply start a new game but who knows if that's a permanent solution

Here's my load order;

GameMode=Oblivion

Oblivion.esm=1

AWS-Core.esm=1

Cybiades.esm=1

All Natural Base.esm=1

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm=0

CM Partners.esm=1

Better Cities Resources.esm=1

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp=1

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp=1

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp=1

DLCShiveringIsles.esp=1

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp=1

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCThievesDen.esp=1

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp=1

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp=1

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCVileLair.esp=1

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCOrrery.esp=1

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCSpellTomes.esp=1

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCFrostcrag.esp=1

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

Knights.esp=1

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp=0

Initial Glow Redux - Creatures.esp=1

All Natural - Real Lights.esp=1

Better Cities Full.esp=1

Initial Glow Redux.esp=1

Oblivion Uncut.esp=1

Storms & Sound.esp=1

DLCFrostcragReborn.esp=1

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp=1

HeartOftheDead.esp=1

Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp=1

All Natural.esp=1

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp=1

Better Cities IC Arena.esp=0

Better Cities IC Market.esp=0

Reaper's Arcane University.esp=1

Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp=1

Better Cities IC Temple.esp=1

Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp=1

Cybiades.esp=1

Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp=1

Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp=1

Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp=1

Fall of the Ayleids.esp=1

IridumEyes2.0.esp=0

Better Cities IC Prison.esp=1

Malevolent.esp=1

All Natural Real Lights - Better Cities IC Patch.esp=1

The Last Queen Of The Ayleids.esp=1

Reaper's In Cold Blood Quest.esp=1

MannimarcoComplete.esp=1

CM Partners.esp=1

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp=1

DrakinRaces.esp=1

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp=1

_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp=1

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp=1

Dynamic Map.esp=1

CM Partners More NPCs.esp=1

The Mystery of the Dulan Cult.esp=1

MidasSpells.esp=1

MidasMagicCompanions.esp=0

VanillaCombatEnhanced.esp=1

VCEClassOverhaul.esp=1

All Natural - SI.esp=1

Dancer_Undress0_6-10194.esp=1

1Demons.esp=0

AWS-Water.esp=1

AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp=1

AWS-Main.esp=1

VipCxj_HighHeels.esp=1

GhostArmor.esp=1

VipCxjHHTest.esp=1

MiniMap.esp=1

DMZ Archmagus.esp=1

Forbidden.esp=1

Better Cities Full - OOO.esp=0

CM Partners NPC.esp=1

CybiadesDungeon.esp=1

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp=1

Dynasty Armor DM-BBB.esp=1

rhkVileLairDelayed.esp=1

rhkBattlehornDelayed.esp=1

rhkFrostcragDelayed.esp=1

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp=1

X.Races.Comp.esp=1

Slof's Giger Armour.esp=0

DemonRace.esp=1

Synx.esp=1

Kaleencolors.esp=1

CB Unholy Corrupter.esp=1

rhkShiveringDelayed.esp=1

rhkOrreryDelayed.esp=1

rhkMehrunesRazorDelayed.esp=1

rhkThievesDenDelayed.esp=1

rhkKnightsDelayed.esp=1

bgShaderStandAloneEV.esp=1

Better Cities - All Natural.esp=1

Better Cities - Alternative Start Arrive by Ship.esp=1

Better Cities - Storms & Sound.esp=1

Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp=1

Better Cities .esp=1

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=0

bgIntegrationIntegratedEV.esp=1

SMChorrol.esp=1

Sorry I don't know how to put it in a spoiler

 

[Striker879]

Is it a save that has a lot of hours on it (as in more than 200 hours)??

 

- Edit - Also, what are you using to sort your load order?

Edited December 23, 2017 by Striker879

[lithan1]

I just started a new game and so far it hasn't happened again, though to answer your questions, no it only has a few hours in it, also, I use LOOT to sort my load order

[Striker879]

Then it won't be the A-Bomb bug (stuck animation) ... that only happens on saves with more than 200 hours (permanently fixed by EngineBugFixes). I can't see it being a load order related problem, but the recommended tool for sorting Oblivion load orders is BOSS.

 

Better Cities has a reputation for being a framerate killer (don't use it myself, so I can't speak from anything except what I've heard). That's where I'd start my troubleshooting.

 

Best advice I can give is a bit late for you on this current build ... install one mod at a time and test thoroughly in between mods (and always confirm proper game operation with no mods before starting). When you add one mod to a game that is working and then it starts acting up it's a trivial matter to figure out where to start troubleshooting.

[lithan1]

Like I said I just started a new game anyway and so far it's been fine, and yes I did try uninstalling Better Cities and it didn't help, plus isn't BOSS too outdated? That's why everyone uses LOOT instead

[Striker879]

Nope, BOSS is being maintained by mhahn123 ... you can manually update the masterlist from BOSS Masterlist for Oblivion (or allow it to update automatically when run). LOOT is for newer games like SkyRim.

[Surilindur]

For reference, LOOT is actually the modern solution and does in fact make BOSS obsolete. It is all documented in the LOOT FAQ (which everyone using LOOT has naturally been reading before using the tool, hehe).

 

Maybe if mhahn123 could one day port the BOSS masterlist to LOOT, the whole issue with LOOT vs BOSS for Oblivion would no longer crop up. The LOOT FAQ mentions that a LOOT masterlist should be easier to maintain, even, and more flexible! Maybe one day something will happen and BOSS can be put to rest. :)

[Striker879]

Ah Contra ... you'll get my BOSS when you can pry it from ...

 

Merry Christmas buddy, we're having a white one here!

[mhahn123]

For reference, LOOT is actually the modern solution and does in fact make BOSS obsolete. It is all documented in the LOOT FAQ (which everyone using LOOT has naturally been reading before using the tool, hehe).

 

Maybe if mhahn123 could one day port the BOSS masterlist to LOOT, the whole issue with LOOT vs BOSS for Oblivion would no longer crop up. The LOOT FAQ mentions that a LOOT masterlist should be easier to maintain, even, and more flexible! Maybe one day something will happen and BOSS can be put to rest. :smile:

Porting the BOSS masterlist to LOOT should have logically been Step #1 when LOOT was being developed. I mean really, how was that ever overlooked? In any case I'll add my two cents in on this old discussion. LOOT is a superior tool, at least in the sense that it is still being supported. But it lacks the proper info to get things sorted right for Oblivion. Without that critical bit, BOSS is still the only load order sorter which will work properly for this game. As of right now the masterlist is out of date by almost a year, but even in light of that it still get's things far closer to optimum than LOOT can.

 

Perhaps it would be best to port the masterlist over. But we're talking over 20000 lines at this point and still growing. It's a daunting task to say the least. Maybe I'll make that a 2018 goal, probably take take at least a quarter to get it done. :ohmy:

[Oblivionaddicted]

I wish you ruggedness and perseverance in your goal mhahn123. :smile:

 

Wrye bash is also a good tool to sort the mods.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Oblivionaddicted