Fallout 4 worth buying ?

[taryl80]

Fallout and the elder scrolls single player rpg games are always worth the money in my opinion including the dlcs.

 

Thanks to modders, you can build with mods your game, you always wanted to have (or be a modder and build what you always wanted to see in a fantasy rpg like skyrim, or a post war game like fallout).

 

That being said... F4 have a lot of things that need to be reworked or expanded. In my opinion more as the 2 games before, but that changes nothing thanks to the creation kit.

 

If the dlcs are worth the price... All of them? That depends really on your tastes... But what sure is, that with the time more and more mods will use the dlcs and that means, there is no way around the dlcs anyways.

 

And Schnugga, I believe the Fallout games (and dlcs) are actual on steam for a 50-75% sale.

Edited December 26, 2017 by taryl80

[madmongo]

Fallout 1 was an RPG with a lot of depth to it.

Fallout 2 was an RPG with a lot of depth to it.

Fallout 3 was an RPG with a lot of depth to it.

Fallout New Vegas was an RPG with a lot of depth to it.

Fallout 4 is a casual shooter.

 

One of these things is not like the others. :smile:

 

If you are a fan of the Fallout series, Fallout 4 is just a huge disappointment. It's not an RPG. There's no depth at all to it. Conversations give you options, but none of those options matter. They basically all end up in the same place. The game holds your hand every step of the way so that you never have to figure anything out.

 

If you are a casual gamer, Fallout 4 is great. You can go different places and shoot stuff and you never get bogged down with boring conversation stuff and you're never confused about where to go next if you want to follow the main plot.

 

If you are a role player, Fallout 4 has nothing for you. All you can do is go places and shoot stuff. You can't dive into the setting and role play. The game never lets you figure anything out for yourself. It always tells you where to go next. None of your conversation options ever matter. You only get to make one decision in the entire game, and that's which side you want to win. That's it. You are following someone else's script, not making up your own story as you go.

 

Considering that all of the previous games were RPGs, the Fallout fan base is largely role players, most of whom were hugely disappointed in the game because it's not an RPG. This is why there are so many negative reviews of the game.

 

So it depends on what type of gamer you are. If you don't care about the lore and don't care about immersing yourself into a role playing setting, then Fallout 4 is great. If you are a role player and really liked the previous games, you will be very disappointed.

 

Bethesda added "Fallout sims" to the game (all of the settlement building stuff) and said it would be optional. If you liked it then you could enjoy it, but if you didn't then you could just ignore it. But then they made it part of the main quest, and a huge amount of the DLC was focused on settlement building. If you like settlement building, the DLC has a lot of stuff you'll probably like. If you don't give two hoots about settlement building, the DLC is a little light otherwise. If you get it cheap enough it's probably ok but there's really not that much there other than the settlement building. Automatron is short and doesn't even have any new world spaces. It's just built into the existing world. Far Harbor is fairly small. Bethesda did respond to a lot of the criticism and made Nuka-World a bit better. But that's it for the DLC. There are no other add-ons. Everything else is workshop stuff. Considering how much they charged for it when it was new, most people expected there to be at least one more big DLC add-on. If it's cheap it's no biggie, but if you paid full price for it, the DLC was a huge waste of money.

[taryl80]

Fallout 4 is more casual as the games before, but rpgs are always what you make of them. And even in F4 there are choices. You can choose to whipe out every main-faction and also sometimes, if a npc dies during a quest, or after a quest, like by that drug-Vault 81 quest as example.

 

And if you really dislike the settlement building system (what I clearly not do) you can stay away from it, if you not plan to be a member of the Minute Man. Ok, you need to build that teleporter in a settlement, but that is a 2 minute job.

 

The big problem of F4 in my eyes is, that it has less darker quests and also a less darker atmosphere as the games before, even with the Nuka World DLC in mind.

 

An inexperienced player who did not know the Fallout games before, might think that the only problem of commonwealth people is their dirty nails and hard work on the field every day. And that's a thing where I hope for bigger quest mods, or a reworked commonwealth from modders, that make it a bit more darker and with it - more realistic.

[cossayos]

 

The big problem of F4 in my eyes is, that it has less darker quests and also a less darker atmosphere as the games before, even with the Nuka World DLC in mind.

 

Nuka world isn't really dark. These raiders are just another faction and not people you'd have a hard time to team up with.

 

I think, the real problem is them getting rid of the karma system. That at least changed some game parameters as to how your environment perceived you as the player. With FO4 you're absolutely the same, regardless of the factions you join or what you do.

[Genamine]

At 892 hours played, Id be dense not to recommend it

 

FO4 has its issues, but in my opinion none of them warrant choosing not to pick it up for 10 (or 20) euros

[borjoyzee]

Despite knowing what bethy usually get up to in terms of removing features and not being exactly forthright about certain things that some people would likely have issues with because of past experiences on previous games, which were all realised when played, I still bought it and would recommend it yes, especially when it'll be cheaper now.

 

However as no doubt people have said, it could've been sooooo much more, but that's beth for you, and we know it. A mile wide shallow puddle made a little deeper thanks to modders. It's probably the only real reason I'm still playing it now, same as their other games. Although if you haven't got it yet I'd yet suggest actually playing it vanilla just to see for yourself and then if it hasn't left an irradiated trash-crawling radroach meat-esque taste in your mouth, mod the ever living psychotic jet-fueled crap out of it.

 

Just be prepared to be a tiiiiiny bit disappointed if you've played the originals and expect 4 to have anywhere near as much depth.

 

(sounds like I hate it, and I do hhhhhHHHHHHHATE things like the voiced protagonist, ugh God why beth why, but again, mods. I'm not sure hate is the right word but I still play it, and don't be put off by what I wrote)

Edited January 1, 2018 by borjoyzee

[Frogzilla82]

If you like fallout 3 and NV, then you will like fallout 4. Mods like crazy to change it however you want.

[Bernt]

Well - so much has already been said but........... Being an old time - as in Fallout 1 onwards- fan, I'm not sure that I'd say FO4 is a "real" Fallout game. It is certainly lacking in several departments when compared to earlier games. And yet I've spent - and still spend- way too many hours playing it. Because there's so much else to it. Use your imagination, make up your own story inside your head and use mods to make it come real in your game. Or just go exploring the huge sandbox. I bought the game when it came out and the SP on christmas sale a year later. And I haven't even finished it yet. Because there's always just one more thing down that sidetrack that looks interesting. And if I say/do this waht happens. And this mod............ :facepalm: You just go ahead and finish what I'm trying to say....... :laugh:

[Deleted40542685User]

Same for me, I don't care about the Quests, the loot, the settlements or having a companion to get a perk. I just create a world of my own, sit on the beach at Nordhagen, or build a home east of the vault 111. That for 14 bucks on steam, yah it's worth it.

[Nudedragon]

Honestly? No.

It feels like bethesda games are getting buggier, less safe to mod, and more exploitative of the fanbase all at the same time. It seems like modding f04 is, if not exactly more difficult, at least less stable than modding previous titles. They added the creation club and sold season passes, both of which are eugh. And it's just my own experience, but fallout 4 feels the buggiest out of any bethesda title to date. Even in an unmodded game, I'm walking on eggshells making sure I do everything juuuust so or else the games going to implode. Quests, dialogue, and animations are constantly bugging. There's a tremendous number of issues with textures and models. Fullscreen and windowed both have bugs, as do most of the graphics settings. Not everyone experiences them, but it's likely you will experience at least one or two. Objects just disappear when loading, and many, many of the perks don't work as intended.

Even if everything in fallout 4 worked well it would be a mediocre game. The combat is okay, but not amazing. Increasing difficulty just makes everything into a bullet sponge. The settlement building can be fun but we're very limited by the wasteland theme and it's tedious. There's laughably little to actually do, and few npcs filling the game, making it feel barren. I started a sneaky character in my first run but had almost nothing to steal because there's nobody to steal from. I also went charismatic but there's barely anyone to persuade and little to gain from it. If anything, a lot of persuaion checks just speed the conversation along, which means less dialogue, but you get a little xp for it.

Modding helps, but not enough. And when you add in the colossal number of bugs, I'm starting to wonder what we're paying bethesda for. Their products feel like an early beta on release, and never get fixed. I've enjoyed the game a little, but I've spent more frustrated hours trying to get it to work than I have actually playing, and if I could go back in time, I would stop myself from purchasing this.