Don't Upset Your Gaming Partner

[TheMastersSon]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42523045

 

Downright frightening imo. How much you wanna bet Kansas tries blaming video game violence for this obscenity, instead of wholesale collapse of due process in their own state's law enforcement. We've arrived to a point where police can shoot you on your front doorstep for no apparent reason other than a subjective opinion about hand and arm movement. "He moved his arms toward his waist"? Are waists now considered a lethal weapon in Kansas? Just like fetuses are actually viable people with separate Constitutional rights etc? Maybe his arms were tired from being held up, by armed police, out of the clear blue and for no reason other than apparent non-communication. Can someone please claim we're not Nazi Germany?

 

BTW imo the perpetrator should be put away for a very, very long time for this crime. What comes after insidious evil?

Edited December 30, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

The guy that instigated it, and the guy that actually made the phone call, should both be charged with premeditated murder, and put away for life, without possibility of parole.

 

"Swatting" isn't a prank, it's an outright attempt to have the police commit murder for you, and should be treated as such.

 

Another lesson to be learned here is: If the cops tell you to do something, DO IT. You can sort out legalities/rights later, when they are NOT pointing a bunch of automatic weapons at you.

[skyquest32]

Its down to the jackasses that called them with the false report, who are liable for the damages.

 

They went in there nerved up for a life and death situation with hostages taen with the possibility of ending it quickly to save lives in mind. If it had been real, it might have worked out that way. The man at the door could have been lying, could have been anything.

 

If he had complied with the order he would still be alive, asked a few questions and that would have been all. They had to be ready for the possibility it was so, with there guard all the way up. They do make mistakes though, but there life is potentially at stake too.

 

I really don't have enough details given in the story and would need to see who answered the door and there look, at the time, with expressions and movements.

 

The picture of the man in the link looks middle eastern, the subconscious puts that together we recent war/ hostages situation and there are alot of red flags.

 

Hes a person not a machine. Sometimes a few seconds is all you have to choose he made his choice and guessed wrong. Regrettable, but it happens.

[TheMastersSon]

" The man at the door could have been lying, could have been anything."

 

While entirely true, your comment ignores due process requirements in our country. We are presumed innocent until proven guilty of any crime, and as mentioned, last time I checked human waists do not qualify as potential lethal weapons in our country. So I'll let the civil and most probably criminal lawsuits fly and grab a big box of popcorn, as yet another of our law enforcement agencies play the victim while the American people are shot and killed unarmed for absolutely no reason on their own doorsteps and by their own paid state employees. Even the attempted defense of these police is beyond disgusting imo. Their job is to react to imminent threats to life or property, NOT create these threats (and do so entirely) by themselves. The human garbage perpetrator who made the 911 call claimed gasoline was poured inside this victim's home. Can't wait to hear whether the police smelled any gas whatsoever at the front door. Etc.

 

The Third Reich analogy rears its ugly but very real head. Again.

Edited December 31, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[skyquest32]

If he looked like he was going for his piece, in his waistband its training. Like he was going to draw. That and a wrong word is all it could take for the officer/soldier to react.

 

Probably what happened was he made like he was going to draw as jest, or maybe he was reaching for a pack of cigarettes hence. Hands in the air is a long standing policy to avoid this mishap.

 

If it had been a weapon, and one day it might be, and the officer/soldier or guard dose not react in time he could very well wake up on the other side of eternity. REALLY, Really, bad idea for a prank. Its down to the callers.

 

Hostage situation and a middle eastern guy coming to the door could mean in the subconscious as a heavy situation in deed. Life and death and not just for him. Hes only human. He could have been emotional tensed up for a serious concern, already with fictional hostages to consider and the possibility of saving lives.

 

THE VICTIM WOULD NOT ANSWER THE DOOR IN SUCH A SITUATION. That is why I say these happy pranksters that made the fake call are such jackasses.

[TheMastersSon]

skyquest32, your claims are based on what-if's, and what-if's are not sufficient legal justification to shoot someone in the head. Unless somebody clearly saw a weapon they had no right to issue lethal force to stop whatever they THOUGHT MIGHT be occurring. See the difference? If what you claim were true, the police are free to issue instant death sentences to the American people simply for refusing to hold their hands up, or for failing to hold them up "well enough" for the police. It's entirely subjective opinion without a weapon. Correct?

 

The longer I remain in this country the more evident it is that no country remains to remain in.

Edited December 31, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

skyquest32, your claims are based on what-if's, and what-if's are not sufficient legal justification to shoot someone in the head. Unless somebody clearly saw a weapon they had no right to issue lethal force to stop whatever they THOUGHT MIGHT be occurring. See the difference? If what you claim were true, the police are free to issue instant death sentences to the American people simply for refusing to hold their hands up, or for failing to hold them up "well enough" for the police. It's entirely subjective opinion without a weapon. Correct?

 

The longer I remain in this country the more evident it is that no country remains to remain in.

Never been a cop have you? Never been in a potential combat situation either, I would guess......

 

The cops went to a location where there was reportedly a man holding a woman hostage, that had already killed another man. The police MUST treat the situation as an actual threat. They have no way of knowing if this is a prank or not. Sure, chatting with the guy coming out the door for a few minutes would likely defuse the entire situation. However, first the cops need to verify that it is actually safe to do so. Keep in mind, in this situation, the cops MUST assume the guy is armed. So, first thing to do is neutralize the threat. That means getting him under control. If he does something stupid, like, not do EXACTLY what the cops are telling him to do, he is in serious danger of being shot. If he makes what appears to be a threatening move, the cops ARE going to fire. That's just the way it is. Waiting until they are 'sure' he has a weapon, usually just succeeds at getting cops killed.

 

The cops didn't do anything wrong here. They did exactly what they were trained to do. The criminal action was on the part of the guy that actually called in the hoax, (who is already been arrested) and the guy that put him up to it. Those two should be charged with murder, and spend the rest of their lives in prison. I am sure the family is going to sue everyone in sight over this........ but, in this case, the cops were used. Again. And tragic as it is, they should not be held legally liable for this man's death.

[TheMastersSon]

We'll see how well your claims stand up in a court of law. Didn't do anything wrong? Thus our police are now legally allowed to be death squads, and justify shooting people to death entirely because of a subjective opinion about their hand and arm movements. So as usual the answer is for you to go ahead and move the rest of yourself to China. Because you already live there inside your head.

 

Watch these trial proceedings, assuming it gets that far and whatever police authority doesn't offer to settle with this victim's family beforehand. I think they will. Trust me on this one, without a weapon the police have no legal leg to stand on. And thank God for that.

Edited January 1, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

We'll see how well your claims stand up in a court of law. Didn't do anything wrong? Thus our police are now legally allowed to be death squads, and justify shooting people to death entirely because of a subjective opinion about their hand and arm movements. So as usual the answer is for you to go ahead and move the rest of yourself to China. Because you already live there inside your head.

 

Watch these trial proceedings, assuming it gets that far and whatever police authority doesn't offer to settle with this victim's family beforehand. I think they will. Trust me on this one, without a weapon the police have no legal leg to stand on. And thank God for that.

Take a look at past history. Out of all the police shootings that make the news, how many cops are actually prosecuted? You can count them on one hand.

 

Without a weapon? How about Michael Brown? And he is just one example.

 

And yes, we will see how this one goes. I predict the cop will not be charged.

[TheMastersSon]

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/pivot-point/article192154939.html

 

Kansas is what happens when stupidity wins in a state. Explicit homicide by apparently legalized government death squads is blamed on home video games. The victim didn't even play video games.

Edited January 1, 2018 by TheMastersSon