Why is communism a bad word?

[richroots]

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is bad is the concentration of powers.

 

In itself communism is neither better nor worse than capitalism.

Depends on who ya ask. :D

 

As long as the politicians have nothing to win and everything to lose trampling people's rights the economic development always comes. In this situation whether the companies are mostly private or nationalised is a petty detail.

 

But it never works that way. People in power are only concerned with one thing, staying in power. (and accumulating more....) Human nature dictates the communism simply cannot work.

 

And given my druthers, I'druther live in a capitalist society, where I actually have some motivation to better myself, and my living condition. Simply not possible under communism. The State decides who moves up the ladder.

 

Exactly it will never work. Collectivism in every single iteration throughout history has in every single case lead to the mass murder and persecution of innocent people by the hands of that collectivist idealogy, without fail in every single point in history it's been tried. Collectivist ideologies have always failed because they bring death, take away the freedom of choice, and require enslavement to function. As in you require people to do the jobs you don't want to do.

 

Ask any house mover if they would want to be paid the same wage as a bugger flipper, or everyone else or rationed food. Given it's a specific job that only a small percentage of the population can do well. The average pay is over 20$ an hour. You would have to compel people to work this job. Automation can't handle it, and there are many more like it.

 

Furthermore, if you were to give everyone one or two pairs of shoes. What happens when the shoe does not fit or gets stolen? Do they go without? Do they get replacement shoes? Pen theft and office supply theft? How will that work on small items? Who makes the pens? which company? Will you be forced to make pens?

 

This is how you get a society to collapse communism/marxism/socialism.

 

It only works if you force people to work. That always leads to the death of innocent people.

 

And concerning the concentration of powers which is a common point between point between marxism-leninism and right-win/fascism do you have any comment?^^

 

That's very vague. It's universally known that certain archetypes of people seek power. Narcissists and sociopaths, psychopaths if given the opportunity will abuse that power. The issue is that with capitalism we have equal oppertunity of outcome to succeed or fail (capitalism, not crony capitalism), with the above idealogy given they are basically the same with a few differences here and there. They are all collectivist ideologies, every single one requires the enslavement of others to function.

 

In the collectivist ideologies, people don't have equal opportunities of the outcome, they are assigned labour.

 

There is little difference between collectivist ideologies regardless if they're fascism or marxism. They all require us vs them mentality. The majority are based on the founding principles of one or the other.

 

The sad truth is that none of the above you mentioned hold a candle to how dangerous current or modern version collectivism is. It's like a hybrid of the worst parts of each.

 

Many experts speculate we're in the early to middle stages of the same kind of revolution that happened in moaist china, given the modern versions of collectivism are worse. Look at what's happening all over the world Australia, Germany, the USA, Canada. China etc. rights are being eroded all across the board.

 

You only need to learn the phrase "you will own nothing and be happy" from the Davos group and the "Build Back Better" Slogan echoed by Trudeu, Marcon, Biden. To know were headed to some kind of dystopian collectivist hell that's far worse then anything we've seen before.

 

So concerning power is irrelevant when they are unstable collectivist movements to start with. They lead to deep and require people who don't care about humanity to function.

 

The sole reason they don't work is that you can't force people to do something without fair compensation.

 

"Build Back Better"

[richroots]

 

 

Many experts speculate we're in the early to middle stages of the same kind of revolution that happened in moaist china, given the modern versions of collectivism are worse. Look at what's happening all over the world Australia, Germany, the USA, Canada. China etc. rights are being eroded all across the board.

Now you got me curious. What exactly is happening in Germany, might I ask?

 

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. Canada, US, Germany, France leaders all ideological hard left aka extremist left all use the phrase "Build Back Better"

 

-Germany Germany's Angela Merkel calls for tougher coronavirus restrictions. ... "We have to build back better," she said, taking a line from US President-elect Joe Biden

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by richroots

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

Many experts speculate we're in the early to middle stages of the same kind of revolution that happened in moaist china, given the modern versions of collectivism are worse. Look at what's happening all over the world Australia, Germany, the USA, Canada. China etc. rights are being eroded all across the board.

Now you got me curious. What exactly is happening in Germany, might I ask?

 

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. Canada, US, Germany, France leaders all ideological hard left aka extremist left all use the phrase "Build Back Better"

 

-Germany Germany's Angela Merkel calls for tougher coronavirus restrictions. ... "We have to build back better," she said, taking a line from US President-elect Joe Biden

 

 

I think Joe was more referring to our sadly neglected infrastructure.... Which really is a good idea. Trouble is, they are including so much SJW crap in the bill, that no republican in his right mind, would even consider voting for it.

[richroots]

 

 

 

 

Many experts speculate we're in the early to middle stages of the same kind of revolution that happened in moaist china, given the modern versions of collectivism are worse. Look at what's happening all over the world Australia, Germany, the USA, Canada. China etc. rights are being eroded all across the board.

Now you got me curious. What exactly is happening in Germany, might I ask?

 

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. Canada, US, Germany, France leaders all ideological hard left aka extremist left all use the phrase "Build Back Better"

 

-Germany Germany's Angela Merkel calls for tougher coronavirus restrictions. ... "We have to build back better," she said, taking a line from US President-elect Joe Biden

 

 

I think Joe was more referring to our sadly neglected infrastructure.... Which really is a good idea. Trouble is, they are including so much SJW crap in the bill, that no republican in his right mind, would even consider voting for it.

 

It's reasonably hard to figure out what Joe is saying on anything. 'trunalimunumaprzure'. "I'll lead an effective strategy to mobilize true ninternuvidu presher," or maybe it was "trunalimunumaprzure." It could have been "true inder nah ma preh zer." But whatever it was, it was unclear.

 

"Build Back Better" was coined by a man named Klaus Schwab. Schwab, now in his eighties is a German who actually founded the World Economic Forum. Delingpole says that it has been said that Davos is "where billionaires go to lecture millionaires how ordinary people live.".

 

"You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy," said Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum. As Anthony P. Mueller, a professor of economics, warns, "The main thrust of the forum is global control. Free markets and individual choice do not stand as the top values, but state interventionism and collectivism.

 

wiki -"Schwab as publisher of the World Economic Forum's 2010 "Global Redesign" report postulates that a globalized world is best managed by a coalition of multinational corporations, governments (including through the UN system) and select civil society organizations (CSOs).^[29] It argues that governments no longer are "the overwhelmingly dominant actors on the world stage" and that “the time has come for a new stakeholder paradigm of international governance”. The WEF's vision includes a "public-private" UN, in which certain specialized agencies would operate under joint State and non-State governance systems.^[30]

According to the Transnational Institute (TNI), the Forum is hence planning to replace a recognised democratic model with a model where a self-selected group of "stakeholders" make decisions on behalf of the people.^[31] The think tank summarises that we are increasingly entering a world where gatherings such as Davos are "a silent global coup d'etat" to capture governance."

 

So when four or more world leaders all part of the same ideological collectivist groups say "Build Back Better" It's not a coincidence.

 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has now openly referred to his federal government’s post-COVID-19 economic policies as complying with “The Great Reset,” the title of a document first published in 2016 by the World Economic Forum (WEF). The Canadian PM is focused on using the uncertain times created by the pandemic to “Build Back Better” and reshape our country’s economic and social make-up.

 

I personally don't agree with all of Russle brands point but it further explains what's going on.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by richroots

[HeyYou]

 

a globalized world is best managed by a coalition of multinational corporations, governments (including through the UN system) and select civil society organizations

 

Isn't that what we have now? Corporations pretty much run america, and the folks with all the money run the corporations..... Of course, they also pretty much control who runs, and who gets elected as well......

[DrakeTheDragon]

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. Canada, US, Germany, France leaders all ideological hard left aka extremist left all use the phrase "Build Back Better"

 

-Germany Germany's Angela Merkel calls for tougher coronavirus restrictions. ... "We have to build back better," she said, taking a line from US President-elect Joe Biden

Ah, found the article this was taken from. It's from 2020, when it was absolutely the right way, as today's results prove. And the "build back better" quote mentioned in the article was made by a different person.

 

That's all I needed to know. Thanks.

[Oblivionaddicted]

A globalized world would be better managed if the politicians and bosses had everything to lose and nothing to win trampling people's rights thanks to the separation of the powers.

 

In plenty countries the more the politicians serve the capital the more they receive commission/bribes, the more they are financed and the more easily they can usurp the power.

In the meanwhile I never heard about any country that forces its bosses to respect the workers' rights when they relocate or that prevents the bosses from arbitrarily destroying employments to relocate and use slaves instead.

The destitution these bosses create feeds the immigration and the same right-wing fascists who support the most the slaver-bosses don't stop whining about the immigration flow and to spout their delirium about a Great Replacement.

[HeyYou]

A globalized world would be better managed if the politicians and bosses had everything to lose and nothing to win trampling people's rights thanks to the separation of the powers.

 

In plenty countries the more the politicians serve the capital the more they receive commission/bribes, the more they are financed and the more easily they can usurp the power.

In the meanwhile I never heard about any country that forces its bosses to respect the workers' rights when they relocate or that prevents the bosses from arbitrarily destroying employments to relocate and use slaves instead.

The destitution these bosses create feeds the immigration and the same right-wing fascists who support the most the slaver-bosses don't stop whining about the immigration flow and to spout their delirium about a Great Replacement.

Trouble is, there is no way to bring about those conditions. The bosses/politicians won't allow it.

[Oblivionaddicted]

 

A globalized world would be better managed if the politicians and bosses had everything to lose and nothing to win trampling people's rights thanks to the separation of the powers.

 

In plenty countries the more the politicians serve the capital the more they receive commission/bribes, the more they are financed and the more easily they can usurp the power.

In the meanwhile I never heard about any country that forces its bosses to respect the workers' rights when they relocate or that prevents the bosses from arbitrarily destroying employments to relocate and use slaves instead.

The destitution these bosses create feeds the immigration and the same right-wing fascists who support the most the slaver-bosses don't stop whining about the immigration flow and to spout their delirium about a Great Replacement.

Trouble is, there is no way to bring about those conditions. The bosses/politicians won't allow it.

 

Like I already wrote plenty times there are ways to bring it:

-giving all the parties the same financing

-forbidding any cumulation of powers

-preventing the psychopaths from usurping any form of power

-automatically suspending any leader whose honesty is in jeopardy

-keeping the medias independent from all the other powers

-an independent justice applying equitable penalties automated on the facts

 

And I agree with you the bosses/politicians won't allow it since right-wing/fascism like marxism-leninism where made by and for the psychopaths and are based on the concentration of the powers.

But one thing is sure: liberty will always be worth fighting for.

[HeyYou]

I will agree that some variety of campaign finance reform is pretty much a requirement for anything to change at all..... So long as folks can buy politicians, nothing is going to improve. The Citizens United decision was a terrible mistake on the part of the Supreme Court, and basically gave the country to corporate interests. Thus, a lot of the new laws we have seen since then, giving serious advantages to business, at the expense of the average citizen, and the environment.