Israel and its Neighbors

[Aurielius]

If Israel, and Palestine were a married couple, they would be filing for divorce (a long time ago....) for "irreconcilable differences"...... There isn't ever going to be peace there as long as there are both palestinians, and Israelis, exist at the same time. Neither side is willing to give the other what they really want. Israel is NEVER going to go back to the pre-1968 borders, they aren't going to give up a bunch of their settlements, regardless of if they were legal or not...... and Palestine is not going to be happy with the borders that Israel wants to draw. It is an impasse, and no amount of diplomacy is ever going to solve it.

 

With the Arab Spring goin' on.... Israel is more and more finding itself surrounding by (even more) hostile neighbors, and that isn't likely to improve either. Are we having fun yet?

Using your analogy the problem is that both sides want to have the house in the divorce settlement.

 

The house, the car, the kids, AND the pension payments from the (should be) disinterested third party, that isn't related to either of them. :D

So thats means we are going to wait for the Martian Arbitration Team to land? :tongue:

 

That's about what it's gonna take to settle things there. Someone powerful enough to simply TELL THEM, "This is the way it's gonna be." No amount of diplomacy is going to solve the issues, or even alleviate them to the point that we don't have to worry about war in the region.

What is sadly droll for two such ancient peoples is that the definition of Pyhrric Victory seems to escape them.

[Beriallord]

Israel certainly isn't doing anything for itself to help matters in that region any. I know the US media always likes to play Israel as the victim in that region, but that is far from the truth. Israel is the only nation currently directly involved in colonization of another country. They aren't taking it all at once, but are more or less nibbling at it a little bit at a time. One settlement at a time. Whether the Palestinians are directly involved in resisting/fighting against Israel or not. If Palestinians were to lay down and never attack Israel again, they would still get territory taken from them anyway. Of course, nobody is ever going to hear the other side of the story from the supposed "fair and balanced" Fox News. But every time a Palestinian picks up a gun and fights back, they blast that on Fox News for a week. Its obvious to me that Fox News is rabidly Zionist. Edited April 6, 2012 by Beriallord

[HeyYou]

Israel certainly isn't doing anything for itself to help matters in that region any. I know the US media always likes to play Israel as the victim in that region, but that is far from the truth. Israel is the only nation currently directly involved in colonization of another country. They aren't taking it all at once, but are more or less nibbling at it a little bit at a time. One settlement at a time. Whether the Palestinians are directly involved in resisting/fighting against Israel or not. If Palestinians were to lay down and never attack Israel again, they would still get territory taken from them anyway. Of course, nobody is ever going to hear the other side of the story from the supposed "fair and balanced" Fox News. But every time a Palestinian picks up a gun and fights back, they blast that on Fox News for a week. Its obvious to me that Fox News is rabidly Zionist.

 

Neither side is doing themselves any favors with their actions. Palestinians lob rockets, and send in suicide bombers...... Israel steals land, and then passes laws to make it appear 'legal'..... Israel doesn't recognize that it HAS ANY borders..... so far as they are concerned, ALL of that land is theirs by god given right....... The Palestinians tried an end run, and attempted to get recognized by the UN as an independent state. Only reason that didn't happen is America threatened a veto. And here I thought the US was all about a "two state solution"???? So, what happened? If that's what we ostensibly want, why would we veto the motion? How about because, that's NOT really what we want?

 

It's politics. We say one thing, and make motions of making it happen, but, behind the scenes, we are also taking steps to make sure it NEVER happens....... Israel is complicit in this as well, as it is in their best interests for the Palestinians NOT to be a "real" state. That would complicate their land grabbing.

[dazzerfong]

In my observations of history, it's simple: the harder you push someone, the harder they push back. Take Israel and its neighbors. Israel takes a bit of land, they lob a few (inaccurate) rockets over. Once in a few years, a peace broker comes along, they're happy, repeat ad infinitum.

[Harbringe]

This might be an interview people might want to watch . Someone who's family was involved in the events through the last 70 yrs.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCKWDarNdGw

[grannywils]

Harbringe, thank you so much for that video. I learned a few thing from it that I truly did not know. I will be buying this book. Thanks again, pal.

[HeyYou]

The video is indeed interesting. I wonder how the Israeli government is gonna react to that.....

[WizardOfAtlantis]

Israel is the only nation currently directly involved in colonization of another country.

They're not the only ones. China has been doing its fair share in Tibet for decades.

[Harbringe]

Israel is the only nation currently directly involved in colonization of another country.

They're not the only ones. China has been doing its fair share in Tibet for decades.

 

Yes I would agree with that , though except for the initial invasion of Tibet not nearly as brutal as what is occurring in Israel . Besides its America subsidizing Israel to the tune of 3 billion a year , you would think that would give them some pull to influence Israeli actions , China on the other hand is subsidizing America to tune of 100's of billions a year ,kinda hard to complain against the hand that is feeding you.

[WizardOfAtlantis]

Israel is the only nation currently directly involved in colonization of another country.

They're not the only ones. China has been doing its fair share in Tibet for decades.

 

Yes I would agree with that , though except for the initial invasion of Tibet not nearly as brutal as what is occurring in Israel . Besides its America subsidizing Israel to the tune of 3 billion a year , you would think that would give them some pull to influence Israeli actions , China on the other hand is subsidizing America to tune of 100's of billions a year ,kinda hard to complain against the hand that is feeding you.

I don't know...I've read tales of things like the chemical sterilization of Tibetan women, etc., plus mass Chinese immigration, to effectively wipe out the Tibetans as a race. I don't think that's going on in the Middle East.

I think the Israel-US ties go far deeper than the US's love for Made in China or even the fact that the US hands out billions to the Israelis. There is obviously more to it because the accounts don't add up. There have to be "higher powers", in banking, weapons, whatever (Rockefellers, Bilderbergers, Rothschilds, what have you) that are obviously calling the shots (pun intended). Otherwise, the sums don't add up.