Help with my mod list!

[munga]

Hey and thanks for taking the time to read trough this and many thanks if you can help me!

i have 248 plugins and loot does't give me any conflict report but i get crashes in random places sometimes every 1 or 2 hours sometimes every 5 minutes , i have clened masters and let loot sort the mods this is my mod list should i remove mods or do a bashed patch (i don't know how to do one properly) any help is welcome

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Sneak Tools.esp

7 7 BSAssets.esm

8 8 BSHeartland.esm

9 9 BS_DLC_patch.esp

10 a Campfire.esm

11 b ApachiiHairMales.esm

12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

13 d Cutting Room Floor.esp

14 e Bring Out Your Dead.esp

15 f SkyUI_SE.esp

16 10 AHZmoreHUD.esp

17 11 iHUD.esp

18 12 AMatterOfTime.esp

19 13 ArcheryV2.esp

20 14 SkyUI.esp

21 15 ZIR_woodchopping.esp

22 16 GatherWildernessResources.esp

23 17 Archery_Campfire_Patch.esp

24 18 iNeed.esp

25 19 iNeed - Extended.esp

26 1a Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

27 1b The Huntsman.esp

28 1c HistoricalWeapons.esp

29 1d NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp

30 1e Footprints.esp

31 1f Character Creation Overhaul.esp

32 20 CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp

33 21 CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp

34 22 CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp

35 23 Beards.esp

36 24 Hirsute Beards.esp

37 25 NB-Scars.esp

38 26 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

39 27 RLO - Interiors.esp

40 28 InnCredible.esp

41 29 immersivemerchants.esp

42 2a Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp

43 2b skyforgedWeapons.esp

44 2c Unique Uniques.esp

45 2d DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

46 2e CollegeofWinterholdUpgraded.esp

47 2f 3DNPC.esp

48 30 LootableWoodpiles.esp

49 31 ETaC - Complete.esp

50 32 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

51 33 SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp

52 34 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

53 35 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

54 36 MoreBanditCamps(SSE Explorer'sEdition).esp

55 37 Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp

56 38 AAE Ultimate Edition.esp

57 39 RLO - Exteriors.esp

58 3a Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp

59 3b OBIS SE.esp

60 3c JKs Whiterun.esp

61 3d Eli_Breezehome.esp

62 3e Undeath.esp

63 3f Intelligent W3 Music Addon.esp

64 40 Optional Less Combat Music.esp

65 41 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

66 42 BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp

67 43 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

68 44 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

69 45 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged.esp

70 46 Hunting in Skyrim.esp

71 47 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

72 48 Tentapalooza.esp

73 49 CampfireCabin.esp

74 4a CampfirePrimitiveShelter.esp

75 4b WICO - Immersive People.esp

76 4c JobsofSkyrim.esp

77 4d TW3Plate.esp

78 4e aaaGraniteHill.esp

79 4f Point The Way.esp

80 50 Undeath Immersive Lichdom.esp

81 51 UndeathClassicalLichdom SSE.esp

82 52 ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

83 53 SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp

84 54 OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp

85 55 WoodElfRefuge.esp

86 56 BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp

87 57 ClefJ's Dragon Bridge.esp

88 58 Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp

89 59 Cloaks.esp

90 5a RiversideLodge.esp

91 5b Inigo.esp

92 5c fallentreebridgesSSE.esp

93 5d TreasureHunter.esp

94 5e WindstadMine.esp

95 5f Hunter's Camp.esp

96 60 AlchemistHutOverhaul.esp

97 61 Hermit Mountain Cottage.esp

98 62 Hunterborn.esp

99 63 Bloodworm.esp

100 64 Frostfall.esp

101 65 ETaC - Complete RLO Patch.esp

102 66 WoodsmansShack.esp

103 67 RegularVendors.esp

104 68 InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp

105 69 AlbionSwords.esp

106 6a Real Bows SE.esp

107 6b Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

108 6c Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp

109 6d Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp

110 6e Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp

111 6f Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp

112 70 CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp

113 71 1nivWICCloaks.esp

114 72 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp

115 73 SkyHUD.esp

116 74 SkyHUD - iHUD Patch.esp

117 75 Snotgurg Simple Drop Lit Torches.esp

118 76 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

119 77 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

120 78 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp

121 79 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

122 7a Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

123 7b Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp

124 7c HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp

125 7d VioLens SE.esp

126 7e VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp

127 7f Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

128 80 Warm Drinks.esp

129 81 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

130 82 GuildStarter.esp

131 83 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

132 84 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

133 85 DragonKillerCartSE.esp

134 86 OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSSE.esp

135 87 PumpingIron.esp

136 88 Visible Favorited Gear.esp

137 89 WetandCold.esp

138 8a WondersofWeather.esp

139 8b Insignificant Object Remover.esp

140 8c SPTUnlimitedAmuletsSE.esp

141 8d Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp

142 8e TheCleaner.esp

143 8f Boethiah's Ring of Shadows.esp

144 90 JBMod.esp

145 91 Radiant quest reward perk point.esp

146 92 SE_H.A.S.T.E..esp

147 93 SOTFollowMeAndSwimToo.esp

148 94 Lethal Traps.esp

149 95 More Expensive Merged.esp

150 96 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

151 97 SOS_RLOInteriors_Patch.esp

152 98 Ars Metallica.esp

153 99 TorchArrow.esp

154 9a Dr_Bandolier.esp

155 9b Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

156 9c WICO - Immersive Character.esp

157 9d WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp

158 9e WICO - Wild Hunt Gears.esp

159 9f AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

160 a0 Eli_Routa - Non-Stormcloak.esp

161 a1 RiftTreehouse.esp

162 a2 Convenient Horses.esp

163 a3 KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp

164 a4 NameYourHorse.esp

165 a5 notice board.esp

166 a6 ForgottenCity.esp

167 a7 WhiteElkShelter.esp

168 a8 StagPrinceBow.esp

169 a9 Viking's Longhouse.esp

170 aa RiverwoodHuntingCabinSE.esp

171 ab Winter Cove.esp

172 ac The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

173 ad Ark_HaroldthepackGoat.esp

174 ae garm_black.esp

175 af Nightgate Cabin.esp

176 b0 OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp

177 b1 Explosive arrows SE.esp

178 b2 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

179 b3 Zikoru Swords.esp

180 b4 FireBurns.esp

181 b5 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

182 b6 Stormcloak Battle Armor Replacer.esp

183 b7 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

184 b8 SPTUnlimitedRingsSE.esp

185 b9 OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp

186 ba Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

187 bb CH Bruma Patch.esp

188 bc DarkerNights.esp

189 bd Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp

190 be Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Vivid Weathers Patch.esp

191 bf Audio Overhaul Skyrim - MLU Patch.esp

192 c0 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Ordinator Patch.esp

193 c1 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Reduced Reverb.esp

194 c2 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - SkyTEST Patch.esp

195 c3 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Thunderchild Patch.esp

196 c4 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Unique Uniques Patch.esp

197 c5 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Vivid Weathers Define Patch.esp

198 c6 SoS_VividWeathers_Patch.esp

199 c7 VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp

200 c8 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

201 c9 AAE_Cloaks_Patch.esp

202 ca AAE_OBIS_Patch.esp

203 cb AAE_STRAP_Patch.esp

204 cc AAE_WICO_Patch.esp

205 cd iNeed Bruma Water Patch.esp

206 ce LightngDuringStorm.esp

207 cf More_Saddles.esp

208 d0 More_Saddles - Shadowmere - Traveler.esp

209 d1 wyldtats.esp

210 d2 Ragnar.esp

211 d3 EliteKnightArmor.esp

212 d4 SolstheimMerchantsInWhiterun.esp

213 d5 AmazingFollowerTweaks-3DNPC.esp

214 d6 fastermining9-3.esp

215 d7 RLO - Effects.esp

216 d8 Spells Emit Light.esp

217 d9 RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp

218 da RLO - CRF Patch.esp

219 db RLO - JK's Whiterun.esp

220 dc NamelessLight.esp

221 dd beltfastenedquivers.esp

222 de UltimateLoreLoadingScreen.esp

223 df chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp

224 e0 FNIS.esp

225 e1 FNISspells.esp

226 e2 Brighter And Infinite Torches.esp

227 e3 XPMSSE.esp

228 e4 Better Candlelight.esp

229 e5 UndeathClassicalLichdom Ordinator Patch.esp

230 e6 UIL & Path of the Revenant Patch.esp

231 e7 NetherMage.esp

232 e8 Black Mage Armor SE.esp

233 e9 ShieldWard.esp

234 ea ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

235 eb SOT-Sleeping.esp

236 ec UndeadFX.esp

237 ed sirwho_Wizard_Hat.esp

238 ee Lock_Overhaul.esp

239 ef Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

240 f0 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

241 f1 CFTO.esp

242 f2 MLU.esp

243 f3 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

244 f4 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

245 f5 Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

246 f6 RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp

247 f7 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

248 f8 RWT Lod Fix.esp

0 conflicts 0 warnings according to loot report
my rig
i3 6100

gtx 1050ti
8gb ram

game installed on H drive 1 tb wd blue

Thanks for your time !

 

[jeedge]

Hello there! Wow, you caught me at a good moment where I actually took the time to look through your huge mod list. :P Most won't make it past the first 50 or so... but that said, one thing I like to do when looking at large load orders, is I immediately look at the last 20 or so because that's an area that could have so called 'troublemaker mods'. Looks like you did run LOOT evidenced by where I typically see LOOT placing realistic water pretty late into the order.

 

You *are* pushing it with your computer spec with such a large order. That doesn't mean it can't handle it, but I know with large load order, running the game off an SSD does wonders for game stability when there are multiple scripts running, etc..

 

i3 6100 - At first I coughed. i3!? But I see it has a pretty decent Ghz speed, cache looks OK. Not the best, but not bad. If you aren't trying to record video/streaming, should be OK here. The only experiment you might want to try is running the game with hyperthreading disabled to see if that makes a difference? It's an 'experiment' that I would try out if I were in your shoes.

gtx 1050ti - I'm guessing 2 or 3GB VRAM? I didn't notice a lot of texture mods (ie... 2K or 4K).. If I missed that, you might consider using 'one' tier lower textures. Using an ENB? Then try running without (experiment). Otherwise this should be OK at 1080...

 

"game installed on H drive 1 tb wd blue" - Nowadays, I always say ouch to HDDs. With that many mods, I'd consider getting at least a small SSD drive to reinstall your OS and maybe your favorite 2-3 games on. This is a great performance upgrade to any system only having HDDs.

 

Mods:

BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp You have a LOT of creature/NPC adding mods installed. These will tax the system and I suggest disabling Birds then see if that improves things

imperious - I have heard this one conflicts with a lot of stuff, have not used the mod before. I doubt it in your case due to the intermittent crash times being a little more random. Or, can you see a pattern of crashing somewhere, a certain spot, cerrtain events happening just before the crash?

 

Patching:

Might consider using a Wyre Bashed patch (lot's of how to's on here and youtube) or many seem to be trying out Mator Smash lately (I haven't tried MS yet). I am religious about adding a bashed patch to every build.

 

Gut feeling, too many NPC/creature adding mods for the hardware to handle...

 

Good luck, will check in later since I'm always curious to know what the cause was in cases like these.

[munga]

Wow thanks for taking the timeto read trough all, i thought this would be lost in the forums forever without answers.

Regarding textures i'm using everithing in 1 k, i play on a 720 p monitor i play the game on 1360x 768, tried to play without the enb but made no diference, most crashes happen befor a battle or after a battle the game tends to behave strangely for example just had a crash that went like this: finished killing some bandints looted them changed the spells i had equiped and ther was no animation on the hands no sparks no fire no effects where playing then i tried to save and the game ctd, most crashes are similar, some timnes ther are zones i need to avoid and come back later, it seems that something generating random events might be the cause of the ctd ?

Many thanks for taking the time to help me i will try uninstalling some mods that add birds and peopleto see what happens.

Excuse my poor grammar i'm not native speaker.

[Algabar]

Mods:

BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp You have a LOT of creature/NPC adding mods installed. These will tax the system and I suggest disabling Birds then see if that improves things

imperious - I have heard this one conflicts with a lot of stuff, have not used the mod before. I doubt it in your case due to the intermittent crash times being a little more random. Or, can you see a pattern of crashing somewhere, a certain spot, cerrtain events happening just before the crash?

 

Patching:

Might consider using a Wyre Bashed patch (lot's of how to's on here and youtube) or many seem to be trying out Mator Smash lately (I haven't tried MS yet). I am religious about adding a bashed patch to every build.

 

Gut feeling, too many NPC/creature adding mods for the hardware to handle...

 

 

 

Good observations. I'd second that.

@OP with a load order like this, you NEED a bashed patch.

 

In addition to what jeedge pointed out: There's also a lot of overhauls in this load order. Fromy my experience, having one or mabye two larger overhauls (e.g. one for Magic, one for crafting...) is alright. Having more overhauls at the same tiome is asking for trouble. You have to be very, very careful regarding mod conflicts, probably install patches and maybe even patches for patches.... If you make a single mistake in this setup procedure, you're probably screwed...

So basically: Less is more - even with load orders...

Edited February 4, 2018 by Algabar

[JohnnynRoger]

If your game isn't stable, then you should at least have a stable game before installing Skybirds or Footprints installed. Generally speaking, these mods are not optimized as per the limitations of the game's engine and not as a fault of the mod authors.

 

Without a bashed patch a lot of your mods are probably missing references in form lists and such. MLU doesn't work properly without a bashed patch.

 

If you're looking to cut back on potential issues then mod selection is critical. The following is mostly just my opinion:

 

Like Algabar said, you should limit "overhauls". Try to only install mods relevant to your current role play. Spells and magic items for mages. Weapons, armor, and smithing for fighters. Sneaking, thieving, and archery for Ranger/Rogues. You don't have to be that strict, but you know what I mean. Same with house mods; you're probably going to strongly prefer a couple and leave the rest vacant. It's best to not install mods that you won't use.

Most of your magic and equipment mods aren't even compatible with MLU without patches that aren't available yet. This might not cause crashes, but MLU is a balancing mod. Mods that change how other systems work might defeat the purpose of the mod or make the game even more unbalanced than it was innitially.

 

The issue that most people have when adding multiple weapon, armor, and spell packs is that there is a high possibility of having issues with balance because these mods are not necessarily designed to be used with one another. This means that you will likely end up in a situation where you might have hundreds of items to choose from, however, most of them become obsolete in the first 10 or so hours when you come across a weapon that simply outclasses the rest in every regard.

Just remember that if you install or uninstall a mod and don't make a new bashed patch and start a new game that you will have problems. Exceptions are not the rule. I typically won't even change my load order once I've made a save.

[sopmac45]

You have a lot of mods conflicting with each other in your load order. Immersive here, immersive there. Beards here, beards there. Just to give you an example. If you know how to use SSEEdit, you will see how many conflicts you have. Personally, I try not to have two mods doing the same thing. Good luck.