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constant random CTDs, can't figure out what mods are causing it


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Hi, I keep encountering seemingly spontaneous CTDs when I'm playing my modded version of Skyrim. I play on an HP OMEN gaming notebook which is capable of running vanilla skyrim with 100+ fps on ultra settings without any crashes, so I know my computer specs themselves aren't an issue. It's also saved to my 2tb external harddrive, which has plenty of space, so I'm fairly certain that isn't the issue either.

 

I'm not very good with understanding how logs work or the specifics of file paths or anything really, so I could really use some help from someone who knows what they're doing (i.e. not me).

 

It happens sometimes when discovering or entering a new cell, or just completely out of nowhere.

 

This is the papyrus log from my latest crash. I can't remember the exact name of location but it was the something Stones and there were two ice wraiths and a Talos shrine (it's near the blackreach/dwarven ruins exit). I had killed the ice wraiths and looked around a bit and then it just CTDd:

[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVATrace log opened (PC)[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (11)>> Player Loaded Game...
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ---- Checking External Compatibility ----
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ---- Compatibility Status ----
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ------ SkyUI: Installed
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ------ Better Vampires: Not Installed
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ------ Predator Vision: Installed
[02/11/2018 - 07:52:59PM] DVA (4)>> ---- End External Compatibility Check ----
[02/11/2018 - 07:53:02PM] DVA (4)>> HasNVEffect: compat_PV_Quest[[huntersvisionscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]] pvEffect[[huntersvisionimodscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]]
[02/11/2018 - 07:53:02PM] DVA (5)>> OnUpdate: dirtyFace[TRUE] dirtyEyes[TRUE]
[02/11/2018 - 07:53:02PM] DVA (9)>> UpdatePlayerComplexion: newFace was none!
[02/11/2018 - 07:53:02PM] DVA (9)>> UpdatePlayerEyes: newHP was none!
[02/11/2018 - 07:54:34PM] DVA (4)>> HasNVEffect: compat_PV_Quest[[huntersvisionscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]] pvEffect[[huntersvisionimodscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]]
[02/11/2018 - 07:55:39PM] DVA (4)>> HasNVEffect: compat_PV_Quest[[huntersvisionscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]] pvEffect[[huntersvisionimodscript <GophersHuntersVisionQuest (1B000800)>]]

here is my LOOT stuff, i think? the tutorial on how to get LOOT logs is out of date.

 

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i tried to preview my post and couldn't edit it anymore (there was no option) and the edit function isn't working for some reason? so here's the rest of my info

 

i have all DLC and i use NMM latest version. I use the latest version of SKSE as well. here is my load order:

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
7 7 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
8 8 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
9 9 HighResTexturePack01.esp
10 a HighResTexturePack02.esp
11 b HighResTexturePack03.esp
12 c SkyUI.esp
13 d FNIS.esp
14 e digitigradekhajiit.esp
15 f DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
16 10 Brows.esp
17 11 Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
18 12 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
19 13 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
20 14 EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp
21 15 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
22 16 Vividian - Extended Weathers - CoT.esp
23 17 ELFX - Weathers.esp
24 18 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
25 19 BosmericDrunkenHuntsmanReborn.esp
26 1a SMIM-Merged-All.esp
27 1b UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
28 1c Immersive Patrols II.esp
29 1d Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
30 1e mihailcyrodiiliandeer.esp
31 1f One With Nature - DG+DB.esp
32 20 RabbitsOfSkyrim.esp
33 21 RealisticNights.esp
34 22 Predator Vision.esp
35 23 sssle.esp
36 24 Spousetocustomhome.esp
37 25 RaceMenu.esp
38 26 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
39 27 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
40 28 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
41 29 Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp
42 2a Vampire's Underwater suffocation FIX 1.2.esp
43 2b VFWC.esp
44 2c LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp
45 2d RaceMenuOverlays.esp
46 2e ElysiumEstate.esp
47 2f mihailwolvesofcyrodiil.esp
48 30 beginnersshack.esp
49 31 HoldBorderBanners.esp
50 32 My Home Is Your Home.esp
51 33 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
52 34 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
53 35 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
54 36 RealisticNightsCOT_DB.esp
55 37 CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
56 38 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp
57 39 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
58 3a Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
59 3b ELFXEnhancer.esp

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ok this is what i did to resolve the problem and i believe there is no other way,i had the same problem,you need to clean your dlc files with tes edit ,then go to the forum and download a save game (for example a clean save without mods)then before you load the save,Make sure you USE all the mods that you ARE SURE that will not cause any crash,for example,waepons and armor mods,then from there ,what i did was to enter the new save game and i started to try to anooy the game to my best ,for example, i started to press f5 every second and f9,i went to npcs attacked then then i pressed f5 like few times and i quick traveled places,i did it for like 3 4 minutes every time and when i was sure the game is STABLE i exit game,put some more MODS and do the same PROCESS all over again,until i know what mod Caused the crash, take note that the best way to mod skyrim is on a Clean save,put all your mods carefully then and only then after u are sure the clean save handles all the mods without a single crash, you can move to your original savegame,and when you are on your original save game ,Save the game few times (not with f5) through the menu,exit the game,enter again, quick save,exit game,enter again,save on menu,and play and pray the game wont crash again XD ! good luck.

btw you should also check if one of your mods requires another mod to function,skyrim can be a pain if you dont know what you're doing

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Check for errors in TES 5 edit if you have it. If not take a peek here https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859 on Nexus. Then head to Gopher's YouTube channel and watch his tutorial on cleaning master files. Then watch GamerPoets tutorials on the same subject. Some of them are older than others. All the information is pertinent so take your time. Soak in lots of info. Then install Tes5 Edit the way that is more suitable to the mod manager you are using. Download and install Bethini --->https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69787 but before you install it watch the tutorial linked in the description. While it does directly reference Skyrim Special Edition Bethini works for all Bethesda's game's.

Hope it helped. If you already know this I'll allow you too shoot me :P

As for your crashes, It could be any number of things from a badly set INI file to Skyrim running into memory management issues. Bad ENB, bad load order. Or last but not least Alduin himself has been corrupted by Molag Bal and your PC/laptop has demons inside it. To exorcize them demons take a peek here http://sotrealms.enjin.com/optimization while the article is written with a specific mod in mind it points to good modding practices and helped me a lot.

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You might find this interesting, I'm about to try it....

 

I just came across this post because I'm having the exact same problem. Brand new to skyrim, have about 50-70 mods, and recently one of the new ones I added started making my game ctd randomly, and once in a blue moon, freeze randomly. I have Loot, Tes, and have done Gopher's cleaning and update suggestions. I'm still having random ctd just like you.

 

So I looked through your mods, and compared them to my mods I have active, and the least popular one that we both have in common is the Armor mods from Hottrooper44. You have the Compilation and Ecksstra, I just have Immersive. I wondered if it could be that and decided to do a google search "immersive armors ctd", and found this post from a couple years ago....... https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3034169-immersive-armors-causing-ctd/

 

Maybe the Compilation and Ecksstra are somehow causing it for you. The reply that helped him out mentioned Ecksstra is HD and needs a Bashed Patch or something, and go after Compilation. Looks like you already have Ecksstra after Compilation, but maybe you need a Bashed Patch, whatever that is....lol I'm still learning.

 

Good Luck, hope the link helps!!

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Ecksstra should load before Compilation, although LOOT quite often loads it the other way around. However I doubt that is causing your problem. You should not use ELFX Weathers with Climates of Tamriel. I recommend the Unofficial High Resolution Patch if you are going to use the High Resolution files. I would recommend a Bashed Patch.

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