Game crashed a few minutes of being in-game! Help teh newbster~!

[JinxiBear]

hey so i'm having a sudden issue with crashing a few minutes after getting in the game. i have used loot and i do have TES5Edit but i'm too afraid to mess with anything. Loot does say i have some dirty files such as ITM, navmeshes and deleted references which are here:

[EDIT]

Update.esm - TES5Edit found 92 ITM records and 3 deleted references. fixed

Dawnguard.esm - found 619 ITM records, 82 deleted references and 57 deleted navmeshes. fixed

Hearthguard.esm - found 184 ITM records, 11 deleted references and 5 deleted navmeshes. fixed

Dragonborn.esm - found 61 ITM records, 8 deleted references and 1 deleted navmesh. fixed

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp - found 6 ITM records

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp - found 2 ITM records


i've tried reading the cleaning guide but it was a little confusing for my newbie brain. i don't see how modders can read that stuff xD anyways i was wondering also if i would have to fix these n how [very simple step by step guide like reading a recipe plz lol] and also if i had my mods in order. i have no idea what could be the cause of my crashing since i went on a 2 day mod spree... lol [what can i say yall have some good mods]

[EDIT] moved some stuff around

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Falskaar.esm

7 7 ApachiiHair.esm

8 8 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

9 9 ApachiiHairMales.esm

10 a ApachiiHairFemales.esm

11 b SkyMoMod.esm

12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

13 d Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm

14 e TeenVoice.esm

15 f MFVM.esm

16 10 RaceCompatibility.esm

17 11 RSkyrimChildren.esm

18 12 OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

19 13 Obl-VB hair.esm

20 14 SGHairPackBase.esm

21 15 Skykids.esm

22 16 SK Drow Child Race.esm

23 17 SK Monli Race.esm

24 18 SK Children of the Sky.esm

25 19 SK TheEyesOfBeauty.esm

26 1a Oblivion hair2.esm

27 1b hdtHighHeel.esm

28 1c HighResTexturePack01.esp

29 1d HighResTexturePack02.esp

30 1e HighResTexturePack03.esp

31 1f TouringCarriages.esp

32 20 Cutting Room Floor.esp

33 21 NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp

34 22 LovelyHairstylesCE.esp

35 23 rgmsvanitymirror.esp

36 24 SkyUI.esp

37 25 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

38 26 Sylgja Remastered.esp

39 27 Sexy Muiri.esp

40 28 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

41 29 AOS.esp

42 2a ELFX - Exteriors.esp

43 2b SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp

44 2c Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

45 2d ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp

46 2e Breezehome for six kids.esp

47 2f Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

48 30 ELFX - Weathers.esp

49 31 SkyMoMod.esp

50 32 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp

51 33 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

52 34 ai overhaul.esp

53 35 amazingfollowertweaks.esp

54 36 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp

55 37 bryling.1.esp

56 38 Clockwork.esp

57 39 TKAA.esp

58 3a UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

59 3b KS_Hairdo's_Lite.esp

60 3c Seductive Lydia.esp

61 3d fantasystylefollowers.esp

62 3e SofiaFollower.esp

63 3f BeaRac.esp

64 40 CatKing.esp

65 41 LABikiniHeavy.esp

66 42 LABikiniLight.esp

67 43 FNISspells.esp

68 44 RatKing.esp

69 45 Vampire Follower - Farith Granius V2.esp

70 46 regnpiercings.esp

71 47 climatesoftamriel.esp

72 48 HearthfireMultiKid.esp

73 49 MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp

74 4a SassyTeen.esp

75 4b Follower Onean.esp

76 4c FNIS.esp

77 4d ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

78 4e ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

79 4f ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp

80 50 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

81 51 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

82 52 Skin Universalizer.esp

83 53 Darklilith.esp

84 54 Draconic Bloodline.esp

85 55 Merta Black Rose Armor.esp

86 56 HentaiSuccubusArmor.esp

87 57 NewVampChainsCuirass.esp

88 58 Witch Of The Wild.esp

89 59 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

90 5a ThunderBirdArmor.esp

91 5b RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

92 5c Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

93 5d SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

94 5e RM Armor AiO.esp

95 5f RM_MensPiercings.esp

96 60 KCEDeathBell.esp

97 61 RM Replacers - Forsworn SoS.esp

98 62 Elewin Pumps 2.esp

99 63 RM Light Elven Armor.esp

100 64 Disparity.esp

101 65 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

102 66 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp

103 67 AyleidPalace.esp

104 68 PrinceandPauper.esp

105 69 SK Vanilla Child Merge.esp

106 6a RM Unicorn Girls.esp

107 6b Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

108 6c ASX_Spells.esp

109 6d azelfollower.esp

110 6e estrionfollower.esp

111 6f dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

112 70 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

113 71 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

114 72 Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp

115 73 WoodElfTeenagerRace.esp

116 74 RedguardTeenagerRace.esp

117 75 OrcTeenagerRace.esp

118 76 NordTeenagerRace.esp

119 77 KhajiitTeenagerRace.esp

120 78 ImperialTeenagerRace.esp

121 79 HighElfTeenagerRace.esp

122 7a DarkElfTeenagerRace.esp

123 7b BretonTeenagerRace.esp

124 7c ArgonianTeenagerRace.esp

125 7d kankaraya.esp

126 7e BikiniMaidenFull.esp

127 7f Sexy Ladies Of Solitude.esp

128 80 mifune-san.esp

129 81 GuildStarter.esp

130 82 FSFAR.esp

131 83 More Hair Colors.esp

132 84 RabbitKing.esp

133 85 Underhearth.esp

134 86 DogKing.esp

135 87 Disparity - SkyKids Patch.esp

136 88 TC-CRF.esp

137 89 Lokir's House.esp

138 8a CarbunkleSummonFollower.esp

139 8b RM - Male Cleric SoS.esp

140 8c Adilya.esp

141 8d RSChildren.esp

142 8e NIOVHH.esp

143 8f SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp

144 90 SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp

145 91 RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp

146 92 TKMN_MoreAdoptableChildren.esp

147 93 High Level Enemies - SIC.esp

148 94 High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp

149 95 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

150 96 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp

151 97 SoS_AOS2_Patch.esp

152 98 SoS_CoT_Patch.esp

153 99 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

154 9a RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp

155 9b SGHairPackAIO.esp

156 9c SK Alt Male Body.esp

157 9d SK Playable Kids Alt Male Body.esp

158 9e SK Lolydia.esp

159 9f monli preset3.esp

160 a0 monli preset2.esp

161 a1 monli preset1.esp

162 a2 SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp

163 a3 SK Playable Kids.esp

164 a4 dD-DG-DB-MM-SiC EBT Patch.esp

165 a5 HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp

166 a6 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

167 a7 [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights +Dawnguard.esp

168 a8 RamuhSummonFollower.esp

169 a9 Shiva.esp

170 aa Callie.esp

171 ab RSChildren Playable.esp

172 ac cmuse_yumi_adoptable.esp

173 ad Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

174 ae HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp

175 af KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

176 b0 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp

177 b1 HDT Female Hairstyles.esp

178 b2 Aelesse.esp

179 b3 Anabel.esp

180 b4 FNISSexyMove.esp

181 b5 12FemaleBrows.esp

182 b6 Female Skin Universalizer.esp

183 b7 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp

184 b8 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp

185 b9 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp

186 ba BelkoFollower.esp

187 bb Bridgetfollower.esp

188 bc Emfy Cleric Robes.esp

189 bd TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

190 be Lex.esp

191 bf LanyaFollower.esp

192 c0 LBackpackAll.esp

193 c1 CharacterMakingExtender.esp

194 c2 Facelight.esp

195 c3 [kiki]follower_Nightley.esp

196 c4 _YoungHuman.esp

197 c5 [kiki]kkFollowers.esp

198 c6 Umekas - Male Follower.esp

199 c7 SK Drow Taldyn.esp

200 c8 LiliFollower.esp

201 c9 [kiki]follower_RoyelBoy.esp

202 ca [kiki]follower_Ake_Adopted.esp

203 cb MELON2cicero.esp

204 cc MELON3onmund.esp

205 cd MELON4vilkas.esp

206 ce MeguminExplosion.esp

207 cf OK_Cecile.esp

208 d0 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

209 d1 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

210 d2 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

211 d3 SoS_ImmersiveCitizens_Patch.esp

212 d4 Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp

213 d5 ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp

214 d6 ELFXEnhancer.esp

215 d7 SoS_ELE_Patch.esp

216 d8 Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp

217 d9 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

218 da Bashed Patch, 0.esp

and yes again i use loot to organize them and i read the descriptions the best i can... i've noticed a good amount of them don't even say anything about the mod. x.x i also use NMM, Bodyslider, SKSE and FNIS.

Are there any mods i dont need or need a different one of [explain briefly] or conflict? also i've read that the installation order is just as important as load order.... if it isn't too much to ask what installation order do i need as well? maybe i messed up somewhere? i hope someone out there can fill my tall order and sit down and explain things with me. so far i've gotten the sort of general idea of it all just to barely get by but i still feel like im stumbling around in the dark even with video guides and written out help guides. [i have a slight personal comprehensive issue] I came here as a last resort and all of this has me so stressed out i literally have a bald spot to prove it. x.x uhm and ik i got off topic but these are my only guesses as to why it isnt working.... i just dont know how to fix it entirely....

thanks so much for anyone's help!

[EDIT]

So i was continuing to look up how to clean my dirty files with tes5edit and found this! first great how to video i've seen in a week!! now my files are nice and clean! however i haven't checked to see if it fixed my crashing issue just yet. ill come back and let you know. :D also i didnt clean the last two because i didnt know if u could or not? o.o

i still need help figuring out what mods i do n don't need and what are not compatible or if there is something that i need to manually change the load order around.

[EDIT]

welp it crashed still... now what... :/


[EDIT]

Edited February 14, 2018 by JinxiBear

[Pippboss]

Step one is lots of research you found the man of moment with Gophers tutorials. I'd also take a peek at GamerPoets YouTube channel along with Dirtyweasel media. All 3 of these guys have some exceptional help and guides. One thing I did notice is you have one of the official texture packs selected and the other two are not. Most likely have some serious conflicts If you went on a modding spree. As you use NMM a good way to quickly check what has errors in them is to load up your entire load order with Tes 5Edit. If it finds an error it will stop the background loader and tell you what the error is. It wont tell you how to fix it. But most of the time it will be a load order issue. Move offending mod where it needs to be. When you can get to the end of the load order without it stopping you are on the right tracks. You may need to do this many times. You might not. Loot is great but its far from perfect

 

Example error

 

[00:08] Background Loader: [RealisticWaterTwo.esp] Processing completed
[00:08] Background Loader: Fatal: <Exception: "RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp" requires master "RealisticWaterTwo.esp" to be loaded before it.>
[00:11] Background Loader: finished

I created that error just for this post by moving one mod up or down in my load order in MO then I ran xEdit to provide you with this example

 

Then I would load up the entire load order select all the mods in that load order up until the unofficial patch. (never mess with that one it will break mods that rely on it).

As for a definitive guide as to how to fix that specific load order I don't think one could be written sadly. Way too many variables.

I'll link you to some wizardry called BethINI https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69787 it sets up INI files for Skyrim. The mod page also has a link to a YouTube tutorial that explains how to use it. How to set it up. You may also want to switch to a tool called Mod Organizer. At the moment its the modders choice when it comes to Skyrim because it allows you to visually see what is conflicting with what. It also never writes anything to Skyrim folder so you can just delete the lot and run vanilla Skyrim if you wanted to :ohmy:

I may not have been much help but you need to use your own judgment, maybe some mods need to be removed completely. You could use feed back from Tes5 Edit as a guide.

Best advice though, you will hate.

 

I'd deactivate all of the mods then delete my Skyrim data folder then head to steam and re verify skyrim and get it back to a vanilla state then run Skyrim once

i'd clean the masters as shown in Gophers tutorial then start reactivating the mods in a more logical order. I'd also test a lot along the way. Its very time consuming. You may also need to download and install 'crash fixes' an make sure you test its working. An MO tutorial can be found in Dirtyweaselmedia's 2016 modding guide.

Test along the way. Remember Skyrim is awesome modded. Start off easy with unofficial patches. Then anything marked as an ESM. Then SKSE (watch Gopher's guide) then i'd run UI stuff like skyui maps and anything else in your load order. Armor mods all together, weapon mods all together. NPC' mods you will need to use the mod pages as a guide along with things like Body slide. Texture mods generally don't come with an ESP so install order is not so important but it actually is unless you want missing texture's.

You'll also need an ENB and (depending on your pc) a pre-set so you can run the memory hacks although Crash fixes can work around it. Then using logic id re activate the rest of the mods and use LOOT along the way. At the bottom or rather last id then install FNIS and any mods dependent on it. Then run generate FNIS for users. See the mod page and watch setup tutorials

 

Your game is running a very heavy load order. At Skyrim start up the game has a lot going on as scripts fire for 1st time and the game starts in the cart. This can be a major problem with starting the game. Even perfectly stable modded games can crash. Download and install ''Alternate Start live another life'' which allows you to start in a prison and create your character. It then starts all the mods up. The benefit in this means the stress on the game engine is lower. Then if you wish you can actually do a vanilla start. Also great for testing along the way. You can make a vanilla character and test it out as a base line. Without the need to constantly go through the vanilla start every time you want to test a mod is working. If you can get a stable game learn to stress test it with everything running at increased speed. Convenient horses (horse mod) comes with a built in script latency test. Its worth running the mod just for that feature alone. It can give you a good indication as to how the game will run. High script latency is bad news.

 

Good luck, take your time. Learn what the mods are doing to the game. Don't be afraid to experiment but follow mod author's advice. Use Loot, Test test test.

Edited February 13, 2018 by Pippboss

[JinxiBear]

Step one is lots of research you found the man of moment with Gophers tutorials. I'd also take a peek at GamerPoets YouTube channel along with Dirtyweasel media. All 3 of these guys have some exceptional help and guides. One thing I did notice is you have one of the official texture packs selected and the other two are not. Most likely have some serious conflicts If you went on a modding spree. As you use NMM a good way to quickly check what has errors in them is to load up your entire load order with Tes 5Edit. If it finds an error it will stop the background loader and tell you what the error is. It wont tell you how to fix it. But most of the time it will be a load order issue. Move offending mod where it needs to be. When you can get to the end of the load order without it stopping you are on the right tracks. You may need to do this many times. You might not. Loot is great but its far from perfect

 

Example error

 

[00:08] Background Loader: [RealisticWaterTwo.esp] Processing completed

[00:08] Background Loader: Fatal: <Exception: "RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp" requires master "RealisticWaterTwo.esp" to be loaded before it.>

[00:11] Background Loader: finished

I created that error just for this post by moving one mod up or down in my load order in MO then I ran xEdit to provide you with this example

 

Then I would load up the entire load order select all the mods in that load order up until the unofficial patch. (never mess with that one it will break mods that rely on it).

As for a definitive guide as to how to fix that specific load order I don't think one could be written sadly. Way too many variables.

I'll link you to some wizardry called BethINI https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69787 it sets up INI files for Skyrim. The mod page also has a link to a YouTube tutorial that explains how to use it. How to set it up. You may also want to switch to a tool called Mod Organizer. At the moment its the modders choice when it comes to Skyrim because it allows you to visually see what is conflicting with what. It also never writes anything to Skyrim folder so you can just delete the lot and run vanilla Skyrim if you wanted to :ohmy:

I may not have been much help but you need to use your own judgment, maybe some mods need to be removed completely. You could use feed back from Tes5 Edit as a guide.

Best advice though, you will hate.

 

I'd deactivate all of the mods then delete my Skyrim data folder then head to steam and re verify skyrim and get it back to a vanilla state then run Skyrim once

i'd clean the masters as shown in Gophers tutorial then start reactivating the mods in a more logical order. I'd also test a lot along the way. Its very time consuming. You may also need to download and install 'crash fixes' an make sure you test its working. An MO tutorial can be found in Dirtyweaselmedia's 2016 modding guide.

Test along the way. Remember Skyrim is awesome modded. Start off easy with unofficial patches. Then anything marked as an ESM. Then SKSE (watch Gopher's guide) then i'd run UI stuff like skyui maps and anything else in your load order. Armor mods all together, weapon mods all together. NPC' mods you will need to use the mod pages as a guide along with things like Body slide. Texture mods generally don't come with an ESP so install order is not so important but it actually is unless you want missing texture's.

You'll also need an ENB and (depending on your pc) a pre-set so you can run the memory hacks although Crash fixes can work around it. Then using logic id re activate the rest of the mods and use LOOT along the way. At the bottom or rather last id then install FNIS and any mods dependent on it. Then run generate FNIS for users. See the mod page and watch setup tutorials

 

Your game is running a very heavy load order. At Skyrim start up the game has a lot going on as scripts fire for 1st time and the game starts in the cart. This can be a major problem with starting the game. Even perfectly stable modded games can crash. Download and install ''Alternate Start live another life'' which allows you to start in a prison and create your character. It then starts all the mods up. The benefit in this means the stress on the game engine is lower. Then if you wish you can actually do a vanilla start. Also great for testing along the way. You can make a vanilla character and test it out as a base line. Without the need to constantly go through the vanilla start every time you want to test a mod is working. If you can get a stable game learn to stress test it with everything running at increased speed. Convenient horses (horse mod) comes with a built in script latency test. Its worth running the mod just for that feature alone. It can give you a good indication as to how the game will run. High script latency is bad news.

 

Good luck, take your time. Learn what the mods are doing to the game. Don't be afraid to experiment but follow mod author's advice. Use Loot, Test test test.

 

Thanks so much. I'm trying not to redo all my mods [unless i absolutely have to] so ima' try doing everything else first. I took your advice and did the TES5EDIT thing to find errors and such. to my surprise most of them are looking pretty good besides two errors i found. the witch of the wild one i can't figure out how to fix and idky i'm getting the first error or how to fix it as well.... i'll send you a log file in my original post

[Pippboss]

The back ground loader manages to finish. Which tells me you can try a skyrim start up. Expect it to crash though.

Questions. Did you run FNIS for users after installing your animations?

Did you run Body slide and create and generate a body for Body slide? You may also need a body CBBE or UNP along with a (Skeleton) XP32SME. The skeleton will work for both body types its also needed for the fella's from SoS but you need to pick a body type and then pick through all your armour mods and make sure you have the right armour for the right body. Them armor mods require the UNP or CBBE body (only one) and the corresponding armour file. IE CBBE body with CBBE armour. Or just deactivate Emfy and any other armours that require a certain skeleton. Then Set up a body/skeleton. Again this can get complicated quickly so watch some or as many tutorials on the web. Get it wrong your game will crash, You'll have mismatching textures and or meshes. It can get messy fast.

in Summary

Realistic ragdolls and force <--install

XP32 skeleton Install it but pick options for a certain body type UNP based or CBBE based. As you have body slide already installed, pick options for it. You may need to reinstall this and check its installing for the right body this program does both.

CBBE or UNP Install either depending on the skeleton you just installed.

 

I think fastest way to get you into game is to deactivate them armour mods that come with HDT physics and that bashed patch. Now test Skyrim. IF you can get into the game and stay in game do a stress test. See if it crashes.

Ok after further inspection I can see 4 mods that Have these requirements.

85 55 Merta Black Rose Armor.esp

86 56 HentaiSuccubusArmor.esp

87 57 NewVampChainsCuirass.esp ?? not sure about that one

Emfy. Might be more of em you'll have too check.

If it runs then do the body install (watch tutorials) then install/reactivate the armours. Run body slide and then FNIS for users. It should all be back together and working. As for its stability I cant say. Most of your load order is alien to me I'm afraid. As for that bashed patch, until you know you have some semblance of stability. Go into skyrim/Data and delete it. Its one of the last things you do an only do if you know you need it. Only if the game will require it. Having a bad bashed patch will kill Skyrim pretty fast lol.

Good luck hope it works :smile:

Edited February 14, 2018 by Pippboss

[leonardo2]

I know you need to have a USLEEP+CRF+RDO AFT patch active,

 

209 d1 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

210 d2 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

Also, you shouldn't have UFO active at the same time as AFT since both mods are incompatible. Either uninstall AFT or UFO (I don't use UFO), if you want a stable modded game.

58 3a UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

Edited February 14, 2018 by leonardo2

[Pippboss]

I think AFT will probably be best. Good eyes btw Leonardo :P

[leonardo2]

You're welcome. :)

[Taedus]

Not really sure how stable AFT is, but UFO is outdated so you should remove that. I'm using EFF and it works fine. You should read this discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/41klwr/what_is_the_musthave_follower_mod_aft_ufo_eff_etc/. After reading that I decided EFF was a better mod.

 

Also, don't blindly trust LOOT. It just checks what masters your files need and kinda randomizes the rest. You should put all ELFX addons at the bottom, after the main ELFX mod but before the Bashed Patch. Not saying it will help with CTD, but it's the recommended load order.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Taedus