Maharg67 Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 This topic has drifted way way of the subject. Slavery could be left for another topic. Perhaps this topic has gone as far as it can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgators Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Funny, I thought the Republican party (of Lincoln's day) abolished Slavery... In the US it did (America was the libertarian movement I was referring to) but slavery was not new to America. It was in fact very normal through most of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Funny, I thought the Republican party (of Lincoln's day) abolished Slavery... In the US it did (America was the libertarian movement I was referring to) but slavery was not new to America. It was in fact very normal through most of history. Not the Chattel Slavery on the scale and scope that was practiced in the US. That was a complete anomaly unique to the time and place. There were slaves and servitude in other parts of the world, including Africa, but their treatment was considerably more humane. But let's be clear that the subject is not slavery but idealized governments, and an idealized government that enforces slavery is not one to be idealized. Libertarian governments would probably not allow foreign boots on the ground, but they certainly allow wealth to dictate policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 >snip<But let's be clear that the subject is not slavery but idealized governments, and an idealized government that enforces slavery is not one to be idealized. Libertarian governments would probably not allow foreign boots on the ground, but they certainly allow wealth to dictate policy.Just curious Myr, what governmental form in your estimation would not let the acquisition of wealth dictate policy? Even the Chinese go down that route so am somewhat at a loss to conjure up a current government that does not bow to that form of economic pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgators Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 idealized governments Your words, I am simply wishing we return to the roots of the government that built the greatest nation in history. While not perfect it's better than anything else I have seen. Certainly better than the corporate police state that now exists. they certainly allow wealth to dictate policy. Not the libertarian government that *should* exist but please tell me the form of government that does NOT allow wealth to dictate policy. With examples please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 >snip<But let's be clear that the subject is not slavery but idealized governments, and an idealized government that enforces slavery is not one to be idealized. Libertarian governments would probably not allow foreign boots on the ground, but they certainly allow wealth to dictate policy.Just curious Myr, what governmental form in your estimation would not let the acquisition of wealth dictate policy? Even the Chinese go down that route so am somewhat at a loss to conjure up a current government that does not bow to that form of economic pressure. They're all bending to the corporatocracy of globalization, aren't they. Ideally a true social democracy as opposed to a Republic would be a good start. And the US government of the mid 20th century was a pretty good place to start. You wanna know what I really think? I think money ruins everything. I think people who amass an amount of money that is far more than they need, often get spoiled into thinking that they are "more special" and "more deserved" and that those people who do have worries are "less special" and "less deserved". Max Weber wrote extensively about a divine providence aspect of capitalism, beyond that true statement I'm really not at liberty to pursue the full extent of it here, but I think it is at the heart of this still significant pervasive influence, however in my experience, I'll just say, the Chinese should have stuck with the ideals of Confucius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamujiin Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 No offense, i fail to see how any of the last few posts have anything to do with this debate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 No offense, i fail to see how any of the last few posts have anything to do with this debate....YAWN......Digression is the soul of this forum, get used to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 No offense, i fail to see how any of the last few posts have anything to do with this debate....YAWN......Digression is the soul of this forum, get used to it.. Noting that this also has nothing to do with the "debate" at hand: The Nexus debate forum is more like a conversation debating a topic; (and it's supposed to be a friendly conversation at that). There has never been a real debate here, people pay no attention to rules of logic or conduct and it might as easily be here as in your back yard over some beers. This is a conversation with a very informal debate. Digression is the soul of conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannywils Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 No offense, i fail to see how any of the last few posts have anything to do with this debate....YAWN......Digression is the soul of this forum, get used to it.. Noting that this also has nothing to do with the "debate" at hand: The Nexus debate forum is more like a conversation debating a topic; (and it's supposed to be a friendly conversation at that). There has never been a real debate here, people pay no attention to rules of logic or conduct and it might as easily be here as in your back yard over some beers. This is a conversation with a very informal debate. Digression is the soul of conversation. Yay Myrmaad!!!:dance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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