FO:76 ONLINE mods and the LAW

[zanity]

Watch any of the post E3 interviews with Todd and his team? There have been loads, and Todd has been very careful to never lie.

 

Anyway, if you have you'll notice a common theme. The innocent expectation by the person asking the question that the game MUST have an offline, single player mode, even if such mode would be limited and point the player back to online play. The person asking the question knows of many previous RPG games designed for online play that did allow an initial offline experience.

 

Each time the questioner is taken aback when Todd declares Fallout:76 is ALWAYS online. But there is a simple, very depressing reason why.

 

In the West nations originating from the UK (like America, Canada and Australia) the legal system revolves around a concept called PRECEDENT. Put simply, the extent of any law is TESTED in court- and successful prosecution judgements extend the scope of any given law by 'precedent'.

 

Activision spents tens of millions 'buying' 'justice' to have UNAUTHORISED online mods declared ILLEGAL under all circumstances. That is why you won't find FORTNITE mods on nexus, even tho said mods could be COSMETIC and have no impact on gameplay.

 

Zenimax LOVES suing people even more than Activision. And Zenimax knows there is no possible legal mechanism to have offline mods controlled by permission of the publisher- none.

 

For instance, Beth may SAY it loves free (offline) mods on the Nexus, but there is literally nothing Beth could do so stop them (although, obviously, if Beth hadn't released the tools, mods would be fewer and mostly less impressive).

 

But without Beth's EXPLICIT permission, Nexus cannot host mods for Fallout:76- and no, this isn't even up for debate. Since Beth has to give EXPLICT permission to Nexus, and Nexus is a commercial operation that makes no money for Beth, what possible motivation would Beth have in granting permission. None.

 

So even tho an offline single player mode is technically trivially for Fallout:76, and even tho fans desperately want this mode, it will NEVER happen. Todd will not allow a legal backdoor for independent modding for this new game (or any future Beth title).

 

To conclude- may I advise everyone to track down the many leaked industry presentations by psychologists and addiction experts talking about the future of 'gaming as a service'. I got a temp ban from this forum, for instance, when I dared talk about how the owner of Steam actually employed an addiction specialist, and set up illegal gambling services aimed at children (via steam paid Youtube 'influencers' and others) - a project that came crashing down when Gabe was warned that Europe and American governments were about to crack down hard on such abuses in gaming. Steam closed down its illegal gambling operations overnite.

 

But game publishers are in a 'safer' place, since they can bake the gambling and addiction exploits directly into their titles, circumventing CURRENT law. And only one word properly describes this new trent - GREED.

 

Never forget, Beth made an INNOCENT fortune from Skyrim and Fallout 4. And the money-making possibility for these innocent single player open-world RPGs has actually gone up. But pure GREED means this guaranteed return is simply not good enough for Todd. He isn't moving on cos old school open world RPGs no longer make a return on investment. That at least would be a capiltalistic excuse. No, it is 100% greed at the expense of the decent innocent gamer.

 

Sorry, guys, for our type of gaming, with respect to Beth, the Age of Innocence is over. The legal implications of third-party modding re:any always online game are absolute and now set in legal stone (thanks to Activision, WoW etc). With Fallout:76 (described in brutal honesty by Todd) what you see is what you are going to get. And Nexus mods will play the SAME role in Fallout:76 as they do in Fortnite:Battle Royale- ie., none at all.

Edited June 17, 2018 by zanity

[WastelandAssassin]

first of all , I didn't see you post any sources upon which you base your claims here

I don't disagree with anything here , I just don't have the information to make an informed decision

 

but I do have a small question about this whole argument you've made

I'm thinking to myself , if all of this is true , how is it that the Nexus has a site for Battlefront 2 , which aside from being about 99% multiplayer (and from what I've seen , the mods do work in multiplayer) , and aside for it being published by EA , which is one of the greediest companies out there , but it's also the game that is responsible to what is probably the biggest judicial controversy in the history of gaming

if a game like that can have free mods , why do you think it would be impossible to see mods in FO76 or similar games? am I missing something? is my argument completely irrelevant? I really have no idea , and I'm honestly asking this

 

also , and this is for all users that might be reading this , please keep this debate civil . it would be a shame to see this devolve into a flame war or something like that , and it would be an even bigger shame to have to close the topic or start removing posts or even users from the debate . so try to keep this civil , or preemptively leave the discussion altogether . thanks in advance :cool:

[RS13]

it would be an even bigger shame to have to close the topic or start removing posts or even users from the debate . so try to keep this civil , or preemptively leave the discussion altogether . thanks in advance :cool:

This topic should be closed because Zanity is either outright lying or wildly ignorant of the law. There is simply no precedent of the sort he claims there is, nor would anyone even vaguely familiar with the working of US law think any court would possibly hand down such a sweeping precedent.

Edited June 19, 2018 by RS13

[Dukoth]

seriously dude, you have got to have something better to do with your time other than type out these sermons of insanity

 

GET A GRIP

[Moksha8088]

After reading Zanity's post, I am having conjured images of Neuro-Marketing Scientists gently infusing a subliminal message into the game: Be happy, feel loved, and become popular by purchasing these amazing microtransactions.

[Moksha8088]

After reading Zanity's post, I am having conjured images of Neuro-Marketing Scientists gently infusing a subliminal message into the game: Be happy, feel loved, and become popular by purchasing these amazing microtransactions.

Ha! That sounds like a pikers version of an effective subliminal microtransaction sales message. Try these on for size:

 

1. Microtransactions are sturdier than an inflatable girlfriend.

2. Easily remove problem blemishes and blackheads with microtransactions.

3. Microtransactions will keep mom from nagging you about gaming.

4. Microtransactions are better than a real date.

5. Bullies will leave you alone when they know you have microtransactions.

[Moksha8088]

 

That sounds like a pikers version of an effective subliminal microtransaction sales message. Try these on for size:

 

Another subliminal message for microtransaction sales.

 

Aged Hippie approach - Like Microtransactions are peace and love man. You can roll the Reclaimed Paper "DLC" into a doobie.

 

The Trump approach - Microtransactions will make me the greatest in the Universe, Bigger than Thanos. Microtransactions will make my hands and other parts YUGER. Bethesda's microtransactions are bigly unpresidented. Covfe?

[mrmini]

I've seen a few online games with mods, not impossible with private servers, and Bethesda will make money renting them out.