Overpowered Block and Curious Terms

[fftfan]

You'd probably have to take up a situation where you said nothing wrong and got blocked anyway with the staff, despite what the block message says. They have already said, even in this thread, that someone legitimately abusing the system could get taken to task for that. That person wasn't OP obviously, but still.

 

An author can only block someone from their content if they have commented in one of their mod threads. So if you never post anything in their threads, they can't block you.

I see thanks. I must have missed that in the topic, will check through again. Actually your post earlier that you had been file blocked is what got me curious about "what if somebody got blocked but did nothing wrong?"(Unless I am mistaken and you are just referencing from memory what it says from another case or I'd misinterpreted)

 

I totally 100% understand trolls & flamers getting blocked but IMO it kind of sucks if a positive contributing member gets file blocked without any reason.

[aphilion]

Nah buddy, everyone got the point. You're an adult child who can't accept they're wrong and is now throwing a temper tantrum.

The more I read this, the more I find it as baiting. I'm surprised you haven't been flagged before.

 

Should point out I'm not a moderator. Also i mention rule that doesn't appear to be relevant to the topic by mistake.

Wasn't talking about you. As I remember a moderator actually said something about people messaging them directly for help in disputes. But, my point was the verbiage in the block message is pretty misleading, if thats the reality.

Also it is your inability to understand us that is the issue. Oh and none of us care what reddit users nor what loverslab people have to say about the feature.

Or maybe you guys are a little too keen to jump on the mob wagon? Like I said... vultures starting to circle. And no one cares? I see. So, what people have to say about a feature doesn't matter? As long as its said outside the nexus? Maybe that says something?? Maybe they're to afraid to speak their mind here. From the way you guys have been coming at me, I can't imagine why. It's OK. I have no problem holding my own. Ps- I love how you totally judged me for my comment, and completely ignored the lousy comment above me. Wow...just wow.

 

You waltzed into a mod authors store, complimented him, asked a couple questions.

 

He answered.

 

You didn't like the answer, and reacted badly.

 

The mod author blocked you.

 

That is the mod author tools working EXACTLY the way they are supposed to.

 

Why is that so hard to understand? Those types of comments are PRECISELY WHY the system was implemented in the first place.

 

You were in the wrong here. Now, here you come, trying to rationalize away your blunder, by claiming 'the system is broken'. Bull Feces.

 

YOU SCREWED UP! Actions have consequences. You are now paying the price for your own mistake. Learn to live with it.

Why are we still debating this? I don't care anymore. I'm talking about blocking, and the rules of why and how its seemingly broken. "gotta get off, this merry-go-round..."

 

As threads go, this has been entertaining. Watching someone dig themselves deeper and deeper.

As integrity goes, I can't imagine you have any, since you merely step in from the sidelines to take a kick, and step back out.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Or maybe you guys are a little too keen to jump on the mob wagon? Like I said... vultures starting to circle. And no one cares? I see. So, what people have to say about a feature doesn't matter? As long as its said outside the nexus? Maybe that says something?? Maybe they're to afraid to speak their mind here. From the way you guys have been coming at me, I can't imagine why. It's OK. I have no problem holding my own. Ps- I love how you totally judged me for my comment, and completely ignored the lousy comment above me. Wow...just wow.

no. we care about features and will discuss them, and we have. you just don't listen so there isn't much point in discussing it. also yes I am judging you based off what you say, this thread and what you said on the mod page are the only things I know of you so far and so far... you have acted poorly as such I judge you poorly. that is the nature of human beings. I also know all of these other users to various degrees as I have been here a while and I mostly understand or at know their views. also aside from you know one here has said anything I would honestly disagree on.

 

The reason we don't care what Reddit and Loverslab is because they tend to be childish and whiny and try to pretend to be victims when they are "wronged" in some way. like saying "I called this modder a 'dick' after he told me no when I asked him to port his mod." and then getting blocked/banned for it.

[aphilion]

 

I'm so tired of debating this. I keep saying that this thread isn't about what happened. I already admitted, in the beginning of this thread, I was out of line. I admitted that. Multiple times. And I still stand by my reply. If you're short, crass, rude, belittling, whatever... in ANY scenario, someone is usually going to respond the same way or worse. I also said, that there was no way for me to apologize, and that per instructions of the message I got, when blocked, I was basically S.O.L.

But because you guys keep bringing it up, Lets use your example of a store: I come in. I praise your store. Say its the best. And while you read a paper, giving me very little acknowledgement, I ask multiple questions, hoping for a polite, or even respectful response. Without looking up from your paper you just say "NO"... which... doesn't even make sense to some of the questions I asked. In fact, its a rude way of saying "I'm not going even humor you to even explain anything other than NO"

 

... yeah... I'd call you out for being a rude prick too. Sure. You could throw me out. But it doesn't make you in the right. Owning a store doesn't give you the right to be rude.

 

Now...before everyone has kittens about my hypothetical scenario: Did I over-read his response? Who knows. He didn't reply, or even allow me to PM him. He just blocked me and moved on. That's some pretentious bs.

It all depends entirely on what questions you asked, and how you asked them. But guess what? This may come as a shock to you, but that store owner has the right to be rude to you just as much as you seem to think you have the right to be rude to him (or the mod author as well). As such, if he decided you're being a pretentious jackass he can kick you out of the store and there's nothing you can do about it. "We reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE" is the principle in operation here. It applies equally to your retail scenario and to this issue you caused with the mod author.

And still... debating what I did to get blocked. Don't care. Rude begets rude.

 

I will post, again, what pops up when you're blocked:

“The author of this mod has blocked your access to this file. This is not an error with the site and the Nexus staff will not get involved with unblocking your access, so do not contact the moderation team for help. Accessing an author's mod page is a privilege, not your right.You can try to amicably resolve this issue with the mod author, if they'll let you, but be warned: if you are rude or break our terms of service when contacting the mod author and they report you it's extremely likely you will be banned completely from these sites. Is it worth it? You decide.”

Seen it. Got one of my own on Shurah's page for Immersive Citizens I can refer to even. So what? That message is far FAR less "rude" than the original one that used to be there. The guy blocked you. Get over it. He obviously does not want to deal with you and none of us can blame him for that now after all of this.

 

If you had pulled this on one of my mod pages I'd have blocked you for it too.

Wait...so because its "less" rude then it was, then it's good now? What kind of backwards logic is that? He blocked me. I am over it. You guys are the ones who don't seem to be. And no, he didn't have the prescience to know that this would happen.

 

And "you all?" What, all 8 or so posters? Big deal. I hardly feel that a small thread, were most of you are biting the mob mentality and are aberrant from any normal ability to read and look past your own projections, hardly denote "none of us". As if the whole modding community, and nexus now disagrees with me? Come off it. Granted, the site owner chimed in, and I respect what he had to say about it. Albeit I disagreed with small stuff. But I wasn't disrespectful to him in any way. If anything I high-fived him for his awesome website and program. And I'm allowed to respectfully disagree. Isn't that what these discussions are for?

 

Imagine I had done nothing wrong, or had no idea what I did to get blocked??

Ah, the battlecry of one who wishes he had been wronged but really wasn't. You think we haven't all heard this one before?

Its an honest question to a potential problem. But watching this mob clumsily attack me, in an attempt to have me submit; I can't imagine why you've heard it before and never made the connection.

Now, since you guys think I'm crazy, I would gladly provide a link to a forum outside the nexus, which talks EXACTLY about this issue (the block button) here on the nexus. I won't post the link, because I don't know if that's breaking any of the forum rules... (it's unclear in the terms) but if Robin, or one of the moderators say its cool, i'll post in this discussion.

We don't care what Reddit or Lover's Lab thinks. Most of those people whining about it in those places got blocked for totally good reasons, and in many cases went on to be abusive to the mod author afterward and got banned entirely. Find a better selection of people without a strong anti-Nexus bias and maybe you'll convince someone.

Why would you? It would go against what you believe. Can't have that. Maybe these people are too afraid to speak their concerns here... watching all this unfold, I cannot imagine why... you guys are so inviting.

Look-I'm not just stirring the water because I'm butthurt.

Sorry, but you totally are and you're the only one who can't see that.

I'm glad your ability to perceive so much while blindly missing my point, tells you so much about me. You must be a jedi!

I don't understand how nobody here... sees any of this...

Largely because you're the wrong person to bring a "wrongful block" action up in the forum since you insulted the guy. You're lucky to still be here posting. Most folks who insult mod authors get banned outright for that. Perhaps someone was lenient with you this time. You should consider yourself lucky.

Ah ha! Finally! What I've been waiting to hear. Thank you. "I'm the wrong guy. Because I was blocked, by what some could consider rightfully; I now, no longer have a say on the rules".

 

I mentioned this fallacious logic earlier, but nobody was listening. People were to busy jumping in, trying to get a quick kick in instead of reading. Mob mentality and all. I suspected a sense of elitism between modders and users. Especially pertaining the rules. But I waited for the elitist comment to arrive. And here we are.

 

Perhaps someone was lenient with me? "I'm sorry me lord. In the future, us plebs will keep the respect high and our heads down... and submit to thine ways..." What a load of pretentious bs. Consider myself lucky??? I've done nothing wrong save call someone a dick for being a dick. That action got me blocked from said author. I already stated MULTIPLE times, if I had a way, I would've sent a message to apologize. Hell, without being blocked, I still would've retracted my comment. Not because of fear from "thine modding lords". But because I was having a bad day, and once it passed I realized I could've been way more tactful with the mod author, even if he was being rude. But not only did I not have that ability, since he blocked any messages from me... I realized after some research, that the whole system seemed flawed ANYWAYS. So here we are: the forum about discussing RULES AND TERMS not peoples CHARACTER or RIGHT to chime in on this platform.

 

But thank you, for finally pointing out the fallacious logic I've been seeing.

Edited July 7, 2018 by aphilion

[aphilion]

 

Seen it. Got one of my own on Shurah's page for Immersive Citizens I can refer to even. So what? That message is far FAR less "rude" than the original one that used to be there. The guy blocked you. Get over it. He obviously does not want to deal with you and none of us can blame him for that now after all of this.

 

If you had pulled this on one of my mod pages I'd have blocked you for it too.

This kinda got me wondering.

 

Technically speaking, is there such a thing as misuse of the file blocking system? Anything we could do if actually gotten blocked for literally nothing? Not a case where a user's downplaying or misrepresenting the situation but for literally nothing like the author simply had a bad mood or dislikes their avatar or name? Like let's say hypothetically all I did was say "Thank you for your contribution, <Mod Author>. I really like your mod!" and got blocked for it or I politely make a simple request and got blocked for it. Or worst case I never commented at all and got blocked anyways(IDK how this works?)? Or if I look in the comments, someone commented "I love your mod!" and author replied with "Blocked." should I report that? Would it be considered abuse of the feature if a user has never ever made any toxic or rude post ever yet got file blocked?

 

This topic got me curious so I checked in the Terms & Policies, did not find anything about this. My understanding after finding it not present is that it would be fair game to do so?

 

Yes. These are the questions I was asking.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

I've done nothing wrong save call someone a dick for being a dick. That action got me blocked from said author. I already stated MULTIPLE times, if I had a way, I would've sent a message to apologize. Hell, without being blocked, I still would've retracted my comment. Not because of fear from "thine modding lords". But because I was having a bad day, and once it passed I realized I could've been way more tactful with the mod author, even if he was being rude.

the thing is... you aren't sorry dude... you clearly repeat that numerous times. you have contradicted yourself on this at least 3 times now in the same post. you perceived (wrongly) that the modder was being rude and you decided to be a jerk and got what you deserved for it. then you tried to apologize for calling him a dick... but you still think he is a dick. in the process, you ended up finding out that a modding site is promodder and got mad about it.

[aphilion]

 

 

Or maybe you guys are a little too keen to jump on the mob wagon? Like I said... vultures starting to circle. And no one cares? I see. So, what people have to say about a feature doesn't matter? As long as its said outside the nexus? Maybe that says something?? Maybe they're to afraid to speak their mind here. From the way you guys have been coming at me, I can't imagine why. It's OK. I have no problem holding my own. Ps- I love how you totally judged me for my comment, and completely ignored the lousy comment above me. Wow...just wow.

no. we care about features and will discuss them, and we have. you just don't listen so there isn't much point in discussing it. also yes I am judging you based off what you say, this thread and what you said on the mod page are the only things I know of you so far and so far... you have acted poorly as such I judge you poorly. that is the nature of human beings. I also know all of these other users to various degrees as I have been here a while and I mostly understand or at know their views. also aside from you know one here has said anything I would honestly disagree on.

 

The reason we don't care what Reddit and Loverslab is because they tend to be childish and whiny and try to pretend to be victims when they are "wronged" in some way. like saying "I called this modder a 'dick' after he told me no when I asked him to port his mod." and then getting blocked/banned for it.

 

I think you do care. I believe you.Sincerely.

 

I went back and reread your comments. Despite judging me for having a bad day (one I was very honest about, and one which the owner even posted and inadvertently validated my honesty). I admit, that in my OC, I wrote the words erroneous, which were written out of bitterness. I did call the MA a name. Regardless, if it was deserved or not. I admit, it was in poor taste. People make mistakes. People have bad days. In retrospect, after praising the dude, his shortness with me and my questions, were depicted as uber rude. Doesn't validate my reaction. But, it happened. I reacted. Whatever. It is what it is.

 

That being said, hear me out:

 

Ignoring now all of what I said, and looking at the block tool objectively: the only reason you need to block someone is, they comment. Which opens up the window of misuse. If you block also their ability to communicate, that breaks any line to not only apologize for any wrong doing, but also removes any ability to ask the author if it was an accident. Also-The message that pops up, is somewhat heavy handed, and intimidating to those who fear being banned. Which, I assume deters people seeking resolution. Being file blocked from cool mods sucks. But that's a seemingly heavy punishment, which should be used as a last line of defense, not the first option for modders. If you do care, and I believe you do, ask yourself: none of this seem broken to you?

 

Also, being someone who can admit when I'm wrong, I agree what I did was...welll... dick. Haha. (Even though there are those here repeatedly refusing to hear that). If I had the opportunity to take the comment down, or message the author I would've. Not because I want to use his mods, but because its the right thing to do. But the system, being broken or somewhat flawed, I have no ability to do so.

 

Ps- for those reading: I'm letting go of the profanity thing. If that's the site owners preference... so be it. Its his site. His rules. I don't get it. And I still think its the kettle calling the pot black. But whatever. I obviously rarely visit this forum. And per the OC, I still think its a curious term of use.

[aphilion]

 

 

I've done nothing wrong save call someone a dick for being a dick. That action got me blocked from said author. I already stated MULTIPLE times, if I had a way, I would've sent a message to apologize. Hell, without being blocked, I still would've retracted my comment. Not because of fear from "thine modding lords". But because I was having a bad day, and once it passed I realized I could've been way more tactful with the mod author, even if he was being rude.

the thing is... you aren't sorry dude... you clearly repeat that numerous times. you have contradicted yourself on this at least 3 times now in the same post. you perceived (wrongly) that the modder was being rude and you decided to be a jerk and got what you deserved for it. then you tried to apologize for calling him a dick... but you still think he is a dick. in the process, you ended up finding out that a modding site is promodder and got mad about it.

 

Just because I think the guy was rude, and was being a dick, didn't mean I was unaware of the neglectfulness of calling him one. I've admitted It wasn't cool on my part. I can disagree with his actions while still condemning my own. Like I said, rude begets rude.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Ignoring now all of what I said, and looking at the block tool objectively: the only reason you need to block someone is, they comment. Which opens up the window of misuse. If you block also their ability to communicate, that breaks any line to not only apologize for any wrong doing, but also removes any ability to ask the author if it was an accident. Also-The message that pops up, is somewhat heavy handed, and intimidating to those who fear being banned. Which, I assume deters people seeking resolution. Being file blocked from cool mods sucks. But that's a seemingly heavy punishment, which should be used as a last line of defense, not the first option for modders. If you do care, and I believe you do, ask yourself: none of this seem broken to you?

no, I do not think this is broken. if a modder wanted to block someone because they spelled Mississippi with an 'E' then I believe they have that right. do I think that is petty and childish? yes, yes I do, but does that mean their right to do so should be taken away? no no I don't.

 

 

Just because I think the guy was rude, and was being a dick, didn't mean I was unaware of the neglectfulness of calling him one. I've admitted It wasn't cool on my part. I can disagree with his actions while still condemning my own. Like I said, rude begets rude.

so you aren't sorry you are just sorry you said it out loud... that doesn't make it better

 

 

I think you do care.

I care about the Nexus, its staff, the modders, the users, and that plant in the corner (that honestly ties the whole place together nicely) and their futures.

[aphilion]

 

 

Ignoring now all of what I said, and looking at the block tool objectively: the only reason you need to block someone is, they comment. Which opens up the window of misuse. If you block also their ability to communicate, that breaks any line to not only apologize for any wrong doing, but also removes any ability to ask the author if it was an accident. Also-The message that pops up, is somewhat heavy handed, and intimidating to those who fear being banned. Which, I assume deters people seeking resolution. Being file blocked from cool mods sucks. But that's a seemingly heavy punishment, which should be used as a last line of defense, not the first option for modders. If you do care, and I believe you do, ask yourself: none of this seem broken to you?

no, I do not think this is broken. if a modder wanted to block someone because they spelled Mississippi with an 'E' then I believe they have that right. do I think that is petty and childish? yes, yes I do, but does that mean their right to do so should be taken away? no no I don't.

Then we disagree. Thats ok in a discussion. But the discussion should make others think. Which it has. And I hope it continues to. Even though there are those here jealous I'm taking you guys away from "more important" discussions. Maybe I'll stick around.. lol.

 

Just because I think the guy was rude, and was being a dick, didn't mean I was unaware of the neglectfulness of calling him one. I've admitted It wasn't cool on my part. I can disagree with his actions while still condemning my own. Like I said, rude begets rude.

so you aren't sorry you are just sorry you said it out loud... that doesn't make it better

It doesn't have to be better. Look...we have all kinds of opinions of people. You said earlier, your opinion of me isn't high either (that may change at some point...I grow on people...lol). Based on the limited information you've read from me. But you refrain from calling me names.

 

My opinion of his response wasn't high, based on the little info I read. I just voiced it in an inappropriate manner. Which I agree, isn't ok.