kevkiev Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I totally agree with your 1-5 star rating Idea. The Endorsements do not accurately show the quality of a mod. Alas, although I think that's not a bad idea, I don't think it would fly. The ability to give 1 star would be close to the previous ability to give a thumbs down or "not endorsed" or whatever it was called, which was abolished awhile ago. I can't recall all the reasons, but it was the subject of some debate and, yeah, in the end it was abolished. A person really has to go through the comments thread to see if anyone's having problems (and take a lot of that with a grain of salt given that a lot of peeps are pretty quick to wrongly accuse mods of wrecking this or that when in fact it's a different issue entirely - quite often a simple matter of PEBKAC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedavis Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 ... I can't recall all the reasons, but it was the subject of some debate and, yeah, in the end it was abolished... Interesting. Sad how many Debates i've missed. If you happen to come across any links to such debates, please let me know. Curiousity can eat at my brain. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorwynKelm Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 "HEY LOOK! FREE s***!!!!" *YOINKS!* /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodfellowGoodspring Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Do have stats on downloads made by non-members as well? Are endorsements anything more then a visual 'thank you?' Maybe some members feel that a comment describing their experiences with the mod is more helpful and useful then a number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnsentience Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 @lnsentience I now know that you do not fully understand the purpose of the ratio.*sigh* I'm going to stop bothering with you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukittn Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 ...Are endorsements anything more then a visual 'thank you?' Maybe some members feel that a comment describing their experiences with the mod is more helpful and useful then a number? That's kinda how I view em. Might be wrong of me to do so, but if I like the idea of a mod and download it only to find out it doesn't suit my game or isn't all that stable, I'll still endorse it to thank the modder for their work and then leave a comment for feedback and hope for improvement if its a stability issue. Alas, there seem to be quite a few out there who have nothin better to do than trash the effort people have made for the most asinine reasons or spam the comment threads howling about how a mod broke their game so I think the silent "thank you" could be just as useful in many cases to balance that out. I know that other modding sites such as modthesims has a similar 'button' that actually does say thank you. Maybe its cause of those that I view the endorsement button here the same way. On the flip side, I treasure every little endorsement my mods have gotten for the same reason, especially the one with no comments at all. It serves as an encouragement to keep working on them and my modding skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanxx Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Maybe the Star rating would be a good idea IF you could only rate it after you had Downloaded it, I assume that it all fell apart and was canceled before due to people not liking certain mods and thus giving a thumbs down/one star even though they didnt actually try the mod (ie some people have issues with anime mods or bikini chainmail or cheat mods etc and rather than ignore the mods feel the need to take their dislike to the chat comments of the said mod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedavis Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 Maybe the Star rating would be a good idea IF you could only rate it after you had Downloaded it, I assume that it all fell apart and was canceled before due to people not liking certain mods and thus giving a thumbs down/one star even though they didnt actually try the mod (ie some people have issues with anime mods or bikini chainmail or cheat mods etc and rather than ignore the mods feel the need to take their dislike to the chat comments of the said mod) I agree with this...there have been some mods that I find REVOLTING that I wish could be banned from the NEXUS. But even those mods have supporters that endorse and comment on how much they love that mod. The star system (if used before downloading, or even after) could cause the kind of issues you meantioned. Which is why the NEXUS managers probably chose the easy way...ENDORSEMENTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 As a newbie modder, the thing that has mattered to me most since day 1 as a "sign" that I'm doing OK is how my endorsement/unique download ratio compares to the "top" mods. I don't care if I have 2 endorsements or 200, as long as I'm getting a % of endorsments/udl's that's comparable to known quality mods. Actually I expect there's to be lower than mine as top mods are more likely to attract "hit and run" downloads. Smaller mods SHOULD do better, because I reckon most early-adopters of decent looking mods by unknown authors are probably regular site users who you've interested enough to have a look regardless of whether they even want the mod. While a mod is small (and if its GOOD, crucially) it's earliest downloaders are likely to be exactly the people most likely to use the endorse system, and realise what their support in doing so means to a new modder. I don't view 3-5% as a bad ratio at all to be honest. I mean it would be nice if everyone endorsed who liked but I'm a human, I know I forget and I expect others too as well. I was genuinely surprised when I found it was that high. FWIW I currently have three small mods, with 11.5% 3.7% and 2.3% The BEST mod of the 3, from the point of view of the feedback it's received, the time it took, how "finished" it is, how much interest it's attracted and people made videos etc etc etc, the clear best of the 3, is the one with 3.7%. The 11.5% is a Bible mod which quite a few people have detested enough to get themselves banned over it. I don't necessarally view this as a "great" ratio myself, as there are other distorting factors: it's a fairly "unique" mod that caters to a unique community - so I expect a higher proportion of downloaders will like it (even if just because there's not much out there like it so it's "better than nothing") and therefore, more endorsements relative to udl's. Raaaambling reply, sorry, basically I was just trying to say that the ratio you are measuring is very important (at least to me - I've said before I'd love to see it as a sort by option on the Nexus mod categories etc), but don't expect to really be able to draw many reliable conclusions from just comparing raw stats unless you have an intimate knowledge of every one of the mods you are talking about as well. The individual distorting factors are likely in many cases to be greater than the effect of the overall "trend". Oh and I wholeheartedly support whoever suggested adding the endorse button to NMM - that is a 100% certified solid gold genius idea as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnsentience Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (ie some people have issues with anime mods or bikini chainmailI laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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