Skyrim Nexus Endorsement Ratio

[tetradite]

Sorry, just finally finally, lnsentience is correct - the fact that membership is required to endorse, and membership is required to download some files but not others DOES distort the ratio.

 

I doubt that it's by enough to make comparison meaningless, but it DOES undoubtedly distort the ratio so you can't make a meaningful direct comparison without factoring it in.

[thefinn]

I totally asked for this in the NMM Beta forum and got shot down ;)

 

A LOT of those mods have that many endorsements because Skyrim MOD Sanctuary puts them in a utube video and a bazillion people download and try it and then .5% or something endorse.

 

Today I saw some mod that had been downloaded 800 times get a 5% endorsement ratio - just noone knows about it - it would be REALLY nice to see endorsement ratio as well as most endorsements in the hot lists.

Edited May 24, 2012 by thefinn

[leedavis]

@tetradite

 

Hey thanks for sharing those figures. You may be quite right, even though the percentages are low, maybe the modders are happy with it. I suppose I should ask. LOL!

 

BTW you and lnsentience will have to better explain HOW it distorts the figure, cause I'm not seeing how. Whether your a member or not, by downloading and not endorsing, the Ratio is lowered.

Do you agree with that???

 

As stated before, the Ratio is for determining how many Users are (and are NOT) Endorsing, Member or Not a Member. Yes, only Members can Endorse, but Non-member can register, then Endorse if they really like the mod?

Do you agree with that???

Do you agree that not all Members are Endorsing mods they download???

 

Now if, per-say, a non-member can download repeatedly, and NEXUS considers each DL as a Unique Download, that would make the Ratio obsolete.

 

So Please better explain how it fudges the Ratio.

Thanks.

 

ADDED COMMENT:

If a member downloads a mod and does not Endorse, the Ratio goes down.

If a non-member downloads a mod and CAN"T Endorse, the Ratio goes down.

If a member Downloads a mod, and Endorses, the Ratio goes up.

 

Argo, ONLY MEMBERS CAN IMPROVE THE ENDORSMENT RATIO.

END ADDED COMMENT.

Edited May 24, 2012 by leedavis

[tetradite]

@tetradite

 

BTW you and lnsentience will have to better explain HOW it distorts the figure, cause I'm not seeing how. Whether your a member or not, by downloading and not endorsing, the Ratio is lowered.

Do you agree with that???

 

As stated before, the Ratio is for determining how many Users are (and are NOT) Endorsing, Member or Not a Member. Yes, only Members can Endorse, but Non-member can register, then Endorse if they really like the mod?

Do you agree with that???

Do you agree that not all Members are Endorsing mods they download???

 

Now if, per-say, a non-member can download repeatedly, and NEXUS considers each DL as a Unique Download, that would make the Ratio obsolete.

 

So Please better explain how it fudges the Ratio.

Thanks.

 

ADDED COMMENT:

If a member downloads a mod and does not Endorse, the Ratio goes down.

If a non-member downloads a mod and CAN"T Endorse, the Ratio goes down.

If a member Downloads a mod, and Endorses, the Ratio goes up.

 

Argo, ONLY MEMBERS CAN IMPROVE THE ENDORSMENT RATIO.

END ADDED COMMENT.

 

Only members can improve the ratio, but non-members can lower it. As they can d/l but not endorse. This only applies to the smaller sized files so this lowering effect only happens to mods which don't require membership to download. Several non members dowbnload a file: its udl's go up and it's endorsements don't, nothing to do with one non-member making multiple downloads, and it WILL lower the endorsement ratio.

 

The fact that anyone could register if they wanted to is close to irrelevant, because we are dealing with humans and equality of opportunity (everyone can register) does not equal equality of outcome (everyone does register). You cannot realistically expect someone to register to endorse (maybe you can "morally" expect it but not in a statistical analysis).

 

Once again, I highly doubt that it's a large enough effect to make comparison pointless, but it IS an effect that you need to consider.

 

When you are comparing statistics you find out EVERY variable which is likely to effect your data, you remove or isolate the ones you can and you make allowances for the ones you can't.

 

This is my only attempt to explain this further, as I suspect that this is going to be like explaining the rules of cricket, you either already get it or you need a good teacher. I am not a good teacher.

[lnsentience]

BTW you and lnsentience will have to better explain HOW it distorts the figure, cause I'm not seeing how. Whether your a member or not, by downloading and not endorsing, the Ratio is lowered.

Do you agree with that???

tetradite explained it well. I have nothing more to add.

[eltucu]

I try to see views to downloads ratio every now and then for my mods and other's. Not that i would say "I GOT MUR PWNLOADS PER VIEWS THAN SKYUI!" of course :P

[leedavis]

I agree with most of what you have said, but I have a few questions for clarification, if you don't mind.

 

I don't, however, agree with this statement...

 

Only members can improve the ratio, but non-members can lower it. As they can d/l but not endorse. This only applies to the smaller sized files so this lowering effect only happens to mods which don't require membership to download.

 

As I stated earlier, members that DL and do not Endorse, LOWER the ratio. And NOT non-members only, regardless of whether it is Downlaodable to non-members.

 

And concerning this statement...

 

Once again, I highly doubt that it's a large enough effect to make comparison pointless, but it IS an effect that you need to consider.

 

When you are comparing statistics you find out EVERY variable which is likely to effect your data, you remove or isolate the ones you can and you make allowances for the ones you can't.

 

And how would you adjust the Ratio to compensate for this Variable???

 

Thanks.

[tetradite]

I agree with most of what you have said, but I have a few questions for clarification, if you don't mind.

 

I don't, however, agree with this statement...

 

Only members can improve the ratio, but non-members can lower it. As they can d/l but not endorse. This only applies to the smaller sized files so this lowering effect only happens to mods which don't require membership to download.

 

As I stated earlier, members that DL and do not Endorse, LOWER the ratio. And NOT non-members only, regardless of whether it is Downlaodable to non-members.

 

And concerning this statement...

 

Once again, I highly doubt that it's a large enough effect to make comparison pointless, but it IS an effect that you need to consider.

 

When you are comparing statistics you find out EVERY variable which is likely to effect your data, you remove or isolate the ones you can and you make allowances for the ones you can't.

 

And how would you adjust the Ratio to compensate for this Variable???

 

Thanks.

 

OK, seriously last reply on this.

 

Q1) I never said that only non-members lower the ratio, please reread. Look at it this way, there are a series of raising and lowering effects happening, which we can list:

 

FILES REQUIRING MEMBERSHIP can have their ratio RAISED BY MEMBERS who dl and endorse and LOWERED BY MEMBERS who dl and do not endorse. There are 2 Effects in play for files requiring membership - one raising and one lowering.

 

FILES NOT REQUIRING MEMBERSHIP can have their ratio RAISED BY MEMBERS who dl and endorse and LOWERED BY MEMBERS who dl and do not endorse just like the 'restricted' files, but their ratios are ALSO LOWERED BY NON-MEMBERS who dl and don't/can't endorse. There are 3 effects in play for files not requiring membership, one raising and TWO lowering.

 

Q2) I'd want a LOT more data to work with, I mean a LOT more data. The brute force zero-complications approach would be to have 2 seperate lists, but that kinda defeats the purpose of your exercise.

 

The long winded way would be more like, find out the ratio of all files requiring membership and all files not requiring membership and work out how far to adjust by the overall difference you find there, but that would be a hell of a lot of work unless you could talk the Nexus into dumping the stats into a db for you.

 

Compromise approach would be just effectively ignore it, but stick an * next to mods which require membership stating that these are likely to have a higher ratio because of that fact.

 

Night night :)

Edited May 25, 2012 by tetradite

[leedavis]

I...LMAO....I was washing dishes (Someone has to)...when it finally clicked...I went to my PC to add a comment about how I understand what you two meant...to find you had actually explained it the same way I figured it out...

 

So your skills as a good teacher are good. You just needed some time...

 

Yes, there is a difference between the Ratios of Membership Required files and Non-Mebmership Required files, but I need to know the EXACT files and NEXUS's standards before I can update the list.

 

Thanks both of you for the time in explaining this.

[Tamb0]

Another point to take into account. Although this is an English language website, I think you'll find that a lot of people who use the site, are non-english speaking and probably don't understand what 'ENDORSE ME' actually means.

 

It would probably be better putting a 'thumbs up' picture next to the 'endorse me' button. It's also my understanding that this is a very rude gesture in some parts of the world, so people who hated your mod and thought it was absolute crap, would end up endorsing the mod as well :biggrin: