CTD on new game

[Noximilien]

So today I tried to install hybrid and the patch for imperious but after a while it seemed like F5 would just CTD, so I decided to load an older save and everything went well for a while, I could press F5 without any issue, I progressed through the game normally but then pressing F5 would again crash the game...

 

I decided to say, well f- it, I'll start over once more now that I feel like my game's well moded but whenever I launch a new game I get a CTD, and I deleted all my other saves but still, CTD, LOOT only shows me 1 warning wich is for Better Dynamic snow ( A patch is included with the No snow under the roof installer, please make sure you have installed the Better Dynamic Snow SE patch and have it activated ).

 

No errors, no dirty plugins. Yet always CTD when I launch a new game (it is probably connected to the character creation because before I restarded the whole thing, it would always CTD when using showracemenu or racemenu alternative.)

 

Any idea how I could fix it without having to uninstall everything ?

 

Here's my load order

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp
254 FE 1 UHDAP - en0.esp
254 FE 2 UHDAP - en1.esp
254 FE 3 UHDAP - en2.esp
254 FE 4 UHDAP - en3.esp
254 FE 5 UHDAP - en4.esp
5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
6 6 RSkyrimChildren.esm
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
8 8 ApachiiHair.esm
9 9 BSAssets.esm
10 a BSHeartland.esm
11 b BS_DLC_patch.esp
12 c Falskaar.esm
13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
14 e SexLab.esm
15 f SexLabAroused.esm
16 10 CreatureFramework.esm
17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
18 12 RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
19 13 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
20 14 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
21 15 FNIS.esp
22 16 SkyUI_SE.esp
23 17 iHUD.esp
24 18 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
25 19 Customizable Camera.esp
26 1a Footprints.esp
27 1b dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
28 1c dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
29 1d Vivid WeathersSE.esp
30 1e icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
31 1f Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
32 20 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
33 21 JKs Skyrim.esp
34 22 BreezehomeByLupus.esp
35 23 OpulentThievesGuild.esp
36 24 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
37 25 skyBirds_SSE.esp
38 26 cliffs.esp
39 27 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
40 28 SOS - Shop.esp
41 29 Distinct Interiors.esp
42 2a Distinct Interiors - Inns.esp
43 2b Distinct Interiors - Shops.esp
44 2c Book Covers Skyrim.esp
45 2d Distinct Interiors - Guilds.esp
46 2e Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
47 2f MoreNastyCritters.esp
48 30 Bijin Warmaidens.esp
49 31 KS Hairdo's.esp
50 32 Bijin Wives.esp
51 33 RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
52 34 RSChildren.esp
53 35 Spells Emit Light - Dim.esp
54 36 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
55 37 Immersive Movement.esp
56 38 WeightLessLegacyAll.esp
57 39 WetandCold.esp
58 3a fastermining3-3.esp
59 3b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
60 3c FastTravelFromInteriors.esp
61 3d Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp
62 3e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
63 3f Dr_Bandolier.esp
64 40 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
65 41 Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
66 42 Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp
67 43 Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp
68 44 Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
69 45 AllArmorWorn-NoHelmet.esp
70 46 Battle Vixen Loadscreens.esp
71 47 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
72 48 Serana.esp
73 49 FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp
74 4a Valerica.esp
75 4b FemaleWerewolf.esp
76 4c VioLens SE.esp
77 4d CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
78 4e ReasonableMovementSpeed.esp
79 4f Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp
80 50 ae_SoulExchange.esp
81 51 moonpath.esp
82 52 JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
83 53 Believable Crime Report Radius.esp
84 54 ZedUnlimitedWeaponEnchant.esp
85 55 TavernGames.esp
86 56 Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp
87 57 TheCleaner.esp
88 58 ArrowRecoverySystemOverhaul.esp
89 59 Skysan_Icicle.esp
90 5a imp_helm_legend.esp
91 5b Player Blink Fix.esp
92 5c Better Dynamic Snow.esp
93 5d The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
94 5e RSC Falskaar Patch.esp
95 5f RSC Populated Skyrim Patch.esp
96 60 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
97 61 Smoking Torches.esp
98 62 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
99 63 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
100 64 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
101 65 MoreColorfulAuroras.esp
102 66 SlightlyFasterHorses.esp
103 67 FNISSexyMove.esp
104 68 Shout warnings removed.esp
105 69 Unlimited Shouting.esp
106 6a SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
107 6b Distinct Interiors - Miscellaneous.esp
108 6c SexLab More Creatures.esp
109 6d Immersive Music.esp
110 6e SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
111 6f JKs Skyrim_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp
112 70 Run For Your Lives.esp
113 71 fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
114 72 Immersive Wenches.esp
115 73 YurianaWench.esp
116 74 Immersive Patrols II.esp
117 75 Skyrim Better Roads - Solitude.esp
118 76 Vigilant.esp
119 77 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
120 78 Skyrim Better Roads - Whiterun.esp
121 79 NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
122 7a NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp
123 7b Maxine - Zombie Follower.esp
124 7c Vigilant Voiced.esp
125 7d Skyrim Better Roads - Ivarstead.esp
126 7e SPTKatlaSailReangleSE.esp
127 7f TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
128 80 FNISspells.esp
129 81 AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
130 82 SLAnimLoader.esp
131 83 DW.esp
132 84 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
133 85 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
134 86 NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
135 87 SOS - ERF - HighPoly Addon.esp
136 88 SOS - ERF - HighPoly Equipable.esp
137 89 Projectile Speed Tweak.esp
138 8a SexLabMatchMaker.esp
139 8b Louder Nature - Birds and Insects.esp
140 8c Moonpath Music.esp
141 8d One With Nature.esp
142 8e HentaiCreatures.esp
143 8f autoloot.esp
144 90 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
145 91 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
146 92 TerrainLodRedone.esp
147 93 SIC - ICH Patch.esp
148 94 SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp
149 95 NoNakedComments.esp
150 96 SexLabDefeat.esp
151 97 SLALAnimObj.esp
152 98 SOSRaceMenu.esp
153 99 XPMSE.esp
154 9a Move it Dammit - Less Wait Time.esp
155 9b Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
156 9c Bruma - Alternate Start.esp
157 9d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
158 9e JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
159 9f RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
160 a0 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
161 a1 Immersive Weapons.esp
162 a2 Bijin NPCs.esp

 

 

EDIT: Also forgot to mention that I did check the game files on steam just in case

[Jyotai]

I'm not familiar with racemenualternative but I do know that SOSracemenu.esp is an empty plugin. It is a 'blocker' whose only purpose is to prevent you from using the MCM menu to alter the schlong size of your own character should that character be male (so I didn't know this for a while, until I was messing around with making some custom followers and the tiny microscopic default size of the schlong just bothered me seeing it on my screen, in a "why is my character not even adult down there" way... even though the setting is not something I could put onto an NPC export, it bugged me to see it on screen, so I looking into the cause and found out sosracemenu.esp is actually a file they recommend deleting...)

- Essentially it was made for a project they never went on to do... which was supposed to bring the schlong slider into character creation... but when they didn't do that, they also didn't bother to stop "shipping the bad file"...

 

That said... it is a blank esp. There is no risk to having it. So it won't be the cause of your CTD.

 

So now we come back to racemenualternative.

 

I do not know that mod. But Having spent a lot of time trying to get racemeny and enhancedcharactereditor working (both at the same time as well as individually when trying to pick one of them)... I have seen that the whole interaction of character making during a new game is extremely sensitive...

 

I do see that you have Alternate Start...

- I find that with ECE and Alternate Start, if I stay in the room for Alternate Start for more than a minute, I will CTD... so on new games I immediately hit R, enter on the name prisoner, run to the shrine, rapidly pick a choice, and speed myself to the bed to start that choice hoping to outrace the CTD...

- I make it about 80% of the time only because I have found the choices I like most for 'test games'...

(I also find that if I go too fast, I go faster than Alternate Start's quest loadup... and it fails leaving me stuck in the room, and then the ECE / Alternate Start issue CTDs me...)

 

I am guessing that your racemenualternative mod and alternate start are having a similar issue...

 

- how much time do you get in game before a CTD? Is it immediate or can you walk around in that dark cellar room for a bit? If you do get some time... try speeding out of character creation, load your start to either an inn or camping in the wilds, and do character creation there...

- do you still get CTDs after you make it out of alternate start's starting room?

 

(If you do then your issue is not like mine at all, so I don't yet have any ideas...)

 

 

 

One last piece of input... I see several mods listed after alternate start. Alternate start recommends being your last mod. But I know some other mods also recommend that... But it would be best to not have anything after it that is heavily scripted, like follower tweaks...

- Put something like amazing follower tweaks higher up.

 

I do NOT think this is the source of your CTD... it's just general advice.

 

That said... I do see some mods above Amazing Follower Tweaks that are actually dependent on it... That might be a cause of CTDs, later into the game... and it leads me to believe your mods in general might need some sorting.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Jyotai

[Noximilien]

I'm not familiar with racemenualternative but I do know that SOSracemenu.esp is an empty plugin. It is a 'blocker' whose only purpose is to prevent you from using the MCM menu to alter the schlong size of your own character should that character be male (so I didn't know this for a while, until I was messing around with making some custom followers and the tiny microscopic default size of the schlong just bothered me seeing it on my screen, in a "why is my character not even adult down there" way... even though the setting is not something I could put onto an NPC export, it bugged me to see it on screen, so I looking into the cause and found out sosracemenu.esp is actually a file they recommend deleting...)

- Essentially it was made for a project they never went on to do... which was supposed to bring the schlong slider into character creation... but when they didn't do that, they also didn't bother to stop "shipping the bad file"...

 

- how much time do you get in game before a CTD? Is it immediate or can you walk around in that dark cellar room for a bit? If you do get some time... try speeding out of character creation, load your start to either an inn or camping in the wilds, and do character creation there...

 

racemenualternative is a less heavy version of the game's racemenu that allows to modify your character during gameplay (but even with that it crashed) it's a power that can only be used during a playthrough.

For the CTD, it's instant. I think it's really related to the game's racemenu but I wouldn't know how to fix it.

 

EDIT: I got rid of SOSracemenu.esp but that didn't change a thing.

[Noximilien]

I tried using mod organizer but no success, here's the new load order though

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp
254 FE 1 UHDAP - en0.esp
254 FE 2 UHDAP - en1.esp
254 FE 3 UHDAP - en2.esp
254 FE 4 UHDAP - en3.esp
254 FE 5 UHDAP - en4.esp
5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
6 6 RSkyrimChildren.esm
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
8 8 ApachiiHair.esm
9 9 BSAssets.esm
10 a BSHeartland.esm
11 b BS_DLC_patch.esp
12 c Falskaar.esm
13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
14 e SexLab.esm
15 f SexLabAroused.esm
16 10 CreatureFramework.esm
17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
18 12 RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
19 13 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
20 14 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
21 15 FNIS.esp
22 16 SkyUI_SE.esp
23 17 iHUD.esp
24 18 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
25 19 Customizable Camera.esp
26 1a Footprints.esp
27 1b dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
28 1c dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
29 1d Vivid WeathersSE.esp
30 1e icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
31 1f Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
32 20 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
33 21 JKs Skyrim.esp
34 22 BreezehomeByLupus.esp
35 23 OpulentThievesGuild.esp
36 24 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
37 25 skyBirds_SSE.esp
38 26 cliffs.esp
39 27 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
40 28 SOS - Shop.esp
41 29 Distinct Interiors.esp
42 2a Distinct Interiors - Inns.esp
43 2b Distinct Interiors - Shops.esp
44 2c Book Covers Skyrim.esp
45 2d Distinct Interiors - Guilds.esp
46 2e Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
47 2f MoreNastyCritters.esp
48 30 KS Hairdo's.esp
49 31 Bijin Wives.esp
50 32 RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
51 33 RSChildren.esp
52 34 Spells Emit Light - Dim.esp
53 35 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
54 36 Immersive Movement.esp
55 37 WeightLessLegacyAll.esp
56 38 WetandCold.esp
57 39 fastermining3-3.esp
58 3a Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
59 3b FastTravelFromInteriors.esp
60 3c Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp
61 3d Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
62 3e Dr_Bandolier.esp
63 3f DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
64 40 Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
65 41 Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp
66 42 Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp
67 43 Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
68 44 AllArmorWorn-NoHelmet.esp
69 45 Battle Vixen Loadscreens.esp
70 46 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
71 47 VioLens SE.esp
72 48 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
73 49 ReasonableMovementSpeed.esp
74 4a Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp
75 4b ae_SoulExchange.esp
76 4c moonpath.esp
77 4d JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
78 4e Believable Crime Report Radius.esp
79 4f ZedUnlimitedWeaponEnchant.esp
80 50 TavernGames.esp
81 51 Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp
82 52 TheCleaner.esp
83 53 ArrowRecoverySystemOverhaul.esp
84 54 Skysan_Icicle.esp
85 55 imp_helm_legend.esp
86 56 Player Blink Fix.esp
87 57 Better Dynamic Snow.esp
88 58 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
89 59 RSC Falskaar Patch.esp
90 5a RSC Populated Skyrim Patch.esp
91 5b RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
92 5c Smoking Torches.esp
93 5d SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
94 5e SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
95 5f SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
96 60 MoreColorfulAuroras.esp
97 61 SlightlyFasterHorses.esp
98 62 FNISSexyMove.esp
99 63 Shout warnings removed.esp
100 64 Unlimited Shouting.esp
101 65 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
102 66 Distinct Interiors - Miscellaneous.esp
103 67 SexLab More Creatures.esp
104 68 Immersive Music.esp
105 69 SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
106 6a JKs Skyrim_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp
107 6b Run For Your Lives.esp
108 6c fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
109 6d Immersive Wenches.esp
110 6e YurianaWench.esp
111 6f Immersive Patrols II.esp
112 70 Skyrim Better Roads - Solitude.esp
113 71 Vigilant.esp
114 72 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
115 73 Skyrim Better Roads - Whiterun.esp
116 74 NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
117 75 NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp
118 76 Maxine - Zombie Follower.esp
119 77 Vigilant Voiced.esp
120 78 Skyrim Better Roads - Ivarstead.esp
121 79 SPTKatlaSailReangleSE.esp
122 7a TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
123 7b FNISspells.esp
124 7c AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
125 7d SLAnimLoader.esp
126 7e DW.esp
127 7f SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
128 80 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
129 81 NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
130 82 SOS - ERF - HighPoly Addon.esp
131 83 SOS - ERF - HighPoly Equipable.esp
132 84 Projectile Speed Tweak.esp
133 85 SexLabMatchMaker.esp
134 86 Louder Nature - Birds and Insects.esp
135 87 Moonpath Music.esp
136 88 One With Nature.esp
137 89 HentaiCreatures.esp
138 8a autoloot.esp
139 8b ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
140 8c FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
141 8d TerrainLodRedone.esp
142 8e SIC - ICH Patch.esp
143 8f SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp
144 90 NoNakedComments.esp
145 91 SexLabDefeat.esp
146 92 SLALAnimObj.esp
147 93 XPMSE.esp
148 94 Move it Dammit - Less Wait Time.esp
149 95 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
150 96 Immersive Weapons.esp
151 97 Bijin Warmaidens.esp
152 98 Serana.esp
153 99 FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp
154 9a Valerica.esp
155 9b FemaleWerewolf.esp
156 9c Bijin NPCs.esp
157 9d Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
158 9e Bruma - Alternate Start.esp
159 9f RealisticWaterTwo.esp
160 a0 JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
161 a1 RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

 

[Noximilien]

I fixed it, apparently the mod for Yurianna not only uses ks hairdos but it also overwrite some of its files. So I reinstalled KS hairdos and let it overwrite the Yuriana files and now the game works! (the ks hairdos haircuts in the character creation don't seem to work but at least the game works)