cumbrianlad Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hello there. The reason for the question is that I've got so fed up with the behaviour of certain UK government departments that I felt like building a few references to them into my mod. Most of these will be subtle, some less so, none will be libellous. All of them will have a degree of satirical humour. I wondered if Nexus had any sort of rules regarding this. It wouldn't break any Skyrim lore for those that want immersion to be consistent and I've played and enjoyed mods like 'outlaws and revolutionaries' (excellent mod, kudos to the authors) which blatantly make statements criticizing a certain game studio in just this fashion. For non-UK players they wouldn't notice what I'd done: a lot of UK players may spot it and have a good laugh about it (saving those who work for the government departments involved, but I don't care about them... that's the point) Is this OK? Vive la revolucion!... sorry, I've just enjoyed la tour de France and I got a bit carried away. (Congrats to Geraint Thomas, by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosstieger Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 According to the Nexus guidelines you are allowed to upload such a mod as long as you are not getting personal. So I wouldn't add names or pictures of someone or something. Inappropriate Content....Content that may be generally construed as provocative, divisive, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive toward any real-world individual or group, may be subject to moderation. This includes but is not limited to content involving politics, race, religion, gender identity, sexuality, or social class....https://help.nexusmods.com/article/28-file-submission-guidelines Tbo I would be more "afraid" of people not understanding your humour and calling you out for it. It's 2018 after all. People get offended by absolutely everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangela Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Well.. I prefer to keep politics out of places that are otherwise devoid of them because politics just breed negative feelings and make for a poor atmosphere. Mods shouldn't contain real world references to politics, but then the in game politics is no different than what's going on in the world. All in all, it's your call. They can agree with you and download, or disagree with you and take the reference all sideways and out of context and post essay length messages on your mod comments page. Edited August 1, 2018 by Rasikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyotai Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 We used to have a tradition of things like Robert's Rules of Order, Civil Disobedience, good Civics education, and required classes in primary education on things like Debate and Speech that led to people being more able to discuss diverging views and opinions. We've lost all of that at the same time that we should need it most: when social media and diverse global communities have led us to have more interactions with people of different viewpoints, cultures, and experiences. Political commentary is likely unwise in a platform not designed for it in an age where many societies are getting more partisan and breaking down their systems of public discussion / debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrianlad Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 thanks for the opinions people. I'll give it a lot of thought before I go ahead with it. So far I've only made a couple of new Thalmor banners and a sign for GATOS Healthcare (Guild Of Associated Torturers of Skyrim). Since both the banners and sign could be considered 'provocative towards a real world group' I'm leaning towards not including it, which is a shame. it seems odd that you can create a game where your character goes around slaughtering everyone but can't do something like that. I can still use the general idea and tweak the sign and banners to suit. Then again, I could end up inadvertently referencing some group or agency I don't know about! it's a strange world that we live in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangela Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) We used to have a tradition of things like Robert's Rules of Order, Civil Disobedience, good Civics education, and required classes in primary education on things like Debate and Speech that led to people being more able to discuss diverging views and opinions. We've lost all of that at the same time that we should need it most: when social media and diverse global communities have led us to have more interactions with people of different viewpoints, cultures, and experiences. Political commentary is likely unwise in a platform not designed for it in an age where many societies are getting more partisan and breaking down their systems of public discussion / debate.Well said. I painfully remember when such discussions were making the transition from being civil to choatic on at least two forums which lead to the banning of politics and religion on them, when the advent of said medias took the lead in socialism. It used to be you could have looooong yet civil debates, but now people will throw out threats and get all bent out of shape. I have to choose my words very carefully while also adding emphasis on my meaning, etc. Edited August 4, 2018 by Rasikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrianlad Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 That's a fair point Rasikko. I often refuse to take part in online discussions for just such reasons. Still, my initial concept of a division of Thalmor tasked with keeping the Thalmor workforce under tight control by a mixture of surveillance, threats and punishment isn't at all unreasonable, given how they are portrayed in the game... I just won't make any references to the agencies in the real world, however obscure those references may have been. My concept of them arresting and shipping workers out to an isolated island fort is sound enough, I think. So it's bye-bye to GATOS healthcare et al! I'm glad I asked the question, though because otherwise I could have blundered unwittingly into a problem and had my mod removed. It will be my first one that I think is good enough to publish, too, so that wouldn't have been the best start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fftfan Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 It wouldn't break any Skyrim lore for those that want immersion to be consistent and I've played and enjoyed mods like 'outlaws and revolutionaries' (excellent mod, kudos to the authors) which blatantly make statements criticizing a certain game studio in just this fashion. For non-UK players they wouldn't notice what I'd done: a lot of UK players may spot it and have a good laugh about it (saving those who work for the government departments involved, but I don't care about them... that's the point)I'm curious which game studio is criticized in Outlaws and Revolutionaries - Quest Mod Plus? There are a few that I really do hate so this might be a big plus, might be perfect humor for me. I'm sick of a lot of devs besides Bethesda, CD Projekt RED, Nintendo. Downloaded it but might make it a priority to check it out. Just bought SSE yesterday on impulse after seeing it on Steam Sale so everything is new still. I've thought about lampooning stuff like EA, Bioware, Activision, current Square Enix / Final Fantasy, etc. I hate laziness, over-commercialization, cynicism on part of devs/publishers. I feel that so many of them have entirely forgotten that games are supposed to be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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