An independent New Vegas mod.

[sgtKraigO]

Could it be possible too clean up and repair things around the Long 15? I disliked how when traveling there before the nukes are launched it's still completely irradiated and destroyed. Maybe even have Colonel Royez before he becomes a marked man. I read somewhere else in the forums that it's difficult since the place was made too be destroyed but I was thinking not all of the infrastructure could be repaired seeing as it is in a post apocalyptic world.

[ToxicWhiteout]

Could it be possible too clean up and repair things around the Long 15? I disliked how when traveling there before the nukes are launched it's still completely irradiated and destroyed. Maybe even have Colonel Royez before he becomes a marked man. I read somewhere else in the forums that it's difficult since the place was made too be destroyed but I was thinking not all of the infrastructure could be repaired seeing as it is in a post apocalyptic world.

I completely agree. It would be nice to see the Long 15 bustling and full of life, and maybe with some small quests too.

[devinpatterson]

You're right about the Legion not being at Hoover Dam at the time but the NCR knew about them and most likely knew they were headed that way.

this is in response to your statement;

 

The only thing stopping the NCR from taking the dam by force was the Legion. Kimball and Oliver knew they could take the dam but would see heavy losses, and with the arrival of the legion they needed every man available too hold them back so they signed the treaty.

I'm not sure if you realize it, but the information you quoted from teh wiki Hoover goes further than just supporting my point, it shows they *had* it, ie they were in possession of it. So if your still trying to promote kingwilfre16's position that the NCR are more like Rome than the Legion, because they would have taken the dam by force but couldn't, I'd say that position was null and void since they *had* it.

 

"In 2274, Hoover Dam was taken by the New California Republic (NCR) when the first NCR scouts arrived at Hoover Dam."

[devinpatterson]

Kingwilfre16 I shouldn't have to say this, it should be obvious, but.......

 

When you make an argument, and it's shown to be lacking you *dont* go back and edit your posts to soften or change your position, it's a simple matter of integrity. And this isn't hte first time you'v done this. Ie, *not* cool

[sgtKraigO]

 

Could it be possible too clean up and repair things around the Long 15? I disliked how when traveling there before the nukes are launched it's still completely irradiated and destroyed. Maybe even have Colonel Royez before he becomes a marked man. I read somewhere else in the forums that it's difficult since the place was made too be destroyed but I was thinking not all of the infrastructure could be repaired seeing as it is in a post apocalyptic world.

I completely agree. It would be nice to see the Long 15 bustling and full of life, and maybe with some small quests too.

 

 

Agreed, maybe this is where you go to tell the NCR about occupying Hidden Valley.

 

I think for vehicles there should be 3-4 Vertibirds (the wiki says there are several crashed Vertibirds,), at least 4 trucks (the wiki says the base manages supplies between California and Mojave Outpost), a few Brahmin caravans with merchants and mercenaries, and maybe a few motorcycles.

[devinpatterson]

 

Could it be possible too clean up and repair things around the Long 15? I disliked how when traveling there before the nukes are launched it's still completely irradiated and destroyed. Maybe even have Colonel Royez before he becomes a marked man. I read somewhere else in the forums that it's difficult since the place was made too be destroyed but I was thinking not all of the infrastructure could be repaired seeing as it is in a post apocalyptic world.

I completely agree. It would be nice to see the Long 15 bustling and full of life, and maybe with some small quests too.

 

I tend to doubt it, Dangman took a look at it and said it would take some massive cleanup. My impression from what he was saying was that it wasn't worth the effort.

[devinpatterson]

I used the New Vegas GECK to go snooping around in the project Anchorage files.

 

For a bombing run simulation, this would be the best choice for a target:

Like I said bro, not worth the effort to make a worldspace for a flight sim, at least not as any time in the near future.

[sgtKraigO]

 

You're right about the Legion not being at Hoover Dam at the time but the NCR knew about them and most likely knew they were headed that way.

this is in response to your statement;

 

The only thing stopping the NCR from taking the dam by force was the Legion. Kimball and Oliver knew they could take the dam but would see heavy losses, and with the arrival of the legion they needed every man available too hold them back so they signed the treaty.

I'm not sure if you realize it, but the information you quoted from teh wiki Hoover goes further than just supporting my point, it shows they *had* it, ie they were in possession of it. So if your still trying to promote kingwilfre16's position that the NCR are more like Rome than the Legion, because they would have taken the dam by force but couldn't, I'd say that position was null and void since they *had* it.

 

"In 2274, Hoover Dam was taken by the New California Republic (NCR) when the first NCR scouts arrived at Hoover Dam."

 

 

I'm not trying to say the NCR are like Rome, I'm trying to point out that the reason the NCR didn't take the dam by force was because they knew of the Legion and didn't want too waste troops, not because they felt like being nice to Mr. House. If I remember correctly Mr. House says in game that the NCR could have defeated his army at Hoover Dam but it would leave them weaken and open for attack by the Legion when they show up.

 

Please don't take that word for word as I'm paraphrasing.

[sgtKraigO]

 

 

 

I tend to doubt it, Dangman took a look at it and said it would take some massive cleanup. My impression from what he was saying was that it wasn't worth the effort.

 

 

That's a bit of a bummer, but I understand. Could it be possible to move Royez too another location, possibly have him in command of Hidden Valley? He could mention that he was in command of a checkpoint a long the Long 15 before being moved too Hidden Valley, this would give the player the impression that it's not destroyed.

[devinpatterson]

I would recommend leaving the schism idea as the last Brotherhood quest. If the hardliners leave to form the Mojave version of the outcasts then I can see them causing problems for the NCR or Independent Vegas.

Although a outcast chapter could be interesting and maybe even form the seeds of new quests. I mean they don't necessarily have to be malevolant per se. Isn't it more of disagreement of doctrine. Don't get me wrong Hardin is a complete *ss, and if he's the leader it's going to be a very different chapter, but it's unlikely he's going to pose a military threat to the parent chapter, much less the NCR (I'm assuming a minority leave with him). So I think the bigger question is more karma related. *IF* there is a schism what would the outcasts be like. Pretty much like the FO3 outcasts (primarily disagreements about doctrine) or would Hardin's personal desire for power corrupt the chapter. I also think he might have been one of the characters Sawyer changed to evil karma (kind of makes sense as he was willing to off his Elder).

 

I would like to see the Sierra Madre reopened as casino resort which would be another source of income for the player. I think this idea can used in the Independent, NCR and House versions of the mod. Other than touching upon the Ghost People I don't think I can come up with anything else that can be added to Dead Money.

I feel like we're going to need more substance post restoration, otherwise it's just going to be a striking change of the DLC to very little purpose. It doesn't even have to be grand major quests but just stuff similar to what you'd do in the vanilla game on the strip and in freeside.

 

My only other ideas related to Dead Money would involve Dog/God and Dean Domino if they are still alive at the end. I would like to see Dog/God relocated to Jacobstown and I believe that Dean Domino has plans to visit the Vegas casinos and possibly rob them. A casino heist would be interesting in an NCR or even House mod but would probably not work in the Independent mod. Saying that it would be funny to encounter Dean and inform him that Vegas and it's casinos are under your care and that it would be in Dean's best interests to leave Vegas immediately and rob the New Reno casinos instead.

I think those are both good ideas :smile:

 

Sorry, but I have strong doubts about seeing Jacobstown being annexed into the NCR. Marcus doesn't like the way that the NCR takes over territories and forces them into being annexed. The Nightkin leader Keene would certainly be against annexation by the NCR and asking him to go along with the idea would be impossible. I would also imagine it to be difficult to try and force super mutants to pay taxes. Let's not forget that there are examples of racism towards mutants in the NCR from the NCR mercenaries harassing Jacobstown to the soldier asking why a super mutant is allowed into the strip when Lily is in the player's company. I would prefer to leave Jacobstown as a sanctuary for super mutants.

OK so Marcus is philosophically opposed to the idea. But we can als bet, that in the NCR mod, the player is going to be tasked with convincing them to join if at all possible. I agree that Marcus wouldn't risk alienating the nightkin unless he has very good reason. But we also know that in some endings Keen leaves. So I think there is wiggle room there if the NCR can make it worth their while. And they *are* the most "reformed" mutants I'v ever seen.

 

I don't think the taxes are going to be a problem, Marcus seems to rule by law, but I'm sure there are points/aspects of racism that will be a constant problem.

 

And they can still be a sancutary for super mutants under a provincial town, in fact that's probably as far as they would get in the process with teh time span we're looking at in this mod.