Possible Solution for some Crashes (to Desktop)

[blackfoxxus]

Hello.

After I updated Skyrim SE to Version 1.5.39 and SKSE to 2.0.7, I had some random and some reproducible Crashes (to Desktop)

with NO Error-Messages or noticeable Log-Entries in Papyrus-Logs, Steam-Logs or Windows 10 Event-Viewer.
Some of them occured while fast travelling, some while loading a Savegame and some just during Gameplay...
So it was like Hell to find out the Reason(s) why!
After 3 Days Odyssey of searching the Web and trying this and that, I finally found a (simple) Solution that worked just fine for me:

Do NOT clean the native Update.esm and DLC-Files (Dawnguard.esm, Dragonborn.esm and HearthFires.esm) with TES5Edit (SSEEdit) !!!

After I restored the original (dirty) Files from Backup, I never got a Crash (to Desktop) or any other Error with my Setup! Everything works fine again.

So I don't know (or understand) why it should be necessary to clean those files?! Or which Problem(s) could occur if you don't clean them?!

Maybe this Solution is helpful for some other afflicted Users too...

[TonyOQuinn]

It's certainly contrary to a widely accepted practice from Oldrim modders. I've had the opposite experience with my setup. Usually after a fresh installation when I've finished the intro sequence at Helgen, and I'm running down the road toward Riverwood, I ctd and remember that I need to clean masters. Cleaning masters solves ctd problems for me, and doesn't cause any other problems, at least not with my setup and mod list.

[blackfoxxus]

Yes, I remeber too when playing Oldrim the game sometimes got stuck or stuttered with the original (dirty) masters, but never with cleaned. Still I never had a single CtD with Oldrim.

Seems like Skyrim is a science in itself. Because of the complexity and diversity every single user-setup is more or less unique. So it's almost hard to find the reasons for troubles...

[leonardo2]

Hello.

After I updated Skyrim SE to Version 1.5.39 and SKSE to 2.0.7, I had some random and some reproducible Crashes (to Desktop)

with NO Error-Messages or noticeable Log-Entries in Papyrus-Logs, Steam-Logs or Windows 10 Event-Viewer.

Some of them occured while fast travelling, some while loading a Savegame and some just during Gameplay...

So it was like Hell to find out the Reason(s) why!

After 3 Days Odyssey of searching the Web and trying this and that, I finally found a (simple) Solution that worked just fine for me:

Do NOT clean the native Update.esm and DLC-Files (Dawnguard.esm, Dragonborn.esm and HearthFires.esm) with TES5Edit (SSEEdit) !!!

After I restored the original (dirty) Files from Backup, I never got a Crash (to Desktop) or any other Error with my Setup! Everything works fine again.

So I don't know (or understand) why it should be necessary to clean those files?! Or which Problem(s) could occur if you don't clean them?!

Maybe this Solution is helpful for some other afflicted Users too...

I totally disagree. Why?

 

I cleaned the official masters e.g Update.esm, Dawnguard.esm, Hearthfire.esm, and Dragonborn.esm by following this excellent cleaning guide without having a single CTD that's caused by cleaning the official masters.

Edited August 22, 2018 by leonardo2

[blackfoxxus]

Thanks for reply. But WHY should I clean those masters even if the "dirty" ones are working fine and faultless for my setup? I don't see there any necessity so far...

[TonyOQuinn]

I'm curious why Bethesda has never cleaned masters in the original installation, and released a cleaned update. I think it's not as critical as it used to be in the early days of Oldrim mods. Mod authors are much more skilled in general, so modern mods don't reference deleted nav meshes, don't have ITM records, etc. And mods are more modular, so to speak, more standalone.

[QuagaarWarrior]

Not an expert but I believe the dirty ESMs are only an issue if you mod your game. If you do not mod then the ESMs should function as intended. If you add mods it is generally recommended to clean them.

This is why Bethesda never bothered to release 'clean' versions

[blackfoxxus]

Ah, okay. Thanks for Informations.

So... as long as it works for me with the "dirty" masters, I'll wouldn't clean them.

I also think that the modders learned a lot in 4-5 years (or even longer) of modding this game.

Especially since the Special Edition came out (which made many things easier for modders).

[gromulos]

I've NEVER cleaned any of the vanilla files in Skyrim or Fallout 4 and I never CTD. My SKyrim has 83 mods installed not counting the vanilla stuff, and my Fallout 4 has over 60. Also, I've been saying from day 1 that you should NOT clean the Update.esm

 

The update.esm is exactly that an update to Skyrim.esm. I've always told people not to clean it and I always will.

 

by the way, last time I played Oldrim was last week when I played 17 hours straight, and I never crashed, never even had a stutter either and I use SKYre ( Skyrim Redone ) which is a HUGE overhaul mod

 

@leonardo - you do realize that link you posted by Alternity, who he is right? He is one of the main contributors to Wrye Bash lol

Edited August 28, 2018 by gromulos

[QuagaarWarrior]

What I will say is I dont know any prominent modder or member of the community that does not recommend cleaning the master files.

There may be some but I havent come across them.

Not trying to insult those in the thread that are recommending not cleaning them but you would have to agree you are in the minority generally.

 

@gromulos - your final paragraph about leonardos link...surely that undermines your own argument about not cleaning the masters? I know how highly your rate wrye bash so why not follow the advice of one of the developers and clean your masters?