WTF? Games gone haywire after reordering my mods through LOOT.

[nagrom2608]

Hi Guys.

 

Okay I've encountered the weirdest problem i've ever seen in this game.

 

I've been playing one of my characters for weeks now. With no problems. On a heavily modified game. I decided to create a bash patch through Wrye Bash. Before that, I reordered through LOOT. Created the Bash Patch with no problems.

 

However...

 

When I load up the last few saves, the game goes crazy: -

• ALL the mods are registering with MCM. As if they've just been installed.
• I'm now naked, as the armor I was wearing was from a mod.
• I'm standing still, while continuously shooting out frost magic. Seemingly from my head. Even though this character has never used any frost magic.
• Weirdest of all, I seem to have been transported to the Sleeping Giant in Riverwood. Even though I was at the forgotten city. I'm playing The Forgotten City mod.
• The game is lagging so much, It's impossible to move.

 

Whats even stranger is that I've got two other characters on the go, with different play through's. These two other characters seem to be completely unaffected. Even though the mods are identical.

 

The most load order is as follows: -

 

1 *DLC: HearthFires

2 *DLC: Dragonborn

3 *DLC: Dawnguard

4 +Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch

5 +Unlimited Bookshelves

6 +SKSE64

7 +SkyUI

8 +RaceMenu

9 +UIExtensions

10 +Skyrim 2017 Textures

11 +AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer

12 +A Quality World Map

13 +Enhanced Blood Textures

14 +Wyrmstooth

15 +Undeath Remastered

16 +Undeath Immersive Lichdom SSE

17 +Undeath Remastered - Classical Lichdom

18 +Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim

19 +Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim

20 +A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget

21 +Immersive Armors

22 +The Joy of Perspective

23 +The Paarthurnax Dilemma

24 +Amazing Follower Tweaks SE

25 +Cutting Room Floor

26 +Relationship Dialogue Overhaul

27 +Better Dialogue Controls

28 +Better MessageBox Controls

29 +Climates Of Tamriel-SE

30 +True Storms

31 +ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition

32 +Convenient Horses

33 +Destructible Display Cases

34 +Even Better Quest Objectives

35 +Footprints

36 +Honed Metal - Better Blacksmiths

38 +Immersive Weapons

39 +Lore Weapon Expansion

40 +iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep

41 +JK's Skyrim

42 +JK's Windhelm

43 +JK's Solitude

44 +JK's Markarth

45 +JK's Riften

46 +JK's Dragonbridge

47 +JK's Ivarstead

48 +JK's Rorikstead

49 +JK's Falkreath

50 +JK's Morthal

51 +JK's Dawnstar

52 +JK's Winterhold

53 +JKs Skaal village

54 +JK's Whiterun

55 +JK's Riverwood

56 +T'Skyrim - Riverwood (Addon for JK's Skyrim)

57 +JK's Skyhaven forge

58 +T'Skyrim - Whiterun (Addon to JK's Skyrim)

59 +Raven Rock Enhanced

60 +CLARALUX SSE - Controllable Lights Everywhere

61 +Skyrim Sewers

62 +LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer

63 +Zim's Immersive Artifacts V1.4

64 +Lockpick Graduation

65 +Realistic Water Two

66 +Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE

67 +Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin

68 +Realistic Aspen Trees SE

69 +Simply Bigger Trees SE - (formerly SkySight SBT)

70 +ETD - Every Tree Different

71 +Immersive Fallen Trees SSE

72 +Whiterun Forest Borealis - Fixes

73 +Nordic Snow (aka HQ Snow Texture)

75 +Static Mesh Improvement Mod

76 +Majestic Mountains

77 +LH's The Roads of Skyrim 2K - 4K

78 +Immersive Roads

79 +Bridges HD

80 +Ruins Clutter Improved

81 +Ultimate HD Fire Effects

82 +Master of Disguise - Immersive Disguises

83 +MoreHUD SE

84 +Silent Sneak Attack

85 +Simple Auto Unequip Ammo

86 +Simply Knock SE

87 +PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions

88 +Realistic AI Detection SE (better sneaking)

89 +Sneak Tools

90 +Wet and Cold

91 +SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators

92 +Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim

93 +Wearable Lanterns

94 +Lanterns of Skyrim SE

95 +Total Character Makeover

96 +ApachiiSkyHair SSE

97 +Realistic Ragdolls and Force

98 +Diversity - An NPC Overhaul

99 +Run For Your Lives

100 +Diverse Dragons Collection SE

101 +Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion

102 +Campfire - Complete Camping System

103 +Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival

104 +Enhanced Lights and FX

105 +Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition

106 +Consistent Older People

107 +Immersive College of Winterhold

108 +Better Immersive College of Winterhold Map

109 +Opulent Outfits - Mage Robes of Winterhold 2018-SSE

110 +Caranthir Tower Reborn SE

111 +Castle Volkihar HD 2k

112 +Windhelm HD

113 +High Hrothgar HD

114 +Graphics - RUGNAROK

115 +Graphics - PELTAPALOOZA

116 +Graphics - Book Covers Skyrim

117 +Graphics - RUSTIC DRAGON CORPSE

118 +Graphics - ETHEREAL COSMOS

119 +Graphics - RUSTIC WINDOWS

120 +Graphics - RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL

121 +Graphics - RUSTIC DEATH HOUND and GARGOYLE

122 +Graphics - RUSTIC SOULGEMS

123 +Graphics - RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION

124 +Graphics - RUSTIC COOKING

125 +Graphics - RUSTIC NOBLE FURNITURE

126 +Graphics - RUSTIC CLOTHING

127 +Graphics - RUSTIC AZURA'S STAR

128 +RUSTIC ATRONACHS - Special Edition

129 +Graphics - Frankly HD Nightingale Armor and Weapons

130 +Player Home - Sjel Blad Castle

131 +Player Home - Wyvern Sanctuary

132 +Player Home - Wizards Pocket Study

133 +Player Home - Craftable Dragonborn Riverwood Home

134 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Retreat Continued

135 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Hideout Continued

136 +General Stores - Auto Sorting Cloud Storage Resource

137 +Winter Is Coming SSE - Cloaks

138 +Better Vampires 8.2 SE

139 +Armour - Heretic Armor

140 +Armour - Hunting Grounds Outfit

141 +Armour - Nether Mage Armor

142 +Armour - Talos Housecarl Armor

143 +Armour - Volkihar Knight - Vampire Armor

144 +Armour - Gothic Plate

145 +Armour - Ebony Armor Reshape

146 +Armour - King Crusader Mega Pack

147 +ARMOUR - Nord Battlemage

148 +Cloaks of Skyrim SSE

149 +Frozen Electrocuted Combustion

150 +Hunterborn

151 +Dandelions - Realistic Dandelion Seeds - 4K-2k-1K

152 +Dragonbone Mastery - Weapons Retexture

153 +Weapons - Draugr Weaponry

154 +Weapons - More Weapons Please

155 +RUSTIC FORSWORN - Special Edition

156 +JS Dragon Claws SE

157 +Detailed Chests Texture Replacers SE

158 +Graphics - Vivid Landscapes - All in One

159 +Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE

160 +Deadly Spell Impacts

161 +Mammoth.by.Kajuan

162 +Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan

163 +Wispmother.by.Kajuan

164 +Draugr.by.Kajuan

165 +Troll.by.Kajuan

166 +Hagraven.by.Kajuan

167 +Falmer.by.Kajuan

168 +SABRECAT.by.Kajuan

169 +Giant.by.Kajuan

170 +RUSTIC SPRIGGAN

171 +Shuffler90's Skeleton 4k retexture - 2k version

172 +Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan

173 +Animal Bones

174 +Shuffler90's Glowing eyes remover

175 +Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack (SE)

176 +HD Serpentine Dragon and Mesh Fix SE

177 +LH's Cow Retexture HD 4K

178 +HD Photorealistic Ivy

179 +Feminine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard) [Vanilla]

180 +Feminine Argonian Textures (Chameleon and Lizard) [Vanilla]

181 +Masculine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard)

182 +Masculine Argonian Textures for Vanilla (Chameleon and Lizard)

183 +VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE

184 +Jaxonz Positioner Converted (With almost full functionality)

185 +Jaxonz Renamer

186 +Immersive World Encounters SE

187 +Point The Way

188 +Skyrim Battle Aftermath SE

189 +True BatForm

190 +Ivy Shores Manor

191 +Simple Auto Save Manager

192 +Mythical Tundra - Stonehenge and Hilltops

193 +The Ruins

194 +Oblivion Gates Remade

195 +Skyrim Better Roads

196 +SkyHUD

197 +Unlimited Amulets and Rings

198 +Hold Border Banners

199 +YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE

200 +Hashire - A Truly Unique Horse

201 +Immersive Sounds - Compendium

202 +Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves SSE

203 +Darkend

204 +Moonpath to Elsweyr SSE

205 +Warmonger Armory - Unofficial Fixed SSE Port

206 +Potion of Ultimate Leveling

207 +Dragonborn Crafting Hall Special Edition

208 +Dynamic fires

209 +Daedra and Witch Hunter Mod

210 +Frankly HD Shrouded Armor

211 +RUSTIC FROSTBITE SPIDER

212 +Weapons - ClipsyMoon Weaponry

213 +Armour - Scout Armor

214 +Crime Overhaul SSE

215 +Improved Shadowmarks

216 +Artifacts - The Breton Paladin [sSE]

217 +Artifacts - The Tournament of the Ten Bloods [sSE]

218 +Artifacts - The Ice Blade of the Monarch [sSE]

219 +Immersive Dragons

220 +Embers HD

221 +Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE

222 +Beyond Skyrim - Bruma SE

223 +Project AHO

224 +See Enchantments SE

225 +Dread Prison 4.2

226 +Beyond Skyrim - Bruma - Tweaks Enhancements and Patches SSE

227 +RUSTIC ARMOR and WEAPONS SE - DAEDRIC

228 +Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons

229 +Frankly HD Miraak [sSE]

230 +Extra Dimensional Storage

231 +Beautiful Boats of Skyrim

232 +Improved Sparks

233 +Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks SE

234 +Skyrim 3D High Hrothgar Steps

235 +Immersive Bleak Falls Barrow Exterior SE

236 +Giant Creature_SSE_2.0

237 +SkyUI AIO Survival (SAS)

238 +Cursors Galore Dwemer

239 +Disenchant Everything

240 +The Forgotten City

241 +Skyrim 3D Icefloes

242 +SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix

243 +Waterplants Improved WI by Pfuscher

244 +Nordic Ruins of Skyrim SSE

245 +Finally First Person Magic Animation SSE Port

246 +Legendary Skyrim Crossbows SSE

247 +Unlimited Training

248 +Skyrim Level Booster

249 +Brewinggiantcask 4k

250 +Awesome HD Barrels

251 +Immersive Hold Borders SE

252 +Constellations Redrawn

253 +Player Home - Castle Strunmah

255 +Alternate Start - Live Another Life

256 +Faster Casting

257 +Ordinator - Add back Bury Exhume

258 +Ars Metallica - Smithing Enhancement

259 +Audio Overhaul for Skyrim SE

 

Of all the posts I've read from here, steam, reddit, or any other forums, I've never seen anyone who's come across this issue.

 

Any idea whats causing this issue? Out of the three character play throughs I'm playing, the bugged one is my favorite. I don't want to start him all over again.

 

Thanks in advance.

Nagrom

[HadToRegister]

You've got 259 mods in your list.

Bethesda games can only handle 255 tops

 

Plus, I don't see a Bashed Patch anywhere in your load order.

Also, Why run LOOT on a game you've been running for weeks now?
You changed the load order, so whatever your load order used to be, WORKED, now that it's changed something is overwriting your armor etc.

You shouldn't just run LOOT whenever you feel like
LOOT should be run before you even start a game, now in the middle of a weeks old game.

[HadToRegister]

Also, WHY in the World do you have JK's Skyrim (which is an ALL IN ONE mod) installed along with all of JK's Individual Mods?
That's the whole point of JK's SKyrim is to merge all of the JK's winterhold, riftern, whiterun, etc

 

This is what JK's Skyrim covers...you can uninstall ALL of those other JK mods. and leave JK's Skyrim.

 

The overhaul covers Skyrim's 5 major cities; Whiterun (and Whiterun exterior), Windhelm, Solitude, Markarth and Riften.
The towns of Riverwood, Dragonbridge, Ivarstead and Rorikstead.
The small open villages of Falkreath, Morthal, Dawnstar, Winterhold and Skaal Village.
Sky Haven Temple Exterior unlocked during the Main Quest.

[QuagaarWarrior]

The OP doesn't have 259 mods. That list is a list of mods not their ESP list...which makes it near impossible to help as LOOT only affects ESP order.

So they may have all the JK mods and only have one activated for all we know.

 

The DLC masters are in the wrong order though

Edited October 26, 2018 by QuagaarWarrior

[leonardo2]

The DLC masters are in the wrong order though

Yep, I notice that too.

 

This is the correct order.

 

1 *DLC: Dawnguard

2 *DLC: HearthFires

3 *DLC: Dragonborn

@nagrom2608: I strongly suggest that you follow HadToRegister's advice then click on the Mod Checker button in Wrye Bash just to see if your loadorder is okay. Should there be a comflict then solve it and sort your loadorder in LOOT, before you re-creating the bashed patch.

[nagrom2608]

You've got 259 mods in your list.

 

Bethesda games can only handle 255 tops

 

Plus, I don't see a Bashed Patch anywhere in your load order.

Also, Why run LOOT on a game you've been running for weeks now?

You changed the load order, so whatever your load order used to be, WORKED, now that it's changed something is overwriting your armor etc.

 

You shouldn't just run LOOT whenever you feel like

LOOT should be run before you even start a game, now in the middle of a weeks old game.

 

Thanks for the replies. NOT condescending in the slightest.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Anyway.

 

As for the missing bash patch? I initially thought that it was the creating of the patch that casued the problem. According to the tutorial I watched, the guy in the video said you're able to remove the bash patch just by deleting it in the data folder.

 

As for running LOOT anytime? How come pretty much all modding tutorials, and mod reviews recommend running loot when installing new mods. EVEN mid game? Surely once you start a game, there maybe new mods you want to try. This, according to the mod creators, should be followed by running loot. So by your logic, once you start a game, you can NEVER install any new mods again....

 

Also none of your comments/suggestions explain why these issues have only affected ONE of my characters, and not the OTHER TWO....... Surely if they're reading EXACTLY the same mods, in EXACTLY the same load order, then they would all be borked??? :confused:

 

Now to JK Skyrim. I'm sure I read somewhere that another mod I had installed required the stand alone versions. I did find this odd. Seeing as I had the all in one. However this would explain some of the duplicate items I've found. Such as two overlaying gates in Riften's cemetery.

 

Going back to the game.

 

Am I right in thinking that creating a Bash Patch just switches off certain plug-ins that are duplicated. Through various mods. Thus making your plaug-in list smaller? If I am correct, am I able to just switch on these plug-ins again through Mod Organiser.

 

Another weird issue is that I've just swicthed on Mod Organiser, only to find the most load order TOTALLY changed. To alphabetical order, and EVERY mod switched off........

 

Another baffling issue is I now have missing masters. I know this is due to the creation of the bash patch. However if I go into the optional ESP tab in MO, these eps's are in the available box at the bottom. This should mean they're switched on. However, they're still showing as missing.

[HadToRegister]

 

You've got 259 mods in your list.

 

Bethesda games can only handle 255 tops

 

Plus, I don't see a Bashed Patch anywhere in your load order.

Also, Why run LOOT on a game you've been running for weeks now?

You changed the load order, so whatever your load order used to be, WORKED, now that it's changed something is overwriting your armor etc.

 

You shouldn't just run LOOT whenever you feel like

LOOT should be run before you even start a game, now in the middle of a weeks old game.

 

Thanks for the replies. NOT condescending in the slightest.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Anyway.

 

As for the missing bash patch? I initially thought that it was the creating of the patch that casued the problem. According to the tutorial I watched, the guy in the video said you're able to remove the bash patch just by deleting it in the data folder.

 

As for running LOOT anytime? How come pretty much all modding tutorials, and mod reviews recommend running loot when installing new mods. EVEN mid game? Surely once you start a game, there maybe new mods you want to try. This, according to the mod creators, should be followed by running loot. So by your logic, once you start a game, you can NEVER install any new mods again....

 

Also none of your comments/suggestions explain why these issues have only affected ONE of my characters, and not the OTHER TWO....... Surely if they're reading EXACTLY the same mods, in EXACTLY the same load order, then they would all be borked??? :confused:

 

Now to JK Skyrim. I'm sure I read somewhere that another mod I had installed required the stand alone versions. I did find this odd. Seeing as I had the all in one. However this would explain some of the duplicate items I've found. Such as two overlaying gates in Riften's cemetery.

 

Going back to the game.

 

Am I right in thinking that creating a Bash Patch just switches off certain plug-ins that are duplicated. Through various mods. Thus making your plaug-in list smaller? If I am correct, am I able to just switch on these plug-ins again through Mod Organiser.

 

Another weird issue is that I've just swicthed on Mod Organiser, only to find the most load order TOTALLY changed. To alphabetical order, and EVERY mod switched off........

 

Another baffling issue is I now have missing masters. I know this is due to the creation of the bash patch. However if I go into the optional ESP tab in MO, these eps's are in the available box at the bottom. This should mean they're switched on. However, they're still showing as missing.

 

 

You're right, my post wasn't condescending in the slightest.

I tried to help, but you think it's condescending.

There's no other way to explain it where you won't take it personally.

Now, I don't know what modding tutorials you're watching, but when they talk about installing new mods and running LOOT, they're talking about doing it when INSTALLING NEW MODS WITH A NEW GAME.

 

If you install new mods Mid game, you're going to (i said GOING TO, not MIGHT) leave any mods in your load order with orphaned scripts, because you've changed the index of the scripts, so you're eventually going to end up with a buggy and crashy game, because the orphaned scripts are baked into your save, and are bloating the save, because they can't find the mod they used to run from because the index number has changed.

 

Say Mod C starts at mod index 1F, now all of the scripts start with 1F, and look to MOD C at 1F, and bake it into your save.

Now, MID-GAME, you decide to install a few mods

Now your MOD C has an index of 24, however, the scripts baked into your save, still start with 1F and keep trying to run, but they can't find the mod at 1F anymore, so those keep trying to run, and bloat your save, meanwhile the SAME scripts from MOD C, are now running with a 24 prefix, so now you have TWICE the amount of Scripts running from the same mod, but only the 24-prefix scripts can run successfully, while the orphaned 1F scripts screw up your game save.

So, have fun with that.

 

I've never seen a video where someone told me to delete the Bashed Patch

The Bashed Patch merges your leveled lists and a few other things, and depending on the mod "Ghosts the mod" so it doesn't take up space in the load order because it gets included in the Bashed Patch.

[jones177]

Hi

 

Loot has a folder at AppData\Local\Loot. In it you will find a backup copy of your load list.

 

NMM also makes a backup of your load order on closing. You can find it in the AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition.

 

The plugins.txt file in AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition is the file the games uses the recognise your mods and their order. Backup this file before making changes.

 

Later

[nagrom2608]

Hi

 

Loot has a folder at AppData\Local\Loot. In it you will find a backup copy of your load list.

 

NMM also makes a backup of your load order on closing. You can find it in the AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition.

 

The plugins.txt file in AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition is the file the games uses the recognise your mods and their order. Backup this file before making changes.

 

Later

Cheers.

 

How do I use these backups to restore my old, stable load order ?

[nagrom2608]

 

I've never seen a video where someone told me to delete the Bashed Patch

The Bashed Patch merges your leveled lists and a few other things, and depending on the mod "Ghosts the mod" so it doesn't take up space in the load order because it gets included in the Bashed Patch.

 

 

4.50 min point.

 

Anyway I understand your explanation as far as load orders being baked into the save. However this does't explain why this issue ONLY effected one of my three character builds. Seeing as they all use the same mods, and load order...