Why are some modders so weird?

[Ironman5000]

Logically you would think that nobody would ever upload any incomplete work. They would never upload any WIPs, public alphas, and public betas. You would think that they would complete their projects and polish them and debug them and only then release them.

 

But that is not what happens. Releasing a WIP is sort of an act of desperation. Someone pours like 60 hours into a project, and this is while they are also working a job and doing other things in life. Then they start losing their energy and enthusiasm and confidence. They don't know how much longer they can go on. They hate to think that their 60 hours of hard work was all for nothing. So because they want their project to see the light of day in some form or other, they upload it even though it is not very playable or complete or polished. Sometimes this upload is the last act of a dying modder. He or she does not physically die, but their will to mod dies and they can't make themselves do it anymore.

 

 

Hehe! I actually nearly did that with a NV Tron mod with loads of content because I couldn't get a good quest built due to lack of experience. Luckily my computer broke losing all of my data so the burden was gone! :laugh: :teehee: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Plutoman101]

I would disagree with that. I upload WIP content so I can gather feedback, before it's finished - rather than after. So I can get testing on sections before I call it a done deal. Doesn't mean at all that I'm done making new stuff. :)

 

It's contextual, very much so.

[AlexanderJVelicky]

There is a lot of Stuck Up Modders as well. I thought I should put that out there. Ones that believe that no matter what there is no way anything could be the fault of their HOLIER THAN THOU MOD.

To add some perspective to this statement, there are also a lot of stuck up mod users. I get so many people that are persistant on blaming my mod for issues, which are very clearly either another mods fault, or user error. Yet they insist that I must be the one to fix it.

 

Remember, us modders are putting hundreds, some even thousands of hours of our lives into these mods. Sometimes we are treated poorly, and things can get on our nerves. If you remain polite while talking to a modder, no matter the situation, and if they can hopefully do the same, we can keep the community light and friendly.

[bben46]

Why do mod authors quit? This is some of the examples of trolling I see. :whistling:

 

You should just stop modding because your mod is useless, not welcome, doesn't fit their personal prejudices or similar.

 

You should stop wasting your talent on x type of mods and make y type because 'I' don't think anyone should be making x type mods.

 

Type x just don't belong in MY concept of the game world so don't make them cause I said so.

 

I can't get your mod to work so YOU suk. (When there are thousands of people already using that mod.)

If you don't fix this piece of trash mod I will quit using it :rolleyes: (Is that a promise?)

 

Why are you making a stupid mod that does this when a good mod for that already exists? Why don't you do something useful with your mods instead of this trash?

 

I would use your mod but it doesn't include (fill in the feature)

 

I don't like green, make it red.

 

I didn't bother to read the documentation you spent hours creating and resent being told to read the instructions so QUIT BEING A JERK AND TELL ME HOW TO MAKE IT WORK!!!

 

YOUR mod ruined MY game (insert rant)

 

No offense intended, But ... (Yes, offense was intended or the qualifier would not have been used!) No offense intended, but - You are a jerk.

 

And one of my least favorite, for an optional mod in a single player game : This mod ruins the entire premise of the game. It does not belong in the game and should not be allowed! :pinch:

 

Then in the ban appeal, "I didn't know that insulting, trolling and flaming people who freely give their time to make these mods would get me banned. It was just my own opinion and I demand be allowed to give my opinion no matter how untrue, biased, totally obnoxious and profanity laden it is. If you don't reinstate me so I can do it again, I will run off to some other site and tell them what jerks the people at Nexus are." :facepalm:

[kevkiev]

There is a lot of Stuck Up Modders as well. I thought I should put that out there. Ones that believe that no matter what there is no way anything could be the fault of their HOLIER THAN THOU MOD.

 

I've yet to encounter one myself. Hey, maybe I'm just lucky. Stuck up mod users on the other hand - I've lost count of the times.

 

I recall one post where one guy railed against the mod, complaining that the part of the mod description that would have prevented his problem was "all the way at the bottome of the description." :rolleyes:

[tetradite]

What percentage of the general population do you think are weird/a little bit nuts?

 

Usual figure I hear for "Some kind of mental illness at some point in their lives" is 1 in 10. So, as a base, 1 in 10 modders may be suffering from some kind of mental illness.

 

Let's take that base and also factor in:

 

- We're talking about people who spend a lot of time doing isolated, individual activities (potential cause of, and possible sign of, various mental issues).

 

- That solitary activity is also a creative one (link between creatives and mental issues outlined earlier in thread).

 

- The kind of criticism and trolling that often goes on here is an obvious cause of stress, akin to workplace bullying, which is also likely to either trigger or worsen mental illness.

 

I reckon that probably gets us close to 1 in 5 in modders could be suffering from some kind of mental illness.

 

Now, what percentage of the general population do you think are asshats? I'd say 1 in 5 is again probably fair, although personally I find 1 in 2 more like the truth. BUT, this is the internet, where the asshat ratio is higher than he real world, but we'll ignore that as it probably compensates for the people who are both mentally ill AND an asshat anyway who we would otherwise be double counting.

 

Therefore at one time, 40% of modders are either asshats or potentially suffering from mental problems. Add on another 10% for people going through normal random everyday real life problems (too much work, just had kids, family death, blown up PC etc etc etc) and that gives you...

 

HALF of all modders could be mentally ill, asshats or too busy with real life.

 

It's a wonder anyone sticks at it at all when you really think about it.

 

(This was NOT a serious exercise in statistics)

[AlexanderJVelicky]

Then in the ban appeal, "I didn't know that insulting, trolling and flaming people who freely give their time to make these mods would get me banned. It was just my own opinion and I demand be allowed to give my opinion no matter how untrue, biased, totally obnoxious and profanity laden it is. If you don't reinstate me so I can do it again, I will run off to some other site and tell them what jerks the people at Nexus are." :facepalm:

That explains why everyone 'hates' the nexus for it's unfair bans. Lol. Whenever I ask people 'what did you do' they're like, "Oh nothing. I just [censored] [censored] [censored], [censored] and [censored], but was [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] because [censored] [censored]."

 

It always makes me laugh...

 

The sad truth is many a modder have quit because to put it plainly, people are dicks. If the dickery feels like it outweighs the complimentary side of modding, they leave. It also has to do with how much they enjoy it. If they don't really like it, they're FAR more likely to leave. I'm in this for a job, so there isn't anything any group of people could say to make me quit, but trust me, I've wanted too before.

[creeposaurus]

A good question would be "Why are so many people downloading mods so weird?". Like what makes them feel like they're entitled to tell a mod author what they can or can't do with their mod? And who cares whether they do it for attention or not. If you're jealous of their receiving virtual approval, don't praise them for their work. Don't endorse them, don't vote their mod as MOTM, don't donate, in fact, don't even look at their mod lol. Its not like they're getting paid or anything and getting a "I LOVE THIS MOD" hardly pays for whatever amount of time they put into their mod.

 

The way I look at it, there are literally thousand of high-quality mods on the Nexus. It won't hurt anyone if one author decided to give their one final "Screw you guys, I'm eating my mods and ain't nuffin you can dew bout et!". I wouldn't blame them either. Way too many people confuse being a troll with constructive criticism. And don't get me started on those realism freaks....xD

[yzerman19]

The ones who quit, just have no ballz. They are probably stuck up children of the privileged who can't take getting criticized. Hey, guess what? Life is full of criticism, so get used to it, richboys.

[Matth85]

The ones who quit, just have no ballz. They are probably stuck up children of the privileged who can't take getting criticized. Hey, guess what? Life is full of criticism, so get used to it, richboys.

 

Which could be true: If we got paid to mod, and didn't need to take time from other things to do it.

Frankly, your comment is rather out of place and can be quite provocative. You should think before you post, it will ensure the forum is a cleaner place, and it will keep the community solid.

 

Now, for the topic. Modding is a weird thing in itself. At least modding with 3d modelling. One might have a million ideas, but you are then limited by your own skill level and free time. You also are limited by the game engine, and script language. Lastly you are limited by your own motivation. As a 3d modeller I can tell you one thing, which is true for every 3d artist and probably most modders: We got more unfinished/Half done mods/models than finished one. Why? If you start to lose motivation, and you only hit a single roadbump, you most likely leave the project.

 

Modders who quit, quit because they either:

A) Realize this hobby will not help their future, or help them today, in any way. It takes time. Just like gaming in general does.

B) Works kill their motvation, a demanding community kills the rest.

C) The project takes too long, and they now have 40 new projects that looks more fun to them.

 

Frankly, modders are not the problem here. It's the users who demand, the people who feel entitled to everything -- yes, the, and I quote, "Stuck up children of the privileged" people. The people who will be negative to a new modders new mod, who will crush perfectly doable ideas by being very pesimistic and short sighted and finally the people who feel entitled to getting stuff done. You know, the people who demand a mod/model from someone. The ones that thinks "Yeah, he agreed to help us out on our mod. Of course he is going to make us X stuff in Y time!".

 

Can you really blame modders quitting? If you hit a roadbump hard enough, and get nothing but pessimistic negativity your way, of course you won't go on. You will give up. It's how the world works.

 

TL;DR: Blame the users, not the modders. We got a life outside modding too, and we do not get paid to spend our time doing this. As long as we do it for free, we make the decisions wether to keep going or not, not "you".

 

Cheers,

Matth