CTD when saving

[ShadowySchemer]

Alright, so, I've been having this problem for quite a while now. Basically anytime I make a save (be it auto-, quick-, or manual save) I crash to desktop. I've scoured the internet for a fix, but nothing seems to work. I've noticed that other people have had a similar if not the very same problem, but none of their solutions seem to work for me. It's really crippling my ability to play the game, since it even affects brand new games, i.e. I create a new game, save, instant CTD. (I even tried waiting a bit for all my mods to be detected by MCM, but that didn't help either)

Now then, before anyone asks:

-I have the latest version of Skyrim SE

-I have the latest version of SKSE

-None of my mods conflict in a way that should cause CTDs

-I've used LOOT with my load order, and manually moved some plugins to their respective places according to the modpages

-I've used Wrye Bash, if that matters

-I've esmified some of my larger plugins to reduce the amount of references

My load order (I use MO2):

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
NexusSkyrimOverhaul.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
3DNPC.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
QaxeQuestorium.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
Clockwork.esp
Dwarfsphere.esp
DBM_Bruma_Patch.esp
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Darkend.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
MHdunSky001.esp
EasierRidersDungeonPackSSE.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim.esm
RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
D13 Faster Get up Stand up Animations.esp
TERAArmorsSSE.esp
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
ImmersiveIntegrationSE15.esp
Followers.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
NexusSkyrimOverhaul_Magic.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Ish's Ars Armorum.esp
Immersive Jewelry.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
Skyrim Revamped.esp
SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
Blues Skyrim.esp
JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp
Obsidian Weathers.esp
SkyHavenTempleRestored.esp
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
Beasts of Tamriel.esp
Gri_BeastFeet.esp
Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp
Undeath.esp
ShezrieOldHroldanVer2.esp
WZTamrielic Culture.esp
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
EFP_SE.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Settlements Expanded SE.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
Phenderix Magic Evolved.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
WyvernRock.esp
ELFX - Weathers.esp
Combat Evolved.esp
OBIS Loot SE.esp
cliffs.esp
thegemstonecollector.esp
Eastmarch Manor.esp
RE_RealEstate.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Point The Way.esp
TKAA.esp
The Hunting Game.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
Uncle Sheo Legendary.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
more idle markers.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
TheScarlett.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
CFTO.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
HeljarchenFarm.esp
Inigo.esp
Realm of Lorkhan - Custom Alternate Start - Choose your own adventure.esp
LvxMagicksFactionBooks-Morebooks Please2.5.esp
DBM_TamrielicCulture_Patch.esp
MammothManor.esp
Better Vampires.esp
LeanWolfs Aemers Refuge SE.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
WindstadMine.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
konahrik_accoutrements.esp
Silvan Manor.esp
SpellResearch.esp
NarrativeLoot Complete.esp
flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
TeraArmorsSSE Leveled Lists Rare.esp
TeraArmorsSSE RARE USSEP Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Book of UUNP - WIC - Cloaks Skyrim - Patch.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
SupaSizeMaDragons-OdahviingPatch.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
MusicMerge_NR.esp
SassyGirls.esp
HothFollower.esp
Serio's Enhanced Dragons.esp
ERSO 03 - Soft Slighty Mighty Dragons.esp
CaranthirTowerReborn.esp
WyvernRockHearthfire.esp
CFTO-JK-Patch.esp
Real Estate USSEP Patch.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp
Improved Adoptions.esp
Improved Adoptions Patch.esp
Custom Family Home.esp
Konahriks Privilege by Edhelsereg.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
JSW_GoldMaster.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
MLU - Inigo.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
Realistic-Voice.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
SignatureEquipment.esp
Skyrim Revamped - Summermyst Patch.esp
Smilodon - Realistic Damage.esp
StayArrowStayV1.0B.esp
Race Scale Remover.esp
UsefulDogs.esp
VioLens SE.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
DBM_NarrativeLoot_Patch.esp
BooksBooksBooks.esp
Phenderix Arcane Archery.esp
WitchhunterPack.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
Skyrim Revamped - Skyrim Expanded Weaponry NPC Patch.esp
Fixed body collision.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
Runandwalkpaces.esp
SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp
Bat Lord Armored SE.esp
Bat Lord Old Armor Royal SE.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
notice board.esp
KnightsRest.esp
Lucien.esp
JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp
DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
Missives.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Undriel_Everlight.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
SkyrimSewersUndeathPatch.esp
KhajiitChildren.esp
ajd_morekhajiit_sse_pc.esp
argoniansmore.esp
Khajiiteverywhere.esp
ajd_moreargonians_sse_pc.esp
TheFloatingMarket.esp
OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
3DNPC TKAA Patch.esp
HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE TKAA Patch.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn and Bags and Pouches Addon.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp
ExpendableMercs.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp
DBM_SRLEZ_Patch.esp
DBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
iHUD.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Animated Dragon WingsSE.esp
Ars Armorum - Better Shaped Weapons Patch.esp
SoS_Obsidian_Patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Ashes.esp
Undeath Immersive Lichdom.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
MeekoReborn.esp
BVandSacrosanct_Patch.esp
Tainted_Blood.esp
More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp
More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp
CH Bruma Patch.esp
DBM_BBB_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
YASH2.esp
DBM_YASH_Patch.esp
YASH2_CP4BV.esp
Improved closefaced helmets for Undeath SSE.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
ELFX - Hardcore.esp
SoS_ELFX+Hardcore+Weathers_Patch.esp
MLU.esp
MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
MLU - Summermyst.esp
DBM_MLU_Patch.esp
MLU - ZIA.esp
MLU - Improved Closefaced Helmets.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks-3DNPC.esp
STR_AFT_CompatibilityPatch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

What I have gotten from some testing is that I can get the game to save if I have next to no mods. I could try a minimalistic load order, but I'd like to hear the community on this first.

Thank you in advance, etc.

[GentleLite]

I just wing it and troubleshoot myself. Those software that help load order and such doesn't really do much.

 

Anyway... The crash during save option is very common and unfortunately its different for everyone since not everyone uses the same mods. Start by removing your recent mods and try to load your older saves to try to save. If possible, try to match a save file with the mods you have. You should get warnings if a save had used certain mods.

[ShadowySchemer]

I just decided to start from a clean slate.

[ShadowySchemer]

Update: Found out after some testing (And copious amounts of removing mods) that when I disable my bashed patch the game works fine.

[c0ax599]

Yea man, I was going to suggest, re-installing, and then only installing a few basic mods you know work, skse, skyui, etc. Then installing one by one, testing saving etc.

 

c0ax599

[ShadowySchemer]

I know what I'm doing this weekend

[ShadowySchemer]

Update: Decided to try out Mator Smash to replace my bashed patch, and surprisingly I'm now able to save. I have no idea why it doesn't save with a bashed patch but it does with a Mator Smash. I'll be doing some more testing today and will return here to talk more about it.

[ShadowySchemer]

Okay, so I added some mods later, redid the Smash, and it started crashing again. I then went back to my old load order, the one that worked after removing mods and redid the Smash again. Still crashed. I then decided to build an entirely new Smash with those few mods that work together, and it didn't crash anymore. My hypothesis from all this is that there was some mod in my load order that sort of baked its files into the Smash and kept them there even after removing the mod and rebuilding the Smash. So, I guess this is now all sorted out. Thanks to all the two people (and various reddit posts) that helped.