Some NPC outfit's aren't being affected by Bodyslide morphs

[kenobi1]

Heyo

 

So I noticed that a small selection of outfits on NPC's aren't being displayed according to the bodyslide morph I implemented, yet the same outfits are morphed correctly when I wear them-the NPC's seem to still be using the base CBBE Petite morph. I would assume if I undressed Keerava her body morph would display appropriately, but since she's essential, I can't kill her to check.

 

The only one I remember specifically off the top of my head is Keerava, and her barmaid outfit. Originally I thought it had something to do with her being Argonian, but I specifically remember non-beast race NPC's having the same issue (just not their names XP Though I think I remember another tavern lady-the one at the Bannered Mare?-having the same issue).

 

I triple checked, all outfits have been added to the build process in Bodyslide, so it's not a case of just derping and forgetting to build specific outfits to the morph.

 

What would the reason for this be, and is there a fix?

[Deleted58783396User]

you dont need to kill Npcs to check

 

Open the Console by pressing the Tilde key, with the Console Open Click on Keerava and type: Unequipall

 

the command will as implied unequip of all her gear including the outfit, so you can then see if she really is using the Bodyslide Preset.

 

 

Do you have any NPC overhauls, such as Bjiin Npcs, as they would include their own custom body.

[kenobi1]

you dont need to kill Npcs to check

 

Open the Console by pressing the Tilde key, with the Console Open Click on Keerava and type: Unequipall

 

the command will as implied unequip of all her gear including the outfit, so you can then see if she really is using the Bodyslide Preset.

 

 

Do you have any NPC overhauls, such as Bjiin Npcs, as they would include their own custom body.

 

 

Huh, so yeah, Keerava's base morph isn't what it should be either-she also isn't using a clothed morph, there was no change in her chest area when clothed vs unclothed, and there should be.

 

I do use a couple NPC mods, but nothing that *should* affect Keerava, or body morphs in general-just Distinct People and Immersive KS Hairdos, but as I understand it those just edit face textures and dirt, and hair, respectively. Beyond that, Keerava isn't even in the list of NPC's that *would* be affected, since she's Argonian, and those two mods only affect human and elf NPCs....right?

[Deleted58783396User]

accordingly said mods do indeed only effect facegen data.

 

the issue in question would be caused if you used a mod such as Unique NPC, which is a mod that gives npc's their own body type and uses a different folder location as opposed to the default femalebody.nif location (Character Assets folder), this would in turn prevent Bodyslide from applying any changes to the NPC's in question, unless setup to do so.

 

Bodyslide will only change stuff in the specific folder it is setup to change:

 

the body that Bodyslide will modify is this body: Femalebody.nif = which will be in this location by default: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\actors\character\character assets

 

if the npc's use a body outside of that location i mentioned above, then they will not be affected by bodyslide.

 

as for the armor and or meshes, bodyslide will modify them in their own location, which would have been setup by the people that created the bodyslide files for their own armor and or clothing. theoretically this should effect every single female, as the armor and clothing can be slided different to the femalebody.nif (which is the naked female body, as in the body you see when you or female npc is wearing no clothing/armor)

 

the bodyslided armor and or clothing should work on any npc, assuming the author of said armor and or clothing mods, added the correct armor addon entries.

 

Note: Not all CBBE Armor and or Clothing Mods Support Beast Races, the Author of these mods would need to add support for Beast Races Specifically. as they ovbiously use a different anatomy as opposed to human and elven races.

[kenobi1]

accordingly said mods do indeed only effect facegen data.

 

the issue in question would be caused if you used a mod such as Unique NPC, which is a mod that gives npc's their own body type and uses a different folder location as opposed to the default femalebody.nif location (Character Assets folder), this would in turn prevent Bodyslide from applying any changes to the NPC's in question, unless setup to do so.

 

Bodyslide will only change stuff in the specific folder it is setup to change:

 

the body that Bodyslide will modify is this body: Femalebody.nif = which will be in this location by default: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\actors\character\character assets

 

if the npc's use a body outside of that location i mentioned above, then they will not be affected by bodyslide.

 

as for the armor and or meshes, bodyslide will modify them in their own location, which would have been setup by the people that created the bodyslide files for their own armor and or clothing. theoretically this should effect every single female, as the armor and clothing can be slided different to the femalebody.nif (which is the naked female body, as in the body you see when you or female npc is wearing no clothing/armor)

 

the bodyslided armor and or clothing should work on any npc, assuming the author of said armor and or clothing mods, added the correct armor addon entries.

 

Note: Not all CBBE Armor and or Clothing Mods Support Beast Races, the Author of these mods would need to add support for Beast Races Specifically. as they ovbiously use a different anatomy as opposed to human and elven races.

Right...hm, AFAIK I'm not using any mod like that, but can I toss you my load order to see if you can find anything I missed that might be the cause, since you seem so knowledgeable about which mods do what? Shouldn't be any of the clothing mods I use, since Keerava is in her vanilla barmaid outfit. Edited March 15, 2019 by kenobi1

[Deleted58783396User]

sure, show us your mod setup and i will check it out.

[kenobi1]

Here ya go

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 RSkyrimChildren.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
7 7 BSAssets.esm
8 8 BSHeartland.esm
9 9 WinterholdDestruction.esm
10 a BBLuxurySuite.esm
11 b BS_DLC_patch.esp
254 FE 0 CBBE.esl
12 c FlowerGirls SE.esm
13 d TravellersOfSkyrim.esm
14 e dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
15 f dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
16 10 TerrainLodRedone.esp
17 11 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
18 12 Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp
19 13 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
20 14 EmbersHD.esp
21 15 Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp
22 16 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
23 17 RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
24 18 Cutting Room Floor.esp
254 FE 1 Qw_RelightingSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
25 19 SkyUI_SE.esp
26 1a RaceMenu.esp
27 1b RaceMenuPlugin.esp
28 1c KS Hairdo's.esp
29 1d Volkihar Knight.esp
30 1e Volkihar Knight - Light Armor Option.esp
31 1f The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
32 20 ShadowmarkLabels.esp
33 21 ScarletDawnArmor.esp
34 22 RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
35 23 RSChildren.esp
36 24 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
37 25 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
EBT - IC PATCH.esp
38 26 MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
39 27 Friendlier Taverns.esp
40 28 MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
41 29 AelaTheHuntress.esp
42 2a SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
43 2b icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
44 2c BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
45 2d BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
46 2e CollegeApplication.esp
47 2f Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
48 30 LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
49 31 Skyrim Better Roads - The Rift.esp
50 32 OpulentThievesGuild.esp
51 33 Distinct People.esp
52 34 Dawnstar Overhaul.esp
53 35 SkyHavenInterior.esp
54 36 skyBirds_SSE.esp
55 37 Skyrim Better Roads - EastMarch.esp
56 38 EBT - skyBirds Patch (mid).esp
57 39 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
58 3a Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
59 3b Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
60 3c armoured arvak.esp
61 3d Cloaks&Capes.esp
62 3e MoreThievingReward.esp
63 3f CoinPurseIncrease.esp
64 40 CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp
65 41 Dark Brotherhood Mask Fix - SSE.esp
66 42 Dark Face Bug Fix.esp
67 43 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
68 44 Drachis Argonian Eyes.esp
69 45 DreamBurrowsRegalHuntsmanArmor.esp
70 46 Earlier Health Warnings.esp
71 47 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
72 48 BVFE.esp
73 49 BVFE_Serana.esp
74 4a FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp
75 4b FNIS.esp
76 4c FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp
77 4d Full Magic Scaling.esp
78 4e ArcheryDummyXP.esp
79 4f Kato's Riverwood.esp
80 50 ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
81 51 JS Armored Circlets SE.esp
82 52 DragonbridgeSouthSide.esp
83 53 Heljarchen Full LOD.esp
84 54 Immersive Encounters.esp
85 55 BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp
86 56 CrownHelmetsRedux.esp
87 57 Horse Texture Replacer.esp
88 58 JKs Whiterun.esp
89 59 Lakeview Full LOD.esp
90 5a Windstad Full LOD.esp
91 5b Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
92 5c Skyrim Better Roads - Winterhold.esp
93 5d More idle markers.esp
94 5e Rorikstead Revised.esp
254 FE 2 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
95 5f SkyHavenTempleGarden.esp
96 60 Immersive Patrols II.esp
97 61 AHZBetterDGEntranceSE.esp
98 62 Phenderix Magic Evolved.esp
99 63 UniqueBorderGates-All.esp
100 64 UniqueBorderGates - No Pale Pass Gate.esp
101 65 Shor's Stone.esp
102 66 hillinalta2.esp
103 67 ForgottenCity.esp
104 68 falmer_blood_replacer.esp
105 69 Rotmulaag.esp
106 6a UniqueBorderGates-All-BetterDGEntrance.esp
107 6b The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
108 6c HoldBorderBanners.esp
109 6d isilNarsil.esp
Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp
110 6e Real Solitude Rocks.esp
111 6f BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
112 70 Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
113 71 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
114 72 Immersive Encounters - RS Children Patch.esp
115 73 WGT.esp
116 74 imp_helm_legend.esp
117 75 BetterShapedDawnbreaker2H.esp
118 76 NarrativeLoot Complete.esp
119 77 Phenderix The Dragonborn Artifacts.esp
120 78 SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp
121 79 StalhrimExtraCrafting.esp
122 7a StriderSword.esp
123 7b SwordOfTheSeeker.esp
124 7c TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn Addon.esp
125 7d TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp
126 7e TrueStormsSE.esp
127 7f VampireAttacksRestored.esp
128 80 Volcanic Crimson Glass Set.esp
129 81 Missing Apprentices CRF Quest Fix.esp
130 82 WerewolfNightEye.esp
254 FE 3 AHZBetterDGEntranceSE - BSHeartland Patch.esp
131 83 MoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.esp
132 84 CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp
254 FE 4 Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 5 Qw_CloaksAndCapes_CRF Patch.esp
133 85 Blowing in the Wind - JK's Whiterun Patch SSE.esp
134 86 XPMSE.esp
135 87 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
136 88 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
137 89 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
138 8a RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
139 8b Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
140 8c RR.IM.Hotfix.esp
141 8d Darkwater Crossing.esp
142 8e RealisticWaterTwo.esp
143 8f RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

[Deleted58783396User]

Download the ESP Version of CBBE, not ESL

 

also what mod is the WGT.esp, i dont recongize it

 

also i dont Recognize this mod: RR.IM.Hotfix <-- i had a look for it and the only mod that comes up with that is a Clothing mod for the UNP Body, if that is the case, that would explain why you are having issues with them (UNP mods will not work on CBBE).

 

however the RR mods are for Oldrim Only, and are only for UNP so that in itself will cause issue in Skyrim SE, and especially for CBBE SE

[kenobi1]

Download the ESP Version of CBBE, not ESL

 

also what mod is the WGT.esp, i dont recongize it

 

also i dont Recognize this mod: RR.IM.Hotfix <-- i had a look for it and the only mod that comes up with that is a Clothing mod for the UNP Body, if that is the case, that would explain why you are having issues with them.

 

however the RR mods are for Oldrim Only, and are only for UNP so that in itself will cause issue in Skyrim SE, and especially for CBBE SE

WGT is just an LOD fix for the White Gold Tower in Beyond Skyrim, and the RR one is a Rorikstead Revised patch from that mod's author that makes it and Immersive Citizens play nice. Will download the .esp version of CBBE later tonight; tbh I thought I already had that, but apparently he updated the mod in January and Vortex didn't catch it when I clicked 'update all' since he posted it as a completely new version on the mod page.

Edited March 15, 2019 by kenobi1

[kenobi1]

OK, so I swapped to the .esp version of CBBE, no difference.