Anyone else disappointed with the Stormcloak questline?

[fifteenspades]

Actually no, after Ulfric murdered Torygg, everyone was in shock at what had happened. ( or because he literally shouted him to pieces )

then he escaped because of his accomplice the gate man. (again please read back ~.~ we discussed it extensively and it would answer any questions you have lol

 

the reason he was never arrested or tried by the other Jarls is because they were too scared of him, Ulfric said it himself if you aren't with him you are against him.

He was arrested and was being taken Straight to the block when the imperials caught him. And guess what the imperials consist of Nords who don't agree with Ulfric. And guess what it doesn't matter if you are Nord, Breton, or Redguard if you are not with Ulfric he will kill you, unless you are Khajiit then he hates you regardless :3 ( unless a special dragonborn ). Then even the people who are "With" him he still doesn't care about them and is leading them astray with the illusion of "true nords" he could care less >> as long as he gets his way. ( please go back and read the many many pages we already had of this )

 

Really? so someone who faces his murderer knowing he will die doesn't make him a victim? because that is what you are saying.

Ulfric isn't suffereing from Delusions, he is soaked in the blood of revenge and anger for the Thalmor using him as a puppet in the war. Little does he know his string have not been cut and he is just dancing for the thalmor, string for string.

[fraquar]

They were in such shock they just grabbed him by the arm and instead of leading him to the gallows they lead him to the prison instead......

 

C'mon man. If Ulfric did as you say and just walked up to the sitting High King and murdered him he'd have been killed on the spot - no questions asked. No guard in their right mind would allow that to begin with. There HAD to be an air of legitimacy in the events that transpired to make people question their own actions to follow. So they put him in jail and let the powers that be sort it out.

 

This isn't 21st century civilization we are talking about here, you kill a sitting High King in cold blood without just cause, you are topless with a quickness.

[fifteenspades]

Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaad the pages before this.

 

You would find out that Torygg and EVERYONE else there thought Ulfric calling a meeting with the high king was to talk of peace, they let him in not knowing he was there to murder the king.

Torygg respected Ulfric and probably would have sided with him, but then instead of peace ulfric walks up to Torygg and kills him. then escapes with the help of the gate watcher

[Kraeten]

Really? so someone who faces his murderer knowing he will die doesn't make him a victim? because that is what you are saying.

 

When that someone accepts a challenge that involves a battle to the death, then yes that person isn't a victim. Surely if he was only a victim he might have more regrets than merely leaving his wife alone. Maybe he might regret not having a more able set of bodyguards. Or maybe he'd regret giving Ulfric an audience in the first place. A mere victim should have a thousand regrets.

 

Instead Torygg simply states that he faced Ulfric fearlessly and honorably. Toygg makes it clear he wasn't a victim. He practically had no regrets. He died in the truest Nordic fashion, in combat. End of story.

 

Anything his advisors might say is rendered irrelevant by Torygg's own words AND the simple FACT that Torygg is in Sovngarde in the first place. Sovngarde. The realm for warriors.

Edited December 2, 2013 by Kraeten

[LobselVith66]

Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaad the pages before this.

 

You would find out that Torygg and EVERYONE else there thought Ulfric calling a meeting with the high king was to talk of peace, they let him in not knowing he was there to murder the king.

Torygg respected Ulfric and probably would have sided with him, but then instead of peace ulfric walks up to Torygg and kills him. then escapes with the help of the gate watcher

Incorrect. Ulfric challenged Torygg to a duel as per Nordic tradition, which the High King accepted (because turning it down would have risked a Moot being called), and then Ulfric defeated him. That isn't murder.

 

And while Torygg may have sided with Ulfric, we don't know for certain that he would have; either way, Ulfric isn't telepathic.

[fifteenspades]

I am done lol not having this same conversation all over again.

 

If you want to know what we all generally accepted as the "truth" then read back and enjoy~

[StatiSky]

I sided with Ulfric my first time through because I chose a Nord, currently I'm playing a Imperial and playing it so whenever I see a random Stormcloak soldier or anyong supporting they die on sight. Honestly I was highly dissapointed after the Stormcloak questline because it seemed "noble" and my first character was being played noble while my Imperial is a assassin and thief. Things are obviously worse with Ulfric in control. Like in Whiterun most of the shoprunners aren't Nord and they talk about how hard it is on them with only Stormcloaks around because Stormcloaks are racist assholes, Ulfric especially. While I don't care about the Talos worship, but it's so bad to worship him in Skyrim because of Ulfric is forcing so much attention to it. I honestly doubt Ulfric cares about Talos worship despite being a "True Nord" he just evaluated the situation and knew what would upset people the most and put people on his side for his own selfish desire.

Alot of Nords who dislike the Empires rule of banning Talos worship deal with it because they know the Empire is better for Skyrim.

Ulfric has done nothing to truley help Skyrim and the Empire hasn't been the best but's it's definetly the lesser of two evils and seems more noble when compared to the Stormcloaks.. Which is the only thing I dislike about the amazing Kitiara mod. it breaks the realism for me if shes like "Oh you be lancelot and give me a good lancing." then turn around and say "I hate imperials." Mixed messages XD

Just imo

[LobselVith66]

I sided with Ulfric my first time through because I chose a Nord, currently I'm playing a Imperial and playing it so whenever I see a random Stormcloak soldier or anyong supporting they die on sight. Honestly I was highly dissapointed after the Stormcloak questline because it seemed "noble" and my first character was being played noble while my Imperial is a assassin and thief. Things are obviously worse with Ulfric in control. Like in Whiterun most of the shoprunners aren't Nord and they talk about how hard it is on them with only Stormcloaks around because Stormcloaks are racist assholes, Ulfric especially. While I don't care about the Talos worship, but it's so bad to worship him in Skyrim because of Ulfric is forcing so much attention to it. I honestly doubt Ulfric cares about Talos worship despite being a "True Nord" he just evaluated the situation and knew what would upset people the most and put people on his side for his own selfish desire.

a lot of Nords who dislike the Empires rule of banning Talos worship deal with it because they know the Empire is better for Skyrim.

Ulfric has done nothing to truley help Skyrim and the Empire hasn't been the best but's it's definetly the lesser of two evils and seems more noble when compared to the Stormcloaks.. Which is the only thing I dislike about the amazing Kitiara mod. it breaks the realism for me if shes like "Oh you be lancelot and give me a good lancing." then turn around and say "I hate imperials." Mixed messages XD

Just imo

It's hard on Adrianne because she made weapons for the Legion, and her father is the stewart of the Jarl who allied with the Legion; of course, she never addresses this as the reason why the Stormcloaks don't buy her weapons or armor. I wouldn't call the Stormcloaks racist over that. And with the Thalmor having free reign over Skyrim because of the WGC, I'm not seeing an Imperial victory as the better of the two options.

[fraquar]

Not sure why Adrianne would expect the Stormcloaks to do what the Imperials wouldn't even do - commission weapons from Adrianne. That was done by a 3rd party Imperial sympathizer trying to suck up even more to the Imperials.

Edited December 2, 2013 by fraquar

[MODinsane]

Let's be honest here. The whole game is sort of based upon Romans vs Celts. Ive read many years the history of Rome and the Celts. The Romans, of course, were the Military Machine of its day and the Celts are the Fathers of Europe in history. I sided with the Stormcloaks. You chose what direction you want and do what you want, it is a game. MODS make the game do many different things, so there you have it. You want some interesting history, Vercingetorix was a Celtic leader who was the only one in history during Julius Ceasar's rule, to unite the tribes against Rome. He lost in the end, surrendered as would by tradition among Celts when they couldn't win, but Julius paraded him through Rome as a trophy, then had him strangled. Elves are great in the game, the Dominion are tyrants in my opinion and the Empire isn't any different. It's a game, do what you want, but the MODS splinter off in all sorts of directions.