Anyone else disappointed with the Stormcloak questline?

[papadoz]

just read book called ulfric stormcloak..found it during diplomacy immunity quest..when you guys finish read it, do you ever want to side with the stormcloaks?

[RighthandofSithis]

just read book called ulfric stormcloak..found it during diplomacy immunity quest..when you guys finish read it, do you ever want to side with the stormcloaks?

 

We all know about Ulfric's dossier. And yes, we still support the Stormcloaks (in game at least)

Edited September 13, 2012 by RighthandofSithis

[terrorofskyrim]

Since when is anyone the "good" guy in a war? bethesda really made he's point about the civil war quests. i too felt bad for being a stormcloack, but i chose for them because of thalos. at the other hand, the empire had no choice to accept the rules of the dominion. but they kept order in the empire and were more tolerant to other peoples.

 

anyway they both have there flaws and i am still not sure witch one to chose, sonce everytime i play as one of them, i feel bad. (witch bearely happens for a game to me, again well done bethesda)

[gingersnapples]

when i start the civil war quest, i start it either because of my character, or because its a stupid, drawn out brush war that needs to be dealt with so people can move on with their lives and skyrim/the empire can focus their attention on the real problem: the thalmor.

 

most of the time its the latter, and since i can't use the "who annoys me less" approach (as they both do) i usually just roll a die, flip a coin, or use a random number generator

 

EDIT: as a few examples for character: if my character becomes harbinger or archmage, they stay neutral, if they are listener, they usually go with ulfric (why support a group who's leader i just killed?)

 

thieves go with empire (because of maven, unless that character doesn't like her, then i just don't start the civil war quest)

Edited July 3, 2013 by gingersnapples

[screendrop]

I just finished the Stormcloak questline today. I could never bring myself to do it because I always felt bad at Whiterun when forcing Balgruff to submit and Vignar walks in there, so I always reloaded an earlier save. I thought I needed to see what the ending was though so I finally finished it. It gave me the distinct impression that the Stormcloaks were closer to the bad guys than the Imperials (something I had always suspected).

 

A). We all have to admit Ulfic's intentions are less than honorable. The last conversation between he and Galmar really gave that away. He just wanted to be king.

 

B). General Tullius' last words made sense. The Empire never planned to go out quietly, the military was always preparing for another war, but it was the Aldmeri Dominion who started the troubles in Skyrim. (I wonder if they contacted Ulfric by chance?)

 

C). Without Skyrim, the Empire may not be able to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion, and Skyrim by itself certainly won't be able to. Regardless of what you may think (I'm not taking arguments on this one), Skyrim doesn't have the power to withstand an empire that was able to give the Empire, made of many provinces, a run for it's money.

 

D). No one actually likes the Dominion, and no one helps them "enforce" their ban on Talos worship, which will most likely be lifted when the Empire renews war with the Dominion.

 

 

All that aside, Bethesda really put a twist into TES. Instead of it all being about one game, and one main story that ends at that game's end, the story from Skyrim might continue to the next game. Maybe we'll get to participate in the war with the Aldmeri. Or at least in an expansion maybe? Anyways, I hope the next game is in Valenwood or Hammerfell.

Theres one piece of dialogue that sold it for me, that the Stormcloaks are way over their head, and they are being sold garbage by Ulfric.

As you ride into Helgen, on the cart with Lokir and Ralof, Ralof says:

"Look at him, General Tulius, the Military govenor, and the damn elves are with him too, I bet they had something to do with this"

I bet they had something to do with this

 

But we know. The AD forced the empire into the Whitegold Concordat, forced the Empire to abolish all Talos worship. Forced the Empire to enforce the reigime and a leading Stormcloak soldier only believes "they had something to do with it". CHances are, the Elves had everything to do with it,and yet, Ralof thinks that Tulius is the leading perpertrator in the war.

 

Lets put it perspective. Who gains from the weakening of the Empire, the AD. WHo gains from the subjugation of Skyrim, the AD, who gains from the outlaw of Talos worship, the AD. Working backwards, it is most likely that the AD saw the Great War and the subsequent defeat of the Empire as a chance to silence Skyrim. By making the outlaw of Talos worship a requirement of the WhiteGold-Concordat, they set in place the seeds for a war that would inevitable simultaneously weaken two of their enemies. The insolence of Ulfric furthered this plan, as he fed the Stormcloak rebellion full of nonsense about who was to blame for the Talos issue and the consquent war. When one tracks it back, it can and can only ever be the Elves, the Empire, forced into a situation made untenable by the loss in the Great War and the insolence of the power hungry Stormcloak leader are the only victims and when it comes down to it, the Stormcload rebellion is the bad guy, because if Ulfric opened his eyes, and mind, they may have teamed up with the Empire to force the AD out of Skyrim, ending hostilities and consolidating Talos worship and the long standing relationship the Empire and Skyrim have had.

Just my opinion, b t dubs

 

~SD

[calfurius]

The Stormcloaks are honestly a bunch of (justifiably) angry Nords who are to pissed to see clearly. They are angry and want something to fight, regardless if it's wise or not. Ulfric made the empire the target, he gave the Nords somebody to fight against, somebody who they can beat down to take out their frustration and anger they feel towards the elves, towards magic users, towards the ban of talos, towards the humiliating defeat of the great war. The Nords are rightfully angry about their problems, but their target for their anger isn't being directed intelligently.

 

When the Empire begins the 2nd great war with the Aldmeri Dominion, the Nords will have a new target, a new enemy to blame. This time, it'll be the smart target. If half the Nords in skyrim were strong enough to bring the empire to a standstill because of their anger, think about how much damage they could cause to AD with that anger? The Nords in Skyrim have shown throughout their history that when they are pushed, they DESTROY, and the AD just pissed them off.

[Deleted4666244User]

I am not disappointed with the Stormcloaks, but the general Civil War.

 

There is evidence that The Empire is not truly on the Thalmor leash except for the WGC, and the effects of the Great War, which makes it hard for them to break it easily. The evidence is in a questline for a guild, the Dossier and even evidence that the HIGH KING was a Talos Worshiper and lore from Jarl of Markarth incident. All of this shows that the Empire is still under it's own control but the Thalmor have use of the WGC as a threat chip.

 

The Civil War was definitely weak in my mind. Ulfric's Dossier just reinforces that opinion.

[rattlemebones]

Ok, so we can all agree that neither The Empire nor The Stormcloaks are good guys (The Empire Is slowly dying and doing whatever it can to live and Ulfric Stormcloak is a straight up egomaniac), but neither are they evil. They both have their reasons for what they do and why they do it, but if we don't like either of them why can't we just become an Omnicidal Maniac, kill both The Imperial Legion and The Stormcloaks, and let the dragons take over and let Skyrim become their new home. Effectively taking a third option; if, we really don't like either faction.

[nikikicat99]

I play both sides. I mostly played as a Stormcloak at first, and I agree about the cause. But I don't like Ulfric that much. I dislike the way he treats the Dark elves and this is coming from someone who plays a Nord 80% percent of the time. The name Gray Quarter just seems derogatory and racially insensitive. That's one of the reasons. At first I started playing as the Stormcloaks since I wasn't paying much attention to the storyline, but then started playing as an Imperial since they don't question you based on your race. In real life I've been troubled numerous times because of racial reasons, so that's why I started playing both.

Edited July 24, 2013 by nikikicat99

[fifteenspades]

The Stormcloaks are honestly a bunch of (justifiably) angry Nords who are to pissed to see clearly. They are angry and want something to fight, regardless if it's wise or not. Ulfric made the empire the target, he gave the Nords somebody to fight against, somebody who they can beat down to take out their frustration and anger they feel towards the elves, towards magic users, towards the ban of talos, towards the humiliating defeat of the great war. The Nords are rightfully angry about their problems, but their target for their anger isn't being directed intelligently.

 

When the Empire begins the 2nd great war with the Aldmeri Dominion, the Nords will have a new target, a new enemy to blame. This time, it'll be the smart target. If half the Nords in skyrim were strong enough to bring the empire to a standstill because of their anger, think about how much damage they could cause to AD with that anger? The Nords in Skyrim have shown throughout their history that when they are pushed, they DESTROY, and the AD just pissed them off.

 

How are they justifiably angry. They are angry that the empire is in what they think is their homeland. a how to say... "true son of skyrim" yet what 99% of them keep forgetting is Skyrim isn't theirs. they were not there first, they took it from the snow elves. they invaded and forced there cultural beliefs and way of life into skyrim.

 

Maybe If all Nords were up in arms over this civil war it would be a different matter, but really only a small percentage bother. Most of them accept the conditions of the treaty even if they do not like it.