All Mods Affecting Spawns Cause Game Instability

[FishBiter]

I have the same issue you have, and here's some information for you to consider:

 

 

- ASIS and SkyrimMoreSpawns have an incredibly taxing method for increasing how many spawns your game has. They attach a script to every single npc/monster in the game, and when you enter an area each of those scripts fires simultaneously. That's a lot for the game to handle, no matter what system it has behind it.

 

I'm not sure if you actually said that you were using both ASIS and SkyrimMoreSpawns at the same time, but if you were then you took the above issue and increased it exponentially, since one mod ran all those scripts and spawned a ton of npcs, and then the other mod did the same thing on all the npcs the first one spawned. So if you're using both at the same time... STOP IT! Now, even worse, if you're using these mods along with Monster Wars or Warzones, then the problem gets bigger again.

 

SkyrimMoreSpawns has options in its MCM menu that lessen enemy spawns while not in a dungeon; you might want to consider setting those so it doesn't spawn additonal npcs outside dungeons, though I'm not sure this actually solves the underlying problem which is all those scripts firing at once.

 

 

 

If you want an alternative, look at Nightmare. Nightmare uses a much less taxing method; it runs one script that selectively spawns npcs around you. I have used it without issue. The only problem with it is that because of its method, you will often not see much of a difference when not in a dungeon, since you won't always encounter the groups that it is spawning while in exteriors. In interiors however, it does fun stuff like spawn npcs behind you in parts of the dungeon you have already cleared, meaning that the way out can be just as fun as the way in.

 

 

 

The following is more opinion:

 

Warzones and Monster Wars were not meant to be used with heavily modded games. They add a lot to the game on their own, and when you add a fully modded setup to that it spells disaster for your game. Skyrim is perhaps the least moddable elder scrolls game ever in terms of how much you can add to it, so you'll have to sacrifice something. It comes down to quanity or quality; you can either have a lot of npcs to fight, or you can have a more in depth fight.

 

I've been looking for a solution to the problems you've listed for a while now, and the above is really all I've come up with. Just like you, I remember a time where I was running the spawn mods and fighting groups of 30+ bandits, and swarms of Draugr without issue... but I think that was before I added a bunch of other mods.

[AndrealphusVIII]

I'm having a problem related to yours I think. I am using Skyrim Immersive Creatures which add increased spawns to the game. I am getting so many crashes near Riften I don't know what to do anymore... I surely hope it is related to Immersive Creatures because it has an option to turn off additional spawns, which I will be trying asap.

 

Symptoms of my crashes:

• Randomly walking outdoors near Riften CTDs every 5-10 minutes
• Sometimes pressing the ESC button may cause a crash as well
• When I die and auto-load a previous save file it crashes. Sometimes immediatly, sometimes it succeeds in loading and CTD's 1 second later (strangely manually loading does not crash as often)

My specs:

• GeForce GTX 770 4GB
• Intel Core i5 4670
• 16GB RAM
• 250GB SSD (with Skyrim installed on it)

My load order:

 

 

 

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HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Falskaar.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
JSwords.esm
Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
SPIKE.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
Rainbows.esp
Clanking Armor.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
fantasy music overhaul.esp
fantasy music overhaul - unique town music.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
TradeBarter.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Candle_DG.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Caravaner.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp
High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp
ZMY High Level Enemies Edits.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - CoT Nights lvl 8.esp
manny Lantern Caretakers.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
ShootingStars.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Destructible_bottles.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
JSwords_Load_Screens.esp
SkyTweak.esp
Fhaarkas Font Mod - SkyUI.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
BosmerArmorMATY743.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
DiamondWeaponsN.esp
DiamondArmorN.esp
DiamondCrossbow.esp
DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp
DragonbornArmorFix.esp
Earrings Set1.esp
Glass Variants.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
HoodsAndCirclets.esp
JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp
Ket_WEAPONIZER.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
skyforgedShields.esp
Wandererarmor.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
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ERSO 03.3 - Mighty Dawnguard Dragons.esp
ERSO 03.4 - Mighty Dragonborn Dragons.esp
DeadlyMonsters.esp
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ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp
ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x2.5.esp
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ERSO 08.2 - ERSO EXTREME HARKON.esp
ERSO 14.02 - Harder barter 8-4.esp
ERSO 14.03 - Vendor Soul Gems Only Empty And Very Rare.esp
ERSO 14.04 - Vendors Without Animal Parts.esp
ERSO 14.05 - Vendor Without Minerals.esp
ERSO 14.06 - Vendor No Enchanted Weapons Armors.esp
ERSO 14.07 - Vendor Very Less Weapons Armors.esp
ERSO 14.08 - Respawn Vendor Stuff 15 days.esp
ERSO 17 - Training cost 4.0x.esp
ERSO 26 - Realistic Fall Damages.esp
ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp
SkyRe_Combat.esp
SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp
ZMY LeftHandRings & Earrings SkyRe Comp Patch.esp
SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
disenchantment_font.esp
Better_Divine_Blessings.esp
Better_Standing_Stones.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp
OBIS.esp
OBISDB.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
AchieveThat.esp
Bounty Gold.esp
Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
ZMY Immersive Weapons Edits.esp
Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp
OBIS ApachiiSkyHair.esp
OBIS FALSKAAR PATCH.esp
OBIS-USKP Patch.esp
OBIS-UDBP Patch.esp
OBIS-IW Patch.esp
KillingTraps.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
EpisodeParallax.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
curalmilsphial.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
Dodge Mod.esp
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
Locational Damage.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
Enhanced Soul Trap.esp
3DNPC.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp
RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Diseased.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
WerewolfMastery.esp
meadery.esp
Honeystrand Meadery RND Patch.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
moveitLWT.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
AFT_iNPCFix.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp
TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp
getSnowy.esp
Purewaters.esp
PurewatersDG.esp
PurewatersDB.esp
RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
Purewaters-Falskaar.esp
SkyRe-DB Patch.esp
ZMY Falskaar Comp Patch.esp
zMy Dodge Comp Patch.esp
ZMy Clanking Armors Comp Patch.esp
zMy Dragons Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Hoods Circlets Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Ingestible Comp Patch 2.esp
ZMY Book Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Container Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Enchantment & Magic Effects Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Armor Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Combat Style Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Explosion and Factions Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Gamesetting Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Misc Items Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Weapon Armor Keyword Reproc Patch.esp
ZMY Music Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Outfit Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Spell Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Story Node Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Weapon Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Transmute Soulgems.esp
ZMY Werewolf & Companions Comp Patch.esp
ZMY SIC RND Food Comp Patch.esp
ZMY Diseased Edits.esp
ZMY NPCs Comp Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Automatic Variants.esp
ReProccer.esp
ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp
ReProccerDragonborn.esp
qotsafans IA6 Invisible Helmets Patch.esp

 

 

 

I checked my papyrus log after each crash, but I found nothing out of the ordinary. Also, I don't think I'm already hitting the 3.1GB limit, as sometimes I CTD 10 minutes after starting.

I thought it could be a navmesh issue, but I'm not entirely sure. I'm thinking and hoping it's the increased spawns so i can do something about it.

 

Kind regards

Andre

Edited July 29, 2013 by AndrealphusVIII

[Arcanant]

If you find anything pls let us know, I am having the same issues and it is becoming really a pitty because I would love to use mods like Sands of Time, Nightmare, Increased spawns etc. At some point I will make a post with my mods load order and all kinds of logs