WraithTDK Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Dragon Age: Origins is listed in Vortex, but it's been fairly well documented that it doesn't work well. Are there other titles like this? Is there a list? If not, could we possibly create a sticky post documenting games for which it's a bad idea to use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannin42 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 There are 0 open bug reports regarding Dragon Age: Origins so no, it's not well documented that it's not working.The only way to report a problem such that we have a chance of fixing it is through the feedback system or github. Edit: This is the list of known issues: https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/Vortex/issuesIf there is no bug report about a game on that list, we assume it works perfectly. If you want to contribute by documenting problems wtih games, do it there, not here in the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithTDK Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 There are 0 open bug reports regarding Dragon Age: Origins so no, it's not well documented that it's not working. Well, here is one from and Admin talking about a known issue in October and here is a staff member saying they've discussed it in several threads. That was from a couple months ago. It's been discussed enough that I consider it well documented, and it was very disheartening a few months ago when I bought a lifetime premium membership, spent hours loading my mods into Vortex (because I couldn't get them to import properly from NMM), only to learn it doesn't work right. I didn't think it worth whining or moaning about, because that didn't seem productive. Clearly people knew about it, and I figured the odds of it ever getting fixed for a game that old, if it wasn't fixed already, were slim to none. Then, I started playing Dragon Age Inquisition, and I started reading the same thing about that game, and was pointed to a different manager just for DAI; so I figure it would be useful to document things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Then, I started playing Dragon Age Inquisition, and I started reading the same thing about that game, and was pointed to a different manager just for DAI; so I figure it would be useful to document things like this. The way you "document things like this" is to use Vortex and/or GitHub feedback to send a bug report. It's really quite easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithTDK Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Then, I started playing Dragon Age Inquisition, and I started reading the same thing about that game, and was pointed to a different manager just for DAI; so I figure it would be useful to document things like this. The way you "document things like this" is to use Vortex and/or GitHub feedback to send a bug report. It's really quite easy to do. Bug reports are useful for letting developers know that a bug exists. This thread makes it very clear that the developers already know that this bug exists. The devs have instructed people not to use Vortex for DAO, and site Staff commented in the thread (which has been active fore months now) saying the same thing. The bug in particular is that the game wipes a crucial file so that not only are all your mods wiped from the game...the game doesn't even recognize the game's official DLC. That's a considerable problem. And there are similar issues with the game's sequels. When you have issues like this, it seems prudent to have a more readily available list of such bugs. I could find no such list in the support forums for the software (which I've little doubt is where an awful lot of people turn first when looking for support), so I thought it'd be a good idea. It's great to have a place to report bugs...but this is something that's been talked about on these forums by several members, acknowledged by at least two staffers, and has been floating around for months now. It could be months until the problems are fixed if ever. In the meantime it'd be nice if there was something people could reference in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Bug reports are useful for letting developers know that a bug exists. That's precisely why you need to document the bug you've found and report it to the developers. According to Tannin42, there are currently zero open bug reports. The developers won't know about the bug unless you document it and report it to them. This thread makes it very clear that the developers already know that this bug exists. How do you know whether the developers know about this bug? In the threads you cite, there are no developer responses. Furthermore, the staff you cite are very able and knowledgeable people, but they are not the Vortex developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithTDK Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 How do you know whether the developers know about this bug? In the threads you cite, there are no developer responses. Furthermore, the staff you cite are very able and knowledgeable people, but they are not the Vortex developers. And would you consider them honest? Because this was from a site administrator: Alright, I've heard back from the Vortex developers on this one. There is currently a known bug with DA:O support whereby Vortex will incorrectly clear addins.xml and add only the most recently installed mod. This removes the DLCs from the loading list. We'll be sure to patch this up in a future update (quite likely the next one) so for now, you may want to use one of the alternatives suggested by theskymoves. According to this admin, the developers informed them that there is a known issue. I don't really see how the developers could have told her there is an issue unless they knew there was an issue, and I certainly don't see why they'd call it a "known issue" if there are no known issues. A few post later, a second staff member states: All; I've written an extensive post on how DAO/DA2 decides which mod will be "active" when two or more that affect the same game file are present. This process is similar to, but not exactly like, what BethSoft game modders call "Load Order". I've been on holiday for the past week and am not yet at my main rig, so I'll dig up that old post when I get back. Meanwhile, until it receives significant updates to handle them, I don't think Vortex is the appropriate mod manager for DAO/DA2.The DAO Modmanager (DAMM) is the better option. And the last post in that thread, a mere six weeks ago, again from a staff member: @Zarqualyn; As I've pointed out in many, many threads, (including this one) Vortex does not handle all the different mod types for DAO/DAA/DA2 very well. I only, (and *highly*) recommend using the DAO-ModManager (DAMM). So now you've got a second person who works for this site advising people not to use Vortex because it breaks DAO (and apparently DA2 as well). If you've got one person who works here talking to the devs, and a second person saying "this is a problem, don't use the software, and saying it in 'many many threads' (indicating that this is something that is talked about very often)" and somehow the devs are still not aware of the issue, that indicates a fairly serious communication issue to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 instead of crying about it in a thread that will be (and deserves to be) ignored, why don't you do as requested, and give feedback via vortex and/or github, so that the developers can see your complaints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithTDK Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 instead of crying about it in a thread that will be (and deserves to be) ignored, why don't you do as requested, and give feedback via vortex and/or github, so that the developers can see your complaints? Instead of refusing to actually read what you're responding to, why don't you scroll up to the part where I clearly illustrate that STAFF HAS ALREADY STATED THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUE. They're telling users in multiple threads THAT THE DEVELOPERS TOLD THEM OF THE PROBLEM, AND THAT USERS SHOULD AVOID USING THE SOFTWARE. Why in God's name do the Developers need ME to tell them about an issue that they are already telling other people about? That makes no sense. You know what would makes sense? If there was a readily available list of of problems like this that the developers have known about for months, so that people aren't spending hours setting up the software only to have it break their game. Seriously, if you can't be civil the least you can at least be literate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 That's the funniest response I've seen on here in weeks. You're obviously a troll. Good luck my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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