Blocked for reasonable feedback

[Deleted49413338User]

I feel like some "authors" will just block people and get soooo defensive for no real reason. Is that because they kinda know there work is actually not that good? idk

 

Dude just know blocked myself for suggestions and deleted mine and Gambit77's reply. Can you even imagine blocking Gambit 77? lol

 

I am gonna just say, it was a courser coat retexture.. I really don't care.

 

I like to see new people learning modding and I always try help when I can.

 

I am not sure where these weird type of people come from though that refuse any form of help and just f*#@ing block you if you try.

 

It's a bit odd imo.

[Thuggysmurf]

Not sure if it will help, but I'll try to shed a little light, just as someone who has blocked I think about 17 users over the course of several years, a million or so downloads, and thousands of user posts.

 

1) Users have posted publicly before about getting blocked for "reasonable feedback" without specifying what they said, or they've lied about what they said to get blocked, so you never really know. Not saying that's what happened in this case. No idea what the particular facts are.

 

2) Approximately 1 in 25 adults in the U.S. experiences a serious mental illness in a given year, 2.6% are bipolar, and 7% had at least 1 major depressive episode in the past year. Some of that group inevitably posts on Nexus, as do people outside that group who are just having a bad day, as well as plenty of pre-teen kids (contrary to Nexus T.O.S). Only a tiny fraction ever get blocked, which is a testament to how well Nexus is run and how polite users here are in general, relative to any other social media site out there. But....

 

3) There are still some truly disturbed mod users out there. They do things like stalking mod authors across social media platforms, issuing death threats to mod authors, issuing death threats to voice actors, photoshopping racial slurs onto a mod author's Reddit username and then posting it to Reddit, and other acts of creative attention-seeking. More popular authors have probably experienced much worse, but these are just a few of the things that have been directed my way over the years.

 

4) At some point (and for me that point was when someone went after a kid voice actor), a mod author may decide to take a firmer stance against trolling. You learn to swing the ban hammer a little quicker knowing that by giving a troll an inch, they'll probably try to take a mile. It's easier to just cut it off immediately, at the first hint, never letting it get past first base, because your experience is that no matter how you respond, a determined troll will escalate, and it's just not worth the time since we're not getting paid to do this. A no tolerance policy makes supporting a free mod easier, but the cost is that it surely results in some false positives. There's no perfect solution.

 

Bigger picture though, when someone posts a mod, it's basically like a gift, a public and unsolicited one, but one that anyone can use (or not, no one is being forced to do anything). When receiving a gift in real life, most people would never say "I think you should change x, y, and z about this gift". They would say "thank you", or less likely, "oh, that's so sweet but I don't need that because I already have one (or reasons)."

 

Because this is all online and anonymous, traditional etiquette gets a bit lost. Some mod authors want feedback. Some just want to post their mod and not be bothered about it. And all sorts of people, from all walks of life, and all different temperaments, post mods here. If my post as a mod user is something other than a variant of "thank you", I find it never hurts to check the mod page and ask myself, "does it appear this person wants feedback?" Because maybe they don't, in which case I don't want to do anything to cause them discomfort for giving me a gift, or to get myself blocked.

[SKKmods]

On persons constructive feedback is another persons brutal attack.

 

Good intentions can suffer from poor communication skills (tone & manner), sometimes its hard to differentiate.

 

But there are also some total nutters in the user and author communities, not something that can be fixed with KBM.

[Guest deleted34304850]

its his mod, he can do what he wants. perhaps he doesn't want "constructive" feedback from anyone.

[Vanguardascendant]

To the best of my knowledge, I've never been banned by anybody on Nexus. That being said, it does kind of suck that being banned means that you can't even download updates to a mod. It would be nice if a banning simply kept you from posting to the mod page. I've never posted a mod though, so maybe I'm missing something.

[chucksteel]

To the best of my knowledge, I've never been banned by anybody on Nexus. That being said, it does kind of suck that being banned means that you can't even download updates to a mod. It would be nice if a banning simply kept you from posting to the mod page. I've never posted a mod though, so maybe I'm missing something.

The author can choose to ban from just “posting” on the mod page or from “posting, downloading, and PM contact” all together. They can include all their uploaded files too.

 

I’ve only had to ban one person in all my time here and only because it was an extreme situation.

[PhanomGames]

The simple fact is many people hate feedback, and act like everything is a personal attack.

 

I've got PM's from people telling me I'm lazy for not making some of my mods VR compatible, when I ask what makes it not work in vr, they demand note I fix it without telling me what's wrong

 

People take experiences like that and generalize it onto all feedback. Why they leave a discussion team on their mod, I have no clue.

[ChuckYufarley]

In my brief experience I've had basically three types of "constructive" feedback.

 

1) User brings to my attention an issue with the mod not functioning the way I'd intended. If the user provides enough of a description to give me a good idea where the problem lies, I'll begin the process of narrowing down the cause of the issue. Perhaps the user is an experienced modder who knows exactly what the problem is, thus letting me know precisely where I made a mistake and allowing me to jump right to the cause of the problem and fix it straight away. This type of feedback is invaluable and provides me a learning experience that broadens my knowledge of modding.

Sometimes the user only gives a vague description at which point I'll seek clarification and/or look for similar feedback that may shed more light on the issue. In some cases, thankfully, additional users will respond with follow-up responses confirming the issue and perhaps giving more feedback as to where the issue might lie. In these cases I'll begin the process of rectifying the problem and will typically maintain a dialogue with the user(s) until a solution can be found. Again, this type of feedback is invaluable as it allows for a working relationship between the users and myself, thus expanding my knowledge base and letting the users know that I do value their input. Keep in mind though that my goal is to have the mod function the way I had originally intended. I don't mind suggestions and sometimes they serve to confirm that a feature I may have previously considered would be well received. Bottom line though is I want the mod to meet my expectations. This is the kind of 'constructive' feedback that will result in my continued work on a mod.

 

2) "I don't like this, would you consider changing it?" This is the kind of 'constructive' feedback I typically ignore.

 

3) "I don't like this, I demand you change it." This is where I draw the line and consider blocking the user.

 

Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes 'constructive' or 'reasonable' feedback. I myself have never given feedback other than endorsing the mods I've enjoyed using. I ventured into the entire modding experience with the understanding that it was an imperfect science(art?...whatever) and as the recipient of a multitude of free offerings, I've never felt compelled to look a gift horse in the mouth.

[kestrelhawk]

I downloaded a mod approximately a year and a half ago, for an item with a pre-war texture. Now, I still use this mod and love it, but at the time I asked the mod author if he had any plans to upload a post-war texture. He was kind enough to answer and said he hadn't found the right model yet to work, only one he didn't really like, but was looking. Recently, this modauthor turned the mod over to someone else, and as I was tracking it, I received a notification on a comment. I went to look, and asked the new 'caretaker', if there was any news on a post-war texture yet. Basically, I got jumped on, the reply was very belligerent, the gist of it being that 'didn't you already ask this question? If you don't like it, tough.' (his/her words) I was quite surprised, as I hadn't been rude, and felt it a reasonable question, after so much time and a new person in charge of the mod. I responded that that was why I had asked 'yet', thank the person for the reply, if not the spirit in which it was given. (my words) I suppose he/she took offense at that, and the next notification a week or two later of an update, I click it, only to find myself blocked from accessing the mod page altogether. Now, I am never, ever, rude to a mod author, but I felt that was over the top for a mod author/caretaker. Now, my son looked up the mod page, and the new caretaker had uploaded a post-war version. All I could think was, WTH? I have the update, thanks to my son, but when I have some time, I am determined to learn what I can about altering textures. I have never been banned from anything on Nexus or anywhere else, so it hurt and insulted me. I got over it though, what else can one do?

 

People are strange, no doubt about it, and sometimes it's just not worth worrying about.