Having a weird bug with npc's not moving

[Brandonwigwam]

So I've been replaying New Vegas for a while now and I keep having a recurring issue in which npc's seemingly refuse to move. It started out with Sunny Smiles during the tutorial quest, but then it kept happening with other examples including Manny Vargas and the doc/her mercenaries in Novac, the drug addled people in the high times quest in Freeside, Orris and Pacer during the G.I Blues quest (the Latter after the shootout thank god, and what's caused me to finally report this issue, the people who come up to you during the birds of feather quest during the guard portion which is causing a problem with the quest. This has also with the legion in Nipton, but in that instance several of them were bunched up together near one of the crucifixes close the general store (along with Vulpes Inculta) and again refused to move except Vulpes (who is most likely scripted to leave). I'm not sure if it's a navmesh issue given that it doesn't effect all the NPC's in a given cell, but for all I know it could be. I'll have load order linked below for reference. Also in the load order I have about 6 merged plugins mod I'll have the plugins inside those linked below as well.

 

Pack2.esp (F.T.R was added after the goodsprings incident) = Tales from the Burning Sands.esm, NewVegasRailroads.esm, TheREPCONNBlues.esp, TripToTheBank.esp, AlienExterminator.esp, FiveAcesGunShop.esp, NewVegasRailroads-PNPatch.esp, NewVegasRailroads-AWOPPatch.esp,YUP-TBS.esp, YUP-Railroads.esp, TheCollector.esp, TankHome.esp, MM Headhunter.esp, Aliens&MiniBlasters.esp, housepresence.esp

G.R.A.esp = M1905.esp

BT87.esp

BHPM1935.esp

MSR556.esp

M16A2.esp

CZ805.esp

SVU.esp

FAMAS.esp

Galil.esp

Pernach.esp

PKM.esp

Serbu.esp

Scout.esp

KP31.esp

TOZ66.esp

WA2000.esp

M1897.esp

PN_DEagle_Replacer.esp

ilbuonorevolver.esp

clintsfistfulrevolver.esp

DLC Weapon Integration - WMX.esp

Camon & Scottmack Weapons.esp

Crossbow.esp

Walther SMG.esp

GyrojetCarbine.esp

M1903A3Springfield.esp

R700.esp

Campo_Giro.esp

SPARMAMENTARIUM.esp

SPRearmed.esp

CloudGrenades.esp

FO4_PipeRifle.esp

TLOUHomemadeFlamethrower.esp

Classic10mmSMG.esp

weapon patch.esp (merged patch to deal with conflicts)

N.C.A.esp = A Difference of Opinion.esm

Transcendence.esm

Abandoned Complex.esm

Finality.esm

Sweet Home.esm

Folly of the Old World.esm

rotfacetoriches.esp

avangraffscorned.esp

athornysituation.esp

awilderwasteland.esp

Pacersgambit.esp

TMCOTT - Restored.esp

Beyond The Beef Tweaks.esp

OldWorldBlues - Keep Big MT Active.esp

OWB-Path Lights.esp

Cut Sewers Restored.esp

Pickable Cave Fungus with OWB.esp

Uncut Wasteland.esp

NVR3_UncutWastelandPlusNPCs Patch.esp

Rewarding Exploring.esp

OWB_CazaclawFacility.esp

Courier's Stash Scattered.esp

The Law Won.esp

CaveHome.esp

VertibirdCrashSites.esp

AutoFac.esp

A Guide To Revenge.esp

NationalGuardCheckpoint.esp

BibleHuntingQuest.esp

RagsToRiches.esp

ChemControl.esp

quest patch.esp (merged patch to deal with conflicts)

B.P.J.esp = Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp

ILO - A World of Pain.esp

ILO - D.E.I.M.O.S.esp

ILO - NVWillow.esp

ILO - Nevada Skies Patch.esp

ILO - YUP Patch.esp

WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

AWOPDeadMoneyVendorPatch.esp

AWOP WRP Patch.esp

ILO - New Vegas Bounties.esp

NVR3_AWOP Patch.esp

NVR3_ElectroCity Patch.esp

NVR3_ProjectNevadaEquipment Patch.esp

NVR3_YUP Patch.esp

Willow by Dracomies v2.esp

Alternative Repairing - Honest Hearts.esp

Alternative Repairing - Lonesome Road.esp

NVR3_OutsideBets Patch.esp

AWOP - Russell.esp

outsidebets_meyersfix.esp

Someguy Series Tweaks.esp

NVR3_UnofficialPatchPlus Patch.esp

Unofficial Patch Plus - PN Cyberware Patch.esp

Unofficial Patch Plus - Project Nevada Patch.esp

Unofficial Patch Plus - PN Rebalance Patch.esp

NVR3_VendorContainersElaborate Patch.esp

NVR3_TLDTravelers Patch.esp

YUP - AutumnLeaves Patch.esp

RobCo Certified Friendly Hit Fixer.esp

Enhanced NPC Awareness.esp

CraftableWeaponMods-WeaponsOfTheNewMillenia.esp

fwvXoanon_QuestSounds.esp

fwvXoanonOutfitBonuses.esp

fwvXoanonGamepadWeaponMenu.esp

fwvXoanonGamepadProtocols.esp

fwvXoanonRevisedCompanions.esp

YUP-Khan.esp

YUP-OutsideBets.esp

Y.M.C.esp = SafeAutoSave.esp

NukaCola-Ojo.esp

Cowboy Perk Complete - New Vegas Bounties.esp

Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp

CraftedMantisGauntlet.esp

Burning Campfire.esp

Burning Campfire - HH Patch.esp

Glasses Fix.esp

Rebreather Tweaked.esp

Asterra's Many Fixes.esp

Bathroom Doors Fix.esp

Caleb McCaffery NPC and Hat Bug Fixes.esp

Female White Glove Society Mask.esp

FIXforLegionArmors.esp

MeleeReachFixed.esp

Nightkin Scripts Corrected.esp

Perks Day Tripper and Chemist Survivalist Style Fix.esp

CassFix.esp

NV_IFR.esp

Lucky Shades use Authority Glasses Model.esp

Camp Grills.esp

Camp Grills - Honest Hearts.esp

CounterfeitCaps.esp

Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp

Snowglobes Redone.esp

migWellRested.esp

WorkingCapPress.esp

WorkingCrimsonCaravanTraders.esp

Motion Sickness Reduction Mod.esp

Better Hollowed-Out Rock Loot.esp

BetterNCRSupplyCache.esp

Dead Money Surprise Items.esp

Eddie Hears An Explosion.esp

Logic and Consistency Fixes.esp

Lonesome Road Roughin It Bedroll Kit Fix.esp

RadscorpionEggRestoration.esp

Strip Wall Billboards.esp

MojaveSandyDesert.esp

Mother Lupa.esp

Vicious Violetta.esp

STDG.esp

Boones Machete is a Broad Machete.esp

ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp

Combat Music.esp

RetrievableThrowables.esp

ThrowableFixes.esp

Rain Fix.esp

WeightlessAmmo.esp

Unlimited Traits.esp

Economy Overhaul.esp

Gifted.esp

Near Death.esp

NPCs Can Miss.esp

Stealing -1 Karma.esp

Casino Exchange All.esp

Convenient Fast Travel Markers.esp

JokerineKarmaGraves.esp

No more giant manhole covers.esp

lexx_brahmin-variant.esp

Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp

Lucky 38 intro poster.esp

SpoonRedone.esp

Tutorial Killer.esp

GasPumpsOfNV.esp

Teas.esp

SimpleRoastedFood.esp

NVAnimatedTerninalScreenSaver.esp

misc patch.esp (merged patch to deal with conflicts)

C.L.A.esp = Armored Duster.esp

Dark Justice Duster.esp

JRougeRangerCoats4Loot.esp

manwithnoname.esp

I Got Spurs.esp

courierpowerarmor.esp

Fiendish Power Armor.esp

Book of Steel.esp

ILO - New Vegas Bounties II.esp

ArmoredVault21JumpsuitRestoration.esp

Combat Leather Jacket.esp

LonesomeRoadScorchedSierraPowerHelmet.esp

DeadMoneyMoreCraftedKnifeVariants.esp

CasinoHeistPack.esp

CasinoBankMoney.esp

FO2CombatArmor.esp

DragonskinTacticalOutfit.esp

DragonskinNCRPersonnelWearingOutfits.esp

TheLozza's_Gasmasks_V2.esp

Tribal Power Helmet.esp

JustAnArmorPack_NV.esp

Classic Leather Armor MkI MkII.esp

ClassicMetalArmorMkI.esp

Wastelanders.esp = kochandbohr.esp

Sentry Bot Toy Attacks.esp

CIB Bighorners Var.esp

CIB Bighorners - HH.esp

NVGustsyHandyAnimatedEyes.esp

Mojave Raiders.esp

NVR3_MojaveRaiders Patch.esp

Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style).esp

BartonThornTrigger.esp

Sheriff Meyers.esp

VincentVincent.esp

3DNPC_Velius.esp

Alien Merchant.esp

Irradiared Radroaches.esp

NVFeralGhoulChildren.esp

khanpresence.esp

ncrandlegionpatrols.esp

[dubiousintent]

Don't believe it is a "navmesh" issue, unless it is induced by some of your "merged plugins". In general it is not a good idea to merge ESM files, in part because the process used by "Merge Plugins Standalone (MPS)" (which I assume you used) uses the "merge down" method which changes record references and can unexpectedly break dependent mods. (This is discussed in the wiki "Merged Plugin Guidelines for Personal Use" article.)

 

In addition, ESMs are treated differently than ESP files by the game engine. When merged, those conditions are not recognized. It looks like you have merged ALL of your non-DLC mod ESMs (which are not listed but presumably there), so I am not surprised you are having problems.

It sometimes helps to think of using ".ESM" files to add new things, and ".ESP" files to change existing things or modify existing areas. Depending on how you create your "ESM", it might not modify existing things in-game. In other words, if there is an existing navmesh, an "ESP" will overwrite that navmesh, but an "ESM" might not. Similarly, if your "ESM" deletes an object (like a rock) it might work as an "ESP" but the rock might still be there as an "ESM". - from the "ESM and ESP Files" entry in the wiki "Getting started creating mods using GECK" article.

Merging plugins is something of an art form. That some can be merged does not mean that they should be merged. As you are having problems with "actors", in addition to separating out the ESMs (and mods that act as "masters" for other mods, like WMX and AWOP), I would try also separating out any plugins that contain actors you are having problems with.

 

Finally, assuming that list is in "sort order", I have problems with it. It is great that you included the makeup of your "merged plugins", but we REALLY need to see a "load order" as produced by "LOOT"; to include the main game and DLC files. With modded games its the sequence, not merely the list of mods, which is the cause of many problems. LOOT's sort gives a good first approximation, correcting the most obvious issues and is sufficient for most players. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the on-line documentation under "Metadata". Instructions on how to copy it's list for posting are in the "How to ask for help" article, and "Checklist Item #11' entry in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

Please see the 'Vanilla Load Order' entry in the 'First Timer Advice' section; and the 'Common Game Problems' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

 

Follow the "Common Problems" advice BEFORE you merge plugins. I personally try to keep the plugins in LOOT sort order as much as possible when merging, which can mean multiple merges that are not neat "logical category" groups such as "ALL weapons" and "ALL NPCs". LOOT sorts based upon dependencies which it determines by examining the internal file headers. Sometimes it doesn't matter which plugin comes first, but when it insists one come before another, I always assume it has a reason. Generally I place all newly added plugins at the top (lowest numbered) of the LO, below the ESMs. Then I know that it can typically be moved lower in the order when I need to make it adjacent to others prior to a merge. But I always resort until LOOT gives me a "no changes" message.

 

If these suggestions do not resolve your problems, we probably will need to see your sorted LO of all those plugins BEFORE they are merged with MPS.

 

Even though you have created "merge patch" files for some of your "merged plugins" (which is fine but you will need to rebuild them after you split out plugins), suggest you also create one for the entire LO to determine if there are any record level conflicts between them and the ESMs.

 

-Dubious-

[Brandonwigwam]

Sorry for not including my load order (I thought Nexus had the file saved but apparently not(my luck)) so here is my load order if that helps.

 

FalloutNV.esm=1

DeadMoney.esm=1

HonestHearts.esm=1

OldWorldBlues.esm=1

LonesomeRoad.esm=1

GunRunnersArsenal.esm=1

ClassicPack.esm=1

MercenaryPack.esm=1

TribalPack.esm=1

CaravanPack.esm=1

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm=1

oHUD.esm=1

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm=1

Factions Reloaded - Merge.esm=1

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm=1

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm=1

NVInteriors_Core.esm=1

NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm=1

SaxxonsQuestPack.esm=1

CoitoErgoSum.esm=1

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm=1

domecity.esm=1

MoonQuest.esm=1

Niner.esm=1

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm=1

AWOPDeadMoney.esm=1

NVWillow.esp=1

NevadaSkies.esm=1

SomeguySeries.esm=1

Th3OverseerCore.esm=1

3DNPC_FNV.esm=1

3DNPC_FNVGeneric.esm=1

More Challenges.esm=1

New Vegas Stories.esm=1

KhanInitiation.esp=1

Companion Core.esm=1

RobCo Certified.esm=1

Project Nevada - Core.esm=1

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp=1

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp=1

Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm=1

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm=1

D.E.I.M.O.S..esm=1

fwv.esm=1

fwvXoanon.esm=1

SpeedyResources.esm=1

YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp=1

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp=1

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp=1

Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp=1

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp=1

N.C.A.esp=1

fwv.esp=1

fwvXoanon.esp=1

Loot Vehicles.esp=1

Pack2.esp=1

Vendors Containers Respawn Fix.esp=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp=1

RetrievableThrowables.esp=0

Wastelanders.esp=1

Project Nevada - All DLC.esp=1

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp=1

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp=1

BLEEDNV.esp=1

outsidebets.esp=1

RememberAmmo.esp=1

Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style).esp=0

Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp=1

TLD_Travelers.esp=1

Eliza.esp=1

vault22FloralOverhaul.esp=1

WeaponModsExpanded.esp=1

WMX-DLCMerged.esp=1

WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp=1

Lucky38Reloadedv5.esp=1

Identity Crisis Part I - Silent Struggle V2.esp=1

G.R.A.esp=1

AG Supplementary Uniques-AllInOne.esp=1

CaveHome.esp=0

Mojave Rooftops.esp=1

Unofficial Patch Plus.esp=1

Weapon Retexture Project.esp=1

NewVegasBounties.esp=1

Economy Overhaul.esp=0

Y.M.C.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesII.esp=1

TheInheritance.esp=1

CIB Supermutants - Overlords.esp=1

1nivVSLArmors.esp=1

Russell.esp=1

CourierCacheWSE.esp=1

Headhunting.esp=1

C.L.A.esp=1

NorthRoad.esp=1

BLMedical.esp=1

More Perks Merged.esp=1

Identity Crisis Part 2 - Long Night.esp=1

ADAM Complete.esp=1

ADAM - MERGE.esp=1

OldWorldBlues - Keep Big MT Active.esp=0

Mojave Rooftops Clutter and Enemies.esp=1

Mojave Rooftops - Old World Blues.esp=1

fwvXoanon_PersPref.esp=1

Cazador Companion.esp=1

Lucky Shades use Authority Glasses Model.esp=0

WorkingCapPress.esp=0

Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp=1

MoreNiner.esp=1

3DNPC_HopeLies.esp=1

Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp=0

Limitless Stats.esp=1

AutumnLeaves.esp=1

Alternative Repairing.esp=1

FNV NPCs Travel.esp=1

AG Supplementary Uniques-GRA.esp=1

KingOfTheRing.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesIII.esp=1

B.P.J.esp=1

AWOP-WMX-EVE AllDLCMerged.esp=1

Mojave Arsenal.esp=1

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp=1

Crashed Vertibird Interior.esp=1

WMX-POPMerged.esp=1

RestoredCaravanPlayers.esp=1

NVBabyDeathclawCommander.esp=1

Project Nevada - Better Sprinting.esp=1

CheckpointGary.esp=1

Ragdolls.esp=1

The Groovatron NV.esp=1

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp=1

FNV Merged.esp=1

[dubiousintent]

(I use a lot of "boilerplate" material for responses, so some of this may seem "elementary" as a consequence of writing for the "lowest common denominator" of newbie.)

 

* Move any "inactive/disabled" plugins out of the game "Data" folder. They count against the "plugin cap" because they get loaded by the game engine if found, and can cause "Missing Master" problems. Please see the wiki "Missing Masters" article if you get that error message.

Our current understanding is that if you have a plugin (active or not) installed in the "Data" folder, the game engine loads it up into memory when it starts. This can cause problems such as conflicts, even though the plugin is not "actively" used by the game; and it does count against the "plugin cap". However, the plugin cap is mostly a guideline as to "more than this the game starts to have memory issues" and it really depends upon the mix of plugins and textures involved and how much memory they collectively consume as to when that occurs. You have a limited amount (4GB when patched; 2GB by default) of memory available to the game and every plugin of any nature consumes some of that memory. Add to this that the game can be shown to have "memory leaks" which eventually cause it to CTD.

Additionally, any time you remove a plugin from your current play-through you risk corrupting your save game files. This is because they typically store information there as to the state of their variables and quests. If you picked up a unique (non-vanilla) item added by a mod, that item (like any item you pick up) is stored in the save game, but also requires the plugin it came from to be available as that item's "source records". Hence the general advice to never remove a plugin from your current game.

So, convenient or not, uninstall those inactive plugins. Once you do play them (as "active" in your "profile"), leave them in your game or start a "new" one. At the very least, if you think they are "completed" and you have not kept any of their "unique" items, make sure you know which was the last save game prior to removing the mod and are prepared to have to revert back to it when things go wrong later on (no matter how many hours later that may be). Perform a "Clean Save" (see the 'Clean Saves' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article) after removing the plugin and before resuming play, even once you go back to a previous save.

 

* "Compatibility patches" to make one mod work with another need to be placed after (as in "physically lower, higher numbered") in the "load order" than ALL of the plugins they are designed to make compatible. (This also applies to "fix" files.) ESMs should always be placed at the top (lowest numbered) positions in the "load order", followed by the related ESPs though they can be separated from their ESMs by other plugins. LOOT does a good job of determining those basic orders. Getting the "load order" incorrect will cause "Missing Masters" errors as well. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the on-line documentation under "Metadata". This applies even if the compatibility patches have been merged with other plugins. But also beware that "merging" might break their ability to patch the "master file", and vice versa.

I'm not familiar with the "3DNPC_FNV" (found it is from another site) and "CompanionCore" plugins (though the latter appears to be from "Companion Share & Recruit" (CSR), which is popular enough these issues should been more widespread if it was the cause). But as your primary issue is "NPCs stop moving", they are potential causes.

 

I did find a comment in the "CSR" comments about a suspected conflict with "RobCo Certified" and/or "JIP CC&C" 'breaking the "wait" function for companions recruited through this mod [CSR]' as well as another about problems of companions following "fast travel".

 

-Dubious-

[Brandonwigwam]

So starting from the top; I have removed most of my unused plugins before posting this (the ones you see here were just the ones I have yet to get rid out of shear forgetfulness(I have removed them by now)) as a means of solving this problem. Granted I did do this far into the game so that may have something to do with it, but still it didn't fix the problem. I also haven't uninstalled any mods throughout this entire play through except for one. That one being Navmesh Fixes and Improvements which I thought was that cause for my issues. But I only uninstalled it late into my game and the reason it did was because I was reading through the comments section of that mod and one of the first comments was a bug report about someone having issues with Orris(one of the npc's I was having issues with) not being able to go through the gate. They found that after uninstalling the mod the issue was resolved for them so I tried it as well, with no luck with my issue. Now granted I didn't do the clean save method to uninstall it, but that is because I rarely uninstall mods in my playthroughs knowing the risks that causes to my save files (I lost a skyrim SE save file last year do to uninstalling a script heavy mod and trying to solve the problem by simply removing the scripts with a save cleaner. Short version; it only caused my save to be unload-able). Also when I was looking through the mod in fnvedit, trying to undo any edits I may have made to my merge patch to insure I could remove it with all of it's changes removed, I found that it only changed navmeshes and never added any of its own. Granted I could be wrong about this seeing as how I had to look through several navmesh entries, but I'm farely certain it only changes stuff and doesn't add new stuff. So I'm not sure if doing the clean save method would help solve the problem, but I will git it a shot given that It was only a little while ago when I uninstalled it. Onto the compatibility patch topic, I do in fact ensure I grab all the necessary compatibility patches for all the mods I use, including unofficial ones(provided there as up to date with one or both of the mods their trying to solve conflicts for). And while you mentioned the issue of merging compatibility patches not being able to make the necessary changes to their mods, and I was aware of this possibility before even starting my playthrough. So before starting the whole thing I checked each of the merges to see if everything was correctly handled, and found that everything did transfer over correctly, minus the navmeshes info map because they all used the same name. Now granted I did try to resolve the issue by trying to add new entries that had the similar data, which might have not been the best method of getting around that so I may trying removing those new referrences and seeing if that fixes the problem (obviously making a backup esp just incase it either doesn't or makes the problem worse). And for your last point, while you may be right point thinking that 3DNPC_FNV and CSR could be causes as they effect npc's, these mods only add new stuff to the game and effect none of the npc's I listed above. Plus I've used both the 3DNPC mod and the CSR plugin (which came included with Rob-co certified) most recent version in past playthroughs and didn't have these issues so it doesn't really add up why they would all of a sudden start causing problems (in fact very few of the mods listed are new mods to me). Even the conflict issue between "RobCo Certified" and/or "JIP CC&C" doens't add up as logically that would only affect my companions, which all of the npc's listed above are not.

 

I hope that none of this comes across as me being rude or something like that (as I feel like I come across very annoyed while writing this). I just really want to get this issue resolved, because there are only so much that console commands and the groovatron's move npc's function can possibly fix. I myself have been modding my games since I bought Fallout 3 GOTY in 2013 and have learned a lot since then so I'm glad to be speaking to someone who seems to know a lot about modding and can possibly help me with my issues.

[Brandonwigwam]

So it tried out one of my solutions (removing the added references to the navmesh map info and it seems to have solved the problem. I went and loaded all the saves that had these characters acting wierd, and all of them Sunny Smiles, Vulpes Inculta, Orris, and the drunks who bother you during the birds of a feather quest, all worked as they normally did. It's amazing how much one simple change that two new references that shouldn't be there can change the whole game like that. I have no idea why adding two new references to the navigational mesh map info can cause the bugs I saw, but appearently they do, so new lesson to add to the pile. Don't add new stuff to that section.

[dubiousintent]

Congrats on resolving a perplexing (and apparently rare) problem! (And, "no" you weren't rude. You just logically explored and discarded a number of unsuccessful suggestions to potential causes. It can be frustrating, but is still necessary. We can only proceed on how a problem is described to us and the information provided. That can be incredibly hard to convey without turning a "post" into a "book". Which is why my replies tend to be "verbose".)

 

I just checked the comments on "Navmesh Fixes and Improvements" and found a recent one (07 Apr 2019) similarly reporting a problem with Orris. The author wasn't able to duplicate, so I'm sure they would appreciate learning what you discovered. (Wild Edits can creep in on anyone.)

 

[Edit:] In attempting to write up what you did, I realized that it is not clear which "Navmesh Map Info" record group you deleted. Each plugin that affects that record group has it's own entry under that plugin in FNVEdit. My impression is that you had already removed the "Navmesh Fixes and Improvements" plugin, so unless you were removing it from a "Merged Patch" file, it would have to be under each plugin; or you reloaded that plugin and worked on it's Map. Then you would load each plugin separately into the GECK and resave so it rebuilds the Map for each. Clarify for those of us who haven't done this operation before, please?

 

-Dubious-

[DeLisle9mm]

How were you able to fix this? Because I'm having the same exact problem, but in TTW and only some NPCs are walking about. Most egregiously, Lucas Simms refuses to move after I give him the Fusion Pulse Charge.

I can't find any posts other than this that'd help me. It's a long shot, but maybe what you did would work for me too.

[Brandonwigwam]

Do you have a FNV edit merged patch or something like that?

[DeLisle9mm]

Not that I know of