Media Coverage of Iraq Casulaties

[Zmid]

The body count in Iraq does matter, it matters a whole hell of a lot. It matters because we should never have gone there in the first place. We went for WMD, not to liberate the people of Iraq. Guess what (surprise) no WMD. Nothing.

Yep. The quotes I have posted in my sig are easily verifiable. Here is the net version of the British government document I took the first quote from and the quote from David Kay can be obtained via just about everywhere.

[Akrid]

Maybe when I said, "if we don't kill there someone else will" it was a bit hot headed, but it's one of those things I find unfortunate but true. Sadams not torturing people but we are bombing, we do it in a couple of days and Sadam does it over years but it all adds up the same. Now we are not waging the war in Iraq, you see we wanted the end to major combat long ago, but uprisings, and American hating Iraqi's keep attacking. I don't see it as a new Vietnam, but I do see it as the exact same thing Israel and Palestine have going on.

My stand point; I don't blame the Iraqi's for being mad, I would be mad if my family was blown to hell by Canada, and I'd probably go about picking off Canadians, because I'm human, and that’s what humans do, kill each other. War is forever and so are body counts. If there ever is an end to war in general then I'm sure it's because everybody's dead.

 

As for the Middle East, much of the conflict that we see today is the result of Western intervention in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Colonial politics created the morass that exists today...

 

Mojlnir, The Middle East gave birth to many groups of people that lead to the creation of entire regions. You don't argue that human life started somewhere around North Africa and migrated north to the Middle East do you? If you look at history I am sure blood shed dates back as far as prostitution. Yes the British and Spanish did start a lot of unbalance, but there has been just as much chaos in other parts of the world before and after. Euro wars never lead to a western middle east did they?

 

Oh, by the way the country is spelled Haiti...

 

Good eye, you got me there, I wont argue that.

 

Also, I think its absurd that you call an illegal invasion resulting in tens of thousand of needless deaths an "effort for peace".

 

I would say any invasion is going to be unwanted and abrupt. Iraq is not the innocent under dog. We started the war to get rid of Sadam, something I thought should be done long before 9/11 or the idea of Weapons of mass Destruction ever came along. The war started for a good reason, it was a just invasion. Even if you don't agree, oh well it happened, we can't just pull out now and leave them to become a chaotic hell hole, we are trying to balance it out, there pissed, we are trying, and everything is messed up. So what do you suggest? What is the sane, calm, Gandhi approach that solves all problems, please tell, because I guess my blood thirsty, murderous state of mind can’t think in such a utopian way.

 

 

this is OT, sorry

 

How so? This all deals with the question of the body count, the integrity of Bush right?

[Shakkara]

Some very very interesting stuff on this matter on German ARD tv on 23.00 to 23.45 hours local time this evening. I'll try to get some Germans to record this and send me the tape.

[cactoblasta]

It would have been much cheaper and equally effective at getting rid of Saddam to lift the sanctions completely, use corporate America to take over the larger Iraqi companies, use the World Bank and the IMF to crush their small businesses and banks, and then buy up what's left. Within a matter of a few years Saddam would be at the mercy of the West without any bloodshed. And the media could perform their age-old role of making all news good news.

 

It worked in Africa, Asia and to a certain extent South America - why wouldn't it work in Iraq?

[Ancalagon]

The sad part is, he makes a very good point.

 

<_<

[Peregrine]

Nah, the real simple method would've been to simply nuke them into a glass crater. No risk for us, and any illegal weapons they might have had are safely gone. And as an extra bonus, who's going to even think about attacking us when they know the price will be a few million of their innocent civilians?

[ctogher]

who's going to even think about attacking us when they know the price will be a few million of their innocent civilians?

:o Ouch! A little callous perhaps. Not to go off topic completely here but a vast majority of the world's problems stem from politics and politicians. For some reason we continue to live like sheep and accept that 'those in the know' have a better understanding of the delicacy of the situation than we ever could. <_< Apparently...

 

For some strange reason the guy who is spouting the rabble rousing rhetoric is almost never the one in the front lines getting shot/blown up. Always remember this.

 

Back on topic, freely admitting that my opinion is no basis for proof, the time honoured role of the "free" press has been ousted in favour of sales. Death sells because of the public's morbid fascination with it. That's it. If they could sort out the legal wrangles, (or rather I should say when), we would soon have murders, stalkings etc.. in "reality" shows for the viewing public to feed on. :help:

 

I personally feel that there should be no live coverage. It cheapens the family's needless sacrafice. Speaking as an ex-soldier I am well aware of the impact such death has. Being offered up as a sacrafice on the alter of "good journalism" is a studied insult. But then, they will only show what we want to see... :wacko:

[Shakkara]

Nah, the real simple method would've been to simply nuke them into a glass crater. No risk for us, and any illegal weapons they might have had are safely gone. And as an extra bonus, who's going to even think about attacking us when they know the price will be a few million of their innocent civilians?

At least they would be better of then they are now, living as slaves of the US. :angry2:

[cactoblasta]

I don't know. At least slaves can dream of freedom. The best glass can hope for is that it can one day hold something worth drinking.

[Shakkara]

I don't know. At least slaves can dream of freedom. The best glass can hope for is that it can one day hold something worth drinking.

^_^

 

It's unlikely that humans themselves would turn into glass, good I've been to a glass museum in Germany last week so I can explain.

 

Glass is composed of 60-80% Silica (SiO2), and 18-22% Sodium Carbonate (Na2CO3), and about 10% Lime (CaCO3). Sodium Carbonate is added to reduce the melting point of the Silica (normally about 2000 degrees), and lime is added to stop it being dissolved in water. Heating these ingredients together results in a molten mix of Calcium Silicate (CaSiO3) and Sodium Silicate (Na2SiO3). As you can see there is no Carbon in that any longer (combusted into CO2, or CO in case of insufficient Oxygen).

 

Besides water, the human body consists of the following:

Carbon (18%)

Nitrogen (3%)

Calcium (1.5%)

Phosphorus (1.0%)

Potassium (0.35%)

Sulfur (0.25%)

Sodium (0.15%)

Magnesium (0.05%)

 

Of that only the Calcium and Sodium would be used in the glass molecules. While the other components can be added to give the glass a nice color, it's far more likely they will be either vaporized or combusted completely, in which case they will eventually be useful as plant food.

 

That concludes the lesson.