Aree Orcs a type of elf?

[luzburg]

Orcs are not half elves though. You can argue that Bretons simply have a bit of elven ancestry and are simply humans otherwise sure. Saying Orcs are not elves would mean you have to stop calling the Dunmer and Falmer elves as well. Its like Aldmeri racism lol.

[IsharaMeradin]

Orcs are not half elves though. You can argue that Bretons simply have a bit of elven ancestry and are simply humans otherwise sure. Saying Orcs are not elves would mean you have to stop calling the Dunmer and Falmer elves as well. Its like Aldmeri racism lol.

I never said that Orcs weren't elves in the TES lore.

I said that they weren't elves in other fantasy game lores due to lack of definition.

 

And since the poll didn't indicate what lore specifically was meant I had to refrain from voting :P

[SFBryan18]

First, I don't know what the lore says about how much elf a Breton has.

 

All I was saying is that if an entire race is "half" of something, elf, human, or whatever, that half speaks for the entire race so everyone in the race is half. Now, trying to get technical about dominant genes and whatever is just splitting hairs. Are they 55% human? Are they 70% elf? It doesn't matter. What matters is if an entire race is half, that speaks for everyone in that race.

 

Of course there is another type of half breed. I think you need to remember that words always have more than one meaning. Maybe there is a difference between the child who is half Nord half Altmer, and a child who is a Breton half elf, but they both use the definition that half of their genes (or something close to half) are elven.

 

Besides, if you really want to argue genetics, then how can you prove that their Elven genes aren't the dominant genes? Pointy ears are not the only trait of an elf. Bretons are very magical, and I think that counts for something.

 

My main point is that you tried to argue that the Breton bread their elven half out, but you had no proof. Perhaps they did, and perhaps they didn't. I just hate when people make stuff up and claim it to be fact.

[StormKat33]

Of course, I'm someone who questioned a 'half-elf' mod, since Breton are half-elf ; ) ((and I think they're my favourite race))

Breton's are half elf? How do you get that? They are the shortest race, have no similar features to elves at all.

 

Taking a leaf from StormKat33: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Breton

 

Bretons are the human descendants who hail from the province of High Rock. According to the Third Pocket Guide to the Empire, they have descended from the people of Nede and Aldmer. The Aldmer thought of making a superior race with their own "Elder", or "Superior", blood, by mating with other races. The Bretons are sometimes called "Manmeri" because of this.

 

I've already read that topic last month. Thanks.

 

Well imagine this SFBryan18 and IsharaMeradin. I have a very good friend of mine who can explain this if he was still living here in Louisiana.

 

He explains to me since he's part Native American, Scottish, and Nordic of some nature, (he's attending medical school and is already about to graduate this year) explains to me that whenever you are a mix of something, you end up acquiring one of your ancestors genes. He ended up acquiring his Native American features because of his mother's side, although his mother has the appearance of a white person. My close friend has also the physical features as well. He has other national colors mixed in with his skin.

 

He also attains the eyebrows of a Scottish, body of that of a Native American, his head region a Norwegian, and eyes of a Romanian and has an attitude of a possible extinct race of the Tuatha de Danaan(peoples of the Goddess Danu.) Here's a link if you all are wanting to know more about them. Tuatha de Danaan It is this way because IsharaMeradin is right on her Mathematical part and the physical dominance is passed down to their grandchildren like that of cats.

 

That's how reality goes and if you want, me or Ishara can pull up some medical links to verify proof.

 

What's so crazy and cool is that I am a damn near 100% white guy with those strong traits but on my mothers side my grandmother has Chinese features although she has a strong blood of the Irish and Native American although I am also mixed with Scots-Irish. Now my son who is 5 years old is half-Korean, he looks a combination between me and my wife. He's going to have a stronger Asian appearance when he gets older and will attain the Native American features although he is half South Korean.

 

SFBryan, you're right that this does not matter but it does matter because of the OP's topic that was posted.

[Aliera Caine]

Back to the point of Orcs as a type of elf: they were once the elves who followed Trinimac, the powerful Aldmeri hero-ancestor spirit. After an altercation with Boethiah over the diaspora of Chimer, Trinimac (on the losing end) was transformed into Malacath, a daedric spirit. His followers were also transformed into orcs or Orsimer, meaning "Pariah Folk." So apparently, the orcs were originally part of the Aldmeri changed by unfortunate circumstance and became despised by other elves as their blood had been fouled by a Daedra.

[IsharaMeradin]

My main point is that you tried to argue that the Breton bread their elven half out, but you had no proof. Perhaps they did, and perhaps they didn't. I just hate when people make stuff up and claim it to be fact.

If that is what you gathered then you were mistaken. I never said they bred out any of their elven genetics, I said that you couldn't consider any individual Breton as half-elf. Their race is a mix yes, but no where does it say in the earlier linked TES lore that they are half-elves. It calls them a hybrid race, which means anything from 1% of elf & 99% of human to 99% of elf & 1% of human.

 

I did say that they didn't appear to be half-elf but that doesn't indicate a lack of genetic material. It just means that there isn't any visual claim to support a half-elf theory.

 

This is the last I'm saying on this matter. Its strayed far enough from the original topic of whether or not Orcs are a type of elf.

 

 

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your word usage reminds me of the pet goat I had as a kid.

 

My brother wanted to get milk from her. My dad said she needed bred first. My brother gave her all the bread he could find. It didn't work. :P

[Enatiomorph]

They dont have (many) elven features because Aldmeri took Nedic woman, and the woman carry the dominant genes and traits in ES. Edited September 28, 2012 by Enatiomorph

[Carmelpoptart]

I worry about those 5 people that voted "no"

[WatchMeGoing]

I think Orcs are no elves. Not anymore. Not since they became Orcs.

 

Dogs aren't wolves, even if they used to be and still clearly show resemblance.

 

Besides, if Orcs were elves, why doesn't Wuuthrad do extra damge to them? I find it highly unlikely that this was done on accident, since there are only a handful of races. (I base this statement on the fact that I've seen a mod that "fixes" this "issue", I haven't actually tested this for myself.)

[CasperTheLich]

i think of orcs in tes lore as ex-elves. you asked if they are elves; not if they were. so i voted no. when the chimmer (i can't even remember if that's how it's spelled) changed into to dunmer they were known as dunmer, they are no longer refered to as chimmer.

they did stay elves though.

 

and bretons are humans who have a high concentration of altmer blood, not sure if that counts as half-elf or not.

 

 

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Besides, if Orcs were elves, why doesn't Wuuthrad do extra damge to them? I find it highly unlikely that this was done on accident, since there are only a handful of races.

 

if the elf killing battleaxe says they're not elves who are we to argue?

Edited October 28, 2012 by Invisible Man