sajuukkhar9000 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Good god, you people are dense. About the collecting blood quest: Nowhere does it say that you're collecting elven blood. You're collecting blood that is related to the Dwemer. Yes, Orsimer are related to the dwemer because they used to be elves before the change, that does not mean they still are elves.So by that logic..... Dunmer aren't Elves also because they were changed? The change the Orsimer underwent was a physical one, much like the Dunmer's change from alter into the dark skin/red eye people they are today. And indeed, checking Septimus's dialog in the creation kit further proves you are wrong. "Extraordinary. I see it now.""The sealing structure interlocks in the tiniest fractals.""Dwemer blood can loose the hooks, but none alive remain to bear it.""A panoply of their brethren could gather to form a facsimile. A trick. Something they didn't anticipate, no, not even them""The blood of Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, Falmer, and Orsimer. The elves still living provide the key.""Bear you hence this extractor. It will drink the fresh blood of elves. Come when its set is complete." Edited October 29, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchMeGoing Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) @sajuukkhar9000Really, you're gonna quote an NPC that went nuts because of the elder scrolls? This is the last thing I'll say on the subject: Common belief is not always fact. Edited October 29, 2012 by WatchMeGoing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 @sajuukkhar9000Really, you're gonna quote an NPC that went nuts because of the elder scrolls? This is the last thing I'll say on the subject: Common belief is not always fact.And you have provided zero evidence that common belief is wrong in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefalkonmj Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I actually didn't realize Orcs were a type of elf until I read this thread :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliera Caine Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Just because the Pariah folk have a little bit of Daedra in the blood (due to Trinimac's transformation), doesn't mean you can exclude them during the holidays. They are still family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzburg Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 @sajuukkhar9000Really, you're gonna quote an NPC that went nuts because of the elder scrolls? This is the last thing I'll say on the subject: Common belief is not always fact. No, but in this case it is. You seem like one of those people who think that something that is widely held as truth is never right lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperTheLich Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 in dunmer the change was an internal one. it came from within them (so says azura). the orsimer were tainted by a daedra, it was more than a simple surface change. it was more than simply a physical alteration. i'm not awake enough for this arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliera Caine Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Regarding the Septimus theory of deriving Dwemer blood by combining the other mer races into a sort of Aldmer concoction, does anyone else think he was just really lucky? Perhaps it was deemed enough of a sampling, but let's face it, there were some holes in the theory. Orsimer blood had been changed by a bit of Daedra, and Snow Elf blood had been poisoned for centuries, making them less than humanoid (white souls). Then there are the two elf races left out of the sampling altogether: The Maomer (Sea Elves from Pyandonea) and the Left Handed Elves (wiped out to extinction on the Redguards' homeland, Yokuda). Ah, well, seems like Bethesda used what they had on hand. Orsimer blood must remain overwhelmingly Aldmer if the Septimus theory was to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Regarding the Septimus theory of deriving Dwemer blood by combining the other mer races into a sort of Aldmer concoction, does anyone else think he was just really lucky? Perhaps it was deemed enough of a sampling, but let's face it, there were some holes in the theory. Orsimer blood had been changed by a bit of Daedra, and Snow Elf blood had been poisoned for centuries, making them less than humanoid (white souls). Then there are the two elf races left out of the sampling altogether: The Maomer (Sea Elves from Pyandonea) and the Left Handed Elves (wiped out to extinction on the Redguards' homeland, Yokuda). Ah, well, seems like Bethesda used what they had on hand. Orsimer blood must remain overwhelmingly Aldmer if the Septimus theory was to work.Flamer having white souls is a gamplay mechanic due to the Flamer being classified as creatures in the game engine. Dremora are a entirely different species altogether and they are classified by the game as being exactly the same as every other generic NPC in the game., Edited October 29, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperTheLich Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Regarding the Septimus theory of deriving Dwemer blood by combining the other mer races into a sort of Aldmer concoction, does anyone else think he was just really lucky? Perhaps it was deemed enough of a sampling, but let's face it, there were some holes in the theory. Orsimer blood had been changed by a bit of Daedra, and Snow Elf blood had been poisoned for centuries, making them less than humanoid (white souls). Then there are the two elf races left out of the sampling altogether: The Maomer (Sea Elves from Pyandonea) and the Left Handed Elves (wiped out to extinction on the Redguards' homeland, Yokuda). Ah, well, seems like Bethesda used what they had on hand. Orsimer blood must remain overwhelmingly Aldmer if the Septimus theory was to work. i have no idea anymore. after all is said and done are orsimer truely elven anymore... at first i though not, but i just don't know after all this. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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