MidbossVyers Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Does it make sense for the later Dark Brotherhood quests to happen if you already won the Civil War in favor of the Stormcloaks? Would the Emperor really be stupid enough to dock his ship in a harbor of a now "foreign" land? Conversely, if you do the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" quest and become friends with Commander Maro (he even attends your wedding), does it make sense to ally yourself with the Stormcloaks, enemies of the Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFBryan18 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 No. This is why I always play them side by side. Originally, I would kill the Emperor and then take Solitude, but on my last playthrough, I took Solitude and then killed the Emperor right after. I role played that the Empire was too overconfident to believe the Stormcloaks were a threat to Solitude, and since the Dragonborn pretty much gave the order on when to attack, he decided to give that order when he found out where the Emperor was. In the mass confusion of the battle, the Emperors ship was left vulnerable and the Dragonborn exploited this. He probably caught the ship right before they were about to set sail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RighthandofSithis Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Does it make sense for the later Dark Brotherhood quests to happen if you already won the Civil War in favor of the Stormcloaks? Would the Emperor really be stupid enough to dock his ship in a harbor of a now "foreign" land? Conversely, if you do the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" quest and become friends with Commander Maro (he even attends your wedding), does it make sense to ally yourself with the Stormcloaks, enemies of the Empire? Yes, I could imagine he would travel to Skyrim. In fact, it would hasten its importance. If Skyrim became independent, hit would highlight the need for a diplomacy. Its exactly the same with the game 'Redguard' (set during Tiber Septim's time), the player (Cyrus) incited a revolution, and the Emperor was forced to negotiate a treaty with them personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 What about the flip side? If you join the Stormcloaks, are you canonically obligated to side with the Dark Brotherhood, rather than the Imperial Penitus Oculatus, when given the choice (given that you didn't just skip the Innocence Lost quest)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RighthandofSithis Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 What about the flip side? If you join the Stormcloaks, are you canonically obligated to side with the Dark Brotherhood, rather than the Imperial Penitus Oculatus, when given the choice (given that you didn't just skip the Innocence Lost quest)? You can't join the Penitus Oculatus anyway. If you mean destroying the Brotherhood, I'd say no. Both sides would feel the same about the Brotherhood. Some nobles would need them, while some soldiers would want them destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 You can't join the Penitus Oculatus, but I've heard that Commander Maro becomes your friend up to the point where he attends your wedding. It then feels kinda weird to join a war to drive him and his associates out of the province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus44 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't see the assassination of the Emporer by the PC while a member of the Dark Brotherhood having anything to do with the Stormcloaks, the Imperials or the Civil War. Being an assassin is just business and once a contract is made and assigned either you do the job or you don't. Nothing personal, its just business. Besides, the contract is made by a member of the Imperial Council for reasons other than the Civil War or what side the PC has taken. As for the Emporer being in Skyrim before, during or after the Civil War, pick any reason you like - meeting with the Thalmor, negotiating with Ulfric, attending his cousin's funeral, has a mistress (Elisif is a widow and available); really no particular reason matters or has any effect on the game, its simply enough that he is there and available to be assassinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aline Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Although there was one thing I always wondered. Why is there no impact after the Emperor is killed (or not killed) ? If he was indeed assassinated wouldn't there be rather strong repercussions on the whole civil war? Some sign other than the occassional guard comment. Why wouldn't it have an impact on the civil war questiline? It would be a great coup for the Stormcloaks. "We killed your king, so we win" or something like that. Or set off new questlines for example, maybe new treaties with the Thalmor (or boot them out, or not), kick out straggler Imperialists etc. etc. Is Ulfric's spy network (not to mention the Empire's hush hush crew being incapable) so weak it wouldn't receive news like that? (not like every guard talks about it) Why is the General more important than the Emperor? Or, maybe an alternative depending on who you are aligned with, ie assassinate Ulfric instead of the Emperor. And, if you've killed the Emperor in the DB questline, but haven't done civil war yet, what impact would that have on the truce meeting with the Dragonborn (to deal with dragons instead of civil conflict)? Well ok, I guess it was more than one thing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkhAscendant Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 That's a lot of very relevant things there meow Aline :P Honestly assassinating the Emporer is very cool, but Beth handled it very poorly. One might even say half-assedly. It's not necessarily that much worse than the rest of the game about things not having any actual impact, but it's more noticeable since it's such a big thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aline Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Well, if you take into account that the Oblivion Crisis also starts with an Emperor's assassination, I can imagine they wouldn't want to rehash that (finding the heir, etc). But surely there are alternative scenarios :) and yes, there are more questions and good points by the other posters as well Perhaps I've thought too much about it, but as you said, it's more noticeable since it's a big thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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