Frustrating random load screen timeout/freeze

[jdkzombie]

System specs

 

Ryzen 1800x OC to 4.0Ghz at 1.39v

RX480 8Gb slight Oc to 2030Mhz from 2000.

GDDR4 2800Mhz RAM 16Gb

VR 10k HDD

EVGA Supernova 1000w PSU gold standard

 

Alright so here's the skinny. I came back to Fallout 4 after another hiatus and did the usual checking of mods and updating, checking with Wyre Bash, cleaning with FO4edit, and Wrye shows green saves so I don't suspect a mod of causing my issue yet.

 

Occasionally when traveling through doors, where you get the black loading screen with the small green emblem in the bottom right that is animated, sometimes it will load perfectly, others it freezes and stops but will load eventually after a minute, and other times it will freeze entirely and task manager shows 30% ram usage, 7% cpu, and it's no longer responding and I have to kill the program.

 

I use load accelerator. In game fps limited via LA config doc to 60 when not in loading state, and 350 when in loading state.

 

I am also using Fallout 4 Performance Monitor, in hopes to see what the hell is going on.

 

Memory shows average of 2988Mb being used with max 3066Mb.

VRAM shows average of 2556Mb and max is 5127Mb.

Disk I/O shows 49Mb/s and max is 228Mb/s.

CPU average is 14% and max is 24%.

GPU average is 54% and max says 100%, I wonder if my card needs upgraded, so I ordered a Vega 56 with 64 BIOS installed.

GPU Temp average is 54*C and max is 68*C. CPU temp avg is 40*C and max was 46*C liquid cooled single radiator with push/pull fans.

Thread count average is 63 and max is 71.

 

I use Vortex, and have no idea how to pull my load order from it. If you guys know how, please tell me and I'll snag the load order from it.

[jdkzombie]

Found a solution, copied load order from LOOT.

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 SettlementKeywords.esm
9 9 ArmorKeywords.esm
10 a JonsMod.esm
11 b Homemaker.esm
12 c HUDFramework.esm
13 d TrueStormsFO4.esm
14 e Robot Home Defence.esm
15 f OVT.esp
16 10 ehtyeci_MPX.esp
17 11 1CAS_serviceRifle.esp
18 12 NewerMind43 Nano Suit.esp
19 13 Reload Sounds.esp
20 14 BetterModDescriptions.esp
21 15 No Borders.esp
22 16 BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp
23 17 ReGrowth Overhaul 10.esp
24 18 DPFarHarborFree_NORMAL_WEATHER.esp
25 19 NoraSpouse.esp
26 1a BTInteriors_Project.esp
27 1b Armorsmith Extended.esp
28 1c BetterItemSorting.esp
29 1d Fusion Gun.esp
30 1e LegendaryModification.esp
31 1f Legendary Modifier Rebalance Recommended.esp
32 20 BostonDTPrevis.esp
33 21 The Deadly Commonwealth Expansion.esp
34 22 FQ_NoMoreLODFlicker.esp
35 23 RRTV_HomesAndBunkers_Coastal.esp
36 24 The Lost Vault.esp
37 25 UniqueUniques.esp
38 26 officersRevolver.esp
39 27 Mercenary.esp
40 28 sw500.esp
41 29 Modern Firearms.esp
42 2a MisriahArmory.esp
43 2b Ak5C.esp
44 2c Weaponsmith Extended.esp
45 2d G36Complex.esp
46 2e LString_Bow.esp
47 2f AndStayBackRedux.esp
48 30 Respawnable Legendary Bosses.esp
49 31 WattzLaserGun.esp
50 32 Hard Legendary Giant Creatures.esp
51 33 Custom1911Mod.esp
52 34 LimaOutpost.esp
53 35 Heavy BoS.esp
54 36 RU556.esp
55 37 AK74M.esp
56 38 HuntingShotgun.esp
57 39 AtomicRadio.esp
58 3a AranLaserCarbine.esp
59 3b AQUILA.esp
60 3c Tactical Flashlights.esp
61 3d KrissVector.esp
62 3e BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp
63 3f CleanSettlement.esp
64 40 Unnecessary Vault Debris Removed.esp
65 41 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
66 42 SlowTime.esp
67 43 DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp
68 44 Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp
69 45 Brotherhood of Steel Paints.esp
70 46 RestaurantsGiveFood_Vanilla.esp
71 47 RainofBrassPetals.esp
72 48 Locksmith.esp
73 49 More Power Armour Mods.esp
74 4a UniquePlayer.esp
75 4b WaterAnywhere.esp
76 4c MiscHairstyle.esp
77 4d IMPROVEDTEX.esp
78 4e The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
79 4f Craftable Armor Size.esp
80 50 P.G.Overhaul.esp
81 51 VIS - Far Harbor comp patch.esp
82 52 SettleObjExpandPack.esp
83 53 TurretStands.esp
84 54 AS_CraftableInstituteStations.esp
85 55 Legendary Modifier Rebalance Recommended - Far Harbor.esp
86 56 No Seeker Boulders.esp
87 57 PD_VisualReload.esp
88 58 ProperStoreAnimation.esp
89 59 No More Fake Puddles - Nuka World 1-0.esp
90 5a WeaponDisplays.esp
91 5b NanoSuit.esp
92 5c AdvSettleTurretSet.esp
93 5d VATST_BulletFlyAdd_x3Faster.esp
94 5e VATST_BulletFly.esp
95 5f VATST_Combat_1stP_RealTime.esp
96 60 VATST_CombatAdd_CrippleAndReverseOff.esp
97 61 VATST_CritHitBar_3.esp
98 62 VATST_Distance_7500.esp
99 63 VATST_HitChance_1_5.esp
100 64 VATST_KCCAdd_KillCamAndCriticalOff.esp
101 65 VATST_Stranger_Vanilla_Faster.esp
102 66 VATST_Targeting_SlowMo.esp
103 67 Settlement_Markers.esp
104 68 ArmorTables.esp
105 69 AA Lots More Settlers and Enemies.esp
106 6a SettlementMenuManager.esp
107 6b RestaurantsGiveFood_ProperStoreAnimation.esp
108 6c Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp
109 6d PD_LowerWeapon.esp
110 6e BashKnockdown100.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
111 6f Nuka World Bottle Fix.esp
112 70 Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
113 71 CTHHostileNPCsAndWeaponDrawn-NSL.esp
114 72 Krebs.esp
115 73 SurvivalOptions.esp
116 74 Ballistic Weave.esp
117 75 PersonalSleepingBag.esp
118 76 MF-Attachments.esp
119 77 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
120 78 Marmo1233 - Immersive Settlers.esp
121 79 PulseRifle.esp
122 7a ReducedEnergyRecoil.esp
123 7b Skip DIMA memories.esp
124 7c TrenchGun.esp
125 7d 300%Shadows.esp
126 7e TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
127 7f TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
128 80 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
129 81 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp
130 82 pipboyspotlight.esp
131 83 Pink100%Shadows.esp
132 84 AA Better Companions - No Conflicts.esp
133 85 AdvBubbleTurretSet-RealNP.esp
134 86 Better Vendor Stalls.esp
135 87 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power SKE.esp
136 88 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
137 89 Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects SKE.esp
138 8a M45A1.esp
139 8b SCAR-L.esp
140 8c DesertEagle50AE.esp
141 8d Prefabs.esp
142 8e Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp
143 8f Vault-Tec Power Armor by NewerMind43 & Captain-Ultima.esp
144 90 FF_Armors(female included).esp
145 91 Viper6610.esp
146 92 AK5C Shotgun Add-On.esp
147 93 HaxAUG.esp
148 94 P90.esp
149 95 MP-412.esp
150 96 Housekeeping.esp
151 97 USP Mod.esp
152 98 USP_Animation.esp
153 99 Factor.esp
154 9a Legendary Mod Additions.esp
155 9b ReGrowth - Settlement Lawn Mowing.esp
156 9c Regrowth - Glowing Sea RETURNS.esp
157 9d P90 Compact.esp
158 9e Search and Destroy.esp
159 9f P90NPC.esp
160 a0 Realistic_conversations.esp
161 a1 AdvancedSkeleton.esp
162 a2 Armorsmith Ext - Far Harbor comp patch.esp
163 a3 Grunts.esp
164 a4 SSentinel.esp
165 a5 LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
166 a6 LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
167 a7 FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
168 a8 FunctionalDisplays.esp
169 a9 FunctionalDisplays-AID-VIS-Weightless.esp
170 aa FunctionalDisplays-MISC-VIS-Weightless.esp
171 ab FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL-VIS-Weightless.esp
172 ac Bulldog_308_SRSS.esp
173 ad Crafting Mastery.esp
174 ae MP7.esp
175 af DOOMLK05.esp
176 b0 Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp
177 b1 9x39Project.esp
178 b2 9x39ProjectAWKCR.esp
179 b3 G36 add-ons.esp
180 b4 GatlingRifle.esp
181 b5 GatlingRifle-NoIdiotSavant.esp
182 b6 NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp
183 b7 extendedLightsWS.esp
184 b8 LegendaryModification Enhanced.esp
185 b9 Facials.esp
186 ba AK400.esp
187 bb ColtDeltaElite_Standalone.esp
188 bc InstitutePowerArmor.esp
189 bd HK_UMP.esp
190 be fo3friedghouls.esp
191 bf Modern Assassin.esp
192 c0 NV4.esp
193 c1 RU556Armouryprojectv3.esp
194 c2 battletech.esp
254 FE 1 CROSS_InstituteExpeditionarySuit.esp
195 c3 M16.esp
196 c4 GS Lever Action Shotgun.esp
197 c5 AndStayBack.esp
198 c6 Modern Armors.esp
199 c7 NIArms_HK416.esp
254 FE 2 Dank_FactorExpanded.esp
200 c8 Paintings Kinky.esp
201 c9 Python2.esp
202 ca WD_44.esp
203 cb WD_Pistol_Renimation_Pack.esp
204 cc GR123 West Tek Tactical Gloves.esp
205 cd Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
206 ce WeightlessAmmoFarHarbor.esp
207 cf walkers.esp

Edited August 15, 2019 by jdkzombie

[jdkzombie]

Thread's been looked at over 15 times and nobody has even a suggestion?

 

Bah. Must be as stumped as I am, this is ridiculous. It's so hard to reliably replicate that I'm not even sure it's a mod at this point as it hardly crashes any other way and it does it with any weapon and or armor equipped, follower or no follower, day or night, any weather.

[Di3sIrae]

Have you tried a new game?
Have you tried to disable load accelerator and run the game without such things, only capping the fps with ENB/AMD? ENB caps the fps as it should, AMD does not cap it very well (at least for me), and i get high fps when loading and absurd fps on the main menu, so i cap it with ENB.

Just in case, in enblocal:

[LIMITER]
EnableFPSLimit=true
FPSLimit=60.0

 

Also, if you use ENB, do you have ApplyStabilityPatch=true and set this ForceVideoMemorySize=true and VideoMemorySizeMb= to your computer? It is not even a question of hardware, engine can be buggy by itself and cause problems.
The less things you have running at the same time of the game, the better.
(have you heard about emptystandbylist ?)
(you could also look at what i think is good for Radeon settings here, second sticky)

About load order... it's difficult to say anything about it. Bunch of names i don't know what they are or what they do, how do they interact with the game or how they could conflict. If you are sure it is not software/hardware/engine problem, and think it is related to mods, then you must really try it on a new save first, same setup.
If the problem keeps occuring, then you know it is because of something you have, and a good way to test would be disabling esps and keep testing, but since it happens randomly, it could cost you a day and no success...

Are you sure you should be using all those VATST and FunctionalDisplays plugins?
Also, 3 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power, and AndStayBack and AndStayBackRedux... be sure you need all of these, if you don't have 2 mods that do the same thing, or anything that comes to yourt mind that could conflict, any mod that spawns things or have scripts to check player/NPC status or things like that...

[jdkzombie]

After I posted my load order and it was easier to read, I did some cleaning and took care of a lot of those issues already. The homemaker stuff, while the mod was on the latest version, it still had leftover files in the DATA folder for some reason. Probably from when I moved from NMM to Vortex.

 

The VATS was an attempt to curb the dreaded VATS freeze I used to have and thought altering VATS was the answer, when in fact it was my playing on survival which was killing me as the game would apply the hunger/thirst/tired effects in vats and it would freeze the game up, so I found a mod which alters that so any effects so that they are applied after VATS if they proc while VATS is active.

[Di3sIrae]

Yeah, taking a look again at everything is a good way to find issues. I left NMM for good a long time ago and switched to Mod Organizer, since it is a lot more easier to control what is running and what is not. Leftovers from old installs and stuff like that are a danger to the game. Hope you solved the issue?

[jdkzombie]

No idea. I just changed graphics cards to a Vega 64. Got a deal I couldn't beat.

 

I'll do some testing later. I wonder if with my Ryzen 1800x being the first gen Ryzen, I wonder if it's bottlenecking somewhere since GPU usage was all over the place. Looking at a Ryzen 9 3900x soon.