Is LOOT any good for Oblivion/FCOM

[zelazko]

LOOT does excellent job when it comes to Skyrim and SkyrimSE but how does it work for Oblivion? Can it handle FCOM load order and sort it correctly?

[Striker879]

Unfortunately if you wish to use any of the later versions of Wrye Bash you will need to use LOOT to sort your load order (support for BOSS was dropped from WB ... there was some discussion regarding it back in the WB mod comments either late last year or early this year).

 

My understanding is that the LOOT team has been incorporating BOSS's load order suggestions and bash tags but that work isn't entirely up to date (plus the BOSS masterlist isn't 100% up to date). Not sure if there would have been any updates that would require load order changes made to FCOM in recent years. If not then quite possibly the BOSS masterlist that has been already incorporated into LOOT may work, and thus a LOOT sort will have the order and bash tags needed.

 

If not then you can use the BOSS masterlist order and bash tags to manually set up load order in LOOT (does it support similar to BOSS's User Rules??) and manually add any bash tags that are missing via WB.

[Grogrokl]

I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Grogrokl

[Striker879]

BOSS won't run from within WB anymore so you'll need to have Lock Load Order turned off in WB.

 

Can't say for certain exactly how/if the BOSS bash tag suggestions are getting from BOSS to WB ... any of my more recent mods have had their bash tags added by me using WB, so after they have been added to the BOSS masterlist the appropriate tags already were in place.

[malablondi]

I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.

Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.

Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date.

[zelazko]

 

I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.

Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.

Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date.

 

There are patches for WAC and FCOM. https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46668

If I can retrieve somehow my load order I will post you working load order for FCOM and WAC.

 

Found it:

 

 

GameMode=Oblivion

Oblivion.esm=1

All Natural Base.esm=1

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm=1

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm=1

Cobl Main.esm=1

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm=1

Mart's Monster Mod.esm=1

Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm=1

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm=1

TamrielTravellers.esm=1

FCOM_Convergence.esm=1

FCOM_WAC.esm=1

Hemingweys Capes Improved.esm=1

Better Cities Resources.esm=1

Fundament.esm=1

SDR.esm=1

Oblivifall Master File.esm=1

SPTDiverseGuards-Resources.esm=1

Icon Overhaul.esp=0

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp=1

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp=0

DLCShiveringIsles.esp=1

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp=1

Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp=1

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp=1

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp=1

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp=1

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp=1

FCOM_Francescos.esp=0

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp=0

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp=1

All Natural.esp=1

All Natural - SI.esp=1

All Natural - MMM Patch.esp=0

Immersive Interiors.esp=1

Immersive Interiors - Bravil.esp=1

Immersive Interiors - Imperial City.esp=1

Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp=1

Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp=1

OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp=1

All Natural - Real Lights.esp=1

VipCxj_BulletCamera.esp=0

RealDaysAndMonths.esp=0

Oblivion Content Restoration Project.esp=1

DialogTweaks.esp=1

Elz - Improved UE.esp=0

Lazare Milvan Duel.esp=0

More Skooma Dealers.esp=0

NBB.esp=1

Oblivion Uncut.esp=1

Player Hunters Fame and Infamy - Normal.esp=1

pmRealTimeInteractions.esp=1

Camping.esp=1

RAEVWD Cities.esp=1

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp=1

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp=1

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SnowGusts.esp=0

Street Gangs.esp=0

Vows and Covenants.esp=1

Hunter's Hunting Trophies.esp=0

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Populated Prisons.esp=1

Immersive Travelers.esp=1

Choices and Consequences.esp=1

FormID Finder4.esp=1

kuerteeCleanUp.esp=1

MigMiscellanea.esp=1

MigNoDeath.esp=1

P1DlookHereYou.esp=1

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Dynamic Map.esp=1

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DLCHorseArmor.esp=1

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

DLCVileLair.esp=1

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

VileLair_MOBS.esp=0

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Mehrunes_MOBS.esp=0

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DLCSpellTomes.esp=1

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EmpressRobes.esp=0

BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp=0

Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp=1

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Immersive Weapons.esp=1

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TT-EquipableBeardsLEVELEDLIST.esp=1

Thieves Arsenal.esp=1

Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp=0

Extinguish the Lights.esp=1

Thieves Arsenal - Extinguish the Lights Patch.esp=0

kuerteeHorseCommands.esp=0

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp=1

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp=1

Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp=1

FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp=0

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp=1

FCOM_WarCry.esp=1

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp=1

ExplosivesOOO-FCOM.esp=0

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp=0

OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp=0

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp=0

OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp=0

OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp=0

Hemingweys Capes Improved No Tail Capes Patch.esp=0

Hemingweys Capes Improved Merchants.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM Boss Chest Cape Loot.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM OOO Cape Patch.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Enemies.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Legion Forester.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Regional City Guards.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM Show Amulets.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved IC Guards.esp=0

Hemingweys Capes for EDI.esp=0

Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Citizens Lite.esp=0

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp=0

OMOBS_SI.esp=0

Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp=1

FCOM_Convergence.esp=1

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp=0

FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp=0

FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp=0

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp=1

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp=0

FCOM_LessRats.esp=0

FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp=0

CurseOfHircine.esp=1

CoH Werewolves Mixed.esp=0

CoH 1st Person Anims.esp=1

Curse of Hircine - Werewolf Hunters.esp=1

CurseOfHircine - Symphony of Night.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp=0

Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp=0

Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp=1

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp=0

TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp=0

TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp=1

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TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp=0

ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp=1

ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp=0

ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp=0

FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp=0

FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp=0

FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp=0

FCOM_Archery.esp=0

FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp=0

FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp=0

FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp=0

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp=0

Fransfemale.esp=0

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp=0

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp=0

WAC - ItemLootFix4v1.0bMMMorFCOM.esp=1

WAC - WeaponReachMOBS.esp=0

WAC - NoSCWeapons.esp=0

WAC - WeaponNoScriptMOBS.esp=0

WAC - Weapon and Armor Tweak MOBS.esp=0

WAC.esp=1

WAC - OverSpawn.esp=1

WAC - OverSpawn4v1.0bFran.esp=1

WAC - OverSpawn4v1.0bOOO.esp=1

WAC - OverSpawn4v1.0bFCOM.esp=1

WAC - Dead Knights.esp=1

wac-yaguarodon.esp=1

WAC - Dead Knights Fix.esp=1

WAC - Birds&Insects.esp=1

WAC - Horses.esp=0

WAC - TCOS.esp=1

FCOM_WAC TCOS.esp=0

WAC - TCOSFix4v1.0b.esp=1

FCOM_WAC - Leveled List.esp=1

FCOM_More WAC.esp=0

WAC - Gladiator.esp=1

WAC - 8th Gate.esp=1

WAC - Magic.esp=1

WAC - Gargoyles Fix.esp=0

WAC - Cat Crash Fix.esp=0

WAC - Female Armor Refine -No Low Body.esp=0

WAC - HGEC Equipment Replacer.esp=0

WAC - Races RM-HGEC patch by Xtudo.esp=0

TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp=1

TamrielTransportationNetwork Vwalk.esp=0

BHC_Expanded.esp=0

Chorrol_Dungeon.esp=0

Cannibalism.esp=0

Dungeons of Tamriel.esp=0

Dungeons Of Tamriel - Bravil Dungeon.esp=0

Fighters Guild Quests.esp=1

Jail Break Escape Routes.esp=0

JQ-AssassinQuest.esp=0

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp=1

Kvatch Rebuilt - No More Burned Ground.esp=0

Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp=1

Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp=0

Locked Doors and Knocking v1.02.esp=0

M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp=1

Mages Guild Quests.esp=1

Minotaur Encampments.esp=0

Servant of the Dawn.esp=0

Shady Sam Enhanced.esp=0

Shady Sam Plus.esp=0

Shivering Isles Root System.esp=0

SkoomaRefiningAddictionEnhanced.esp=0

StopDarkBrotherhood.esp=0

Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp=1

The Dark Brotherhood Contracts.esp=0

TheReturnOfTheDarkBrotherhood.esp=0

Elder Council Plugin 1.1.esp=0

Valenwood Improved.esp=1

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp=0

Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp=1

Valenwood Improved Vampire Hunting Patch.esp=0

Worship in Cyrodiil v1.2.esp=0

za_bankmod.esp=1

Thieves Highway.esp=0

BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp=1

Immersive Interiors - Bruma Guild Reconstructed.esp=1

Knights.esp=0

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp=0

Knights Vwalk.esp=0

Oblivion DLC Delayers.esp=0

M.O.E. - Main Quest Delayer.esp=1

KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp=0

DaedraShrinesProddedWithAStick.esp=0

KOTNPokedWithAStick.esp=0

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp=1

FCOM_Knights.esp=0

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp=0

FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp=0

ElsweyrAnequina.esp=1

ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp=0

ElsweyrCityExtension.esp=1

ElsweyrCityExtension Vwalk.esp=0

Elsweyr plantations & co..esp=1

ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp=1

Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp=1

walkabout.esp=1

00SnowyRoadToBruma.esp=0

Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp=1

Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp=0

Oblivifall - Female Armors.esp=0

Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Vwalk.esp=0

Damarask.esp=1

Deadly_Lava.esp=0

Real Lava 1.3.esp=0

ApparatusIcons.esp=0

Banes Guilds UnitedOOO.esp=1

Banes Guilds United BrumaGuild patch.esp=0

Cliff_BetterLetters.esp=0

Cliff's Shacks Basements-Radiant AI.esp=0

HUD Status Bars.esp=1

DD_JailShackles.esp=0

Deadly Clutter_update.esp=0

DynamicFootPosition.esp=0

DynamicFootPosition_RHH_patch.esp=0

Elz - No Floating Weapon.esp=1

ExpandedGreetings.esp=0

FixContDisappearBug.esp=0

goblin_war_party.esp=0

Goblin Shamans Respawn.esp=0

Looting Mechanics Overhaul.esp=0

M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp=0

M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp=0

Nephs Unique Thievery.esp=1

pmPersuasionOverhaul.esp=1

kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp=0

SecretsoftheAyleidsClosure.esp=0

P1DseparatesPauldrons.esp=1

7lbsBedrolls-OBSE.esp=1

See You Sleep DLL.esp=1

See You Sleep DLL - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp=1

See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp=1

SPTDiverseGuards-Core.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Core Vwalk.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-ImpCity-Imperial.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Anvil-Human.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Bruma-Human.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Chorrol-Human.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Skingrad-Human.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Bravil-AllRaces.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Cheydinhal-AllRaces.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-InnsRoads-AllRaces.esp=0

SPTDiverseGuards-Leyawiin-AllRaces.esp=0

Stav_ImperialDragon.esp=0

SiC shippingInCyrodiil.esp=0

Jailed By Golden Saints.esp=0

tbskGuardsFeatures.esp=1

tbskGuardsFeatures OOO Patch.esp=0

ATakesAll.esp=1

Unarmored Skill for Everyone.esp=1

CoH Unarmored.esp=0

Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp=0

DD_RestrictedCityEntrance.esp=0

Elz - Realistic Gravity.esp=0

Elz - Difficulty Smoother.esp=0

Basic Primary Needs.esp=0

Basic Personal Hygiene.esp=0

Basic Physical Activities.esp=1

Duke Patricks - Basic Hypothermia.esp=0

CoH Hypothermia Patch.esp=0

Roughing It.esp=0

Ashes to Ashes.esp=0

StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp=1

StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp=0

Starx-OVB Patch.esp=0

M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp=1

SpreadingVampirism.esp=0

LithiansNatureOfTheBeastModBeta.esp=0

Unholy Darkness.esp=1

Broom.esp=0

BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp=0

M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp=0

M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp=0

M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp=0

M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp=0

MadCompanionshipSpells.esp=0

MCS extension.esp=0

Mysterious Bear's Epic Necromancy + EM.esp=1

RefScope.esp=0

SupremeMagicka.esp=1

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp=1

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp=0

SM_OOO.esp=0

SM_MMM.esp=0

SM_COBL.esp=0

SM_EnchantStaff.esp=1

SM_Scrolls.esp=0

AudaciousMagery.esp=1

RshAlchemy.esp=1

RshAlchemy - AVU.esp=0

RshAlchemyRecipes.esp=1

Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp=1

Dead at the Gallows.esp=0

Crime & Punishment Overhaul 1.1.esp=1

pmCrimeHandler.esp=1

pmCrimeHandlerLongerArrestDist.esp=0

pmSkoomaDeals.esp=0

MigLockpicking.esp=1

SDR_Mechanics.esp=1

M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp=1

sycHearNoEvil.esp=1

sycSHOUT.esp=1

DD_NPCArrest.esp=1

Ranokoas Undercover Overhaul TRN compatible.esp=0

TRN One of the Gang.esp=1

TRN One of the Gang SuspicionScript16sec.esp=0

Enhanced Grabbing.esp=1

kuerteeNPCsYield.esp=1

Bundlement.esp=1

JCN_AV Uncap.esp=1

OOO-Level_Slow.esp=0

Kaizits New Animations PC.esp=0

Kaizits New Animations NPC.esp=1

MUIA.esp=0

Glowing Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones 14-28 Days.esp=1

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp=1

[sR] Khats & Args.esp=0

ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp=1

ZUSIO-RatsInCrucible.esp=1

ZUSIO-MMM SI-patch.esp=0

ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp=0

Named Soulgems.esp=1

Ghost in a Bottle II.esp=1

bgMagicEV.esp=1

Banes Guilds United LAME patch.esp=0

Specialanims.esp=0

bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp=0

bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp=0

bgMagicItemSigil.esp=0

bgMagicEVStartspells.esp=0

bgMagicBonus.esp=1

bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp=0

bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp=1

SDR_Oblivion.esp=0

MiniMap.esp=1

CombatOmega.esp=0

UVIII.esp=1

CrimeModPatch.esp=0

Sensual Walks.esp=0

Sensual Walks SI.esp=0

Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp=0

All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp=0

WAC - NoMapMarker.esp=0

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp=1

OblivionReloaded.esp=1

OblivionReloadedArenaCombat.esp=0

===below plugins were not used considered for removal===

RealNPCSkoomaAddiction.esp=0

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp=0

WGTrooftop1.1.esp=0

WhiteGoldTowerThrone.esp=0

Grand Thief Guru.esp=0

Jadrax Illegal Skooma.esp=0

MCL_GreenBlueDress.esp=0

Cellars of Oblivion No keys needed.esp=0

Underworld Armor for NPCs.esp=0

Highwayman - Rob Anybody.esp=0

Underworld Armor for Vampires from Mods.esp=0

Pirates Outfits.esp=0

Maeva Scribonias Bookshop NO BookPlacing plus Castas Books plus Amalrics Books.esp=0

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by zelazko

[Striker879]

A question Zelazko ... which version of Kvatch Rebuilt are you using alongside MOE Main Quest Delayer, the recent version 3 or the older no longer available for download version?

[zelazko]

I used Kvatch Rebuilt-15412-3b6 "this was years ago mind you"

 

Latest Kvatch Rebuilt does not work with MOE Main Quest Delayer?

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/50198-kvatch-rebuilt/?p=49958522

Caretaker of Kvatch Rebuilt says something else. The only downside as I understand his post is that the pre-invasion city is unfinished/incomplete. Anyway MOE Main Quest Delayer will not let you go inside the city. The guard stops you and says the city is under quarantine.

Edited August 21, 2019 by zelazko

[Grogrokl]

 

I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.

Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.

Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date.

 

I just ran BOSS and a html page popped up with information about Bash Tags, uncleaned mods and other stuff. It warned that wac.esm was incompatible with other overhaul mods.

[Grogrokl]

BOSS won't run from within WB anymore so you'll need to have Lock Load Order turned off in WB.

 

Can't say for certain exactly how/if the BOSS bash tag suggestions are getting from BOSS to WB ... any of my more recent mods have had their bash tags added by me using WB, so after they have been added to the BOSS masterlist the appropriate tags already were in place.

You can still run BOSS from Wrye Bash but yeah it looks like it can't override the Lock Load Order settings. I don't see the reason with locking my load order anyway so no problem for me.