A New President for the United States

[tungol]

Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.

 

Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?

 

Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?

 

Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.

[Michlo]

Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.

 

Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?

 

Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?

 

Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.

 

You have no idea yet how Obama's administration is going to be. His platform was built on change so here's a thought - try a little optimism. There are plenty more decent people in the world besides the few here.

 

Cheers.

[herosinger]

Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.

 

Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?

 

Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?

 

Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.

Anarchy doesn't work any better than any other form of government.

[Landsknecht]

Yes, we must definitely watch our government. We must watch them as deer watch wolves.

 

Tell me, why is it that people think robbing and bullying their neighbors, and imprisoning or killing them if they resent it, it neighborly?

 

Both parties are enthusiastic bullies. You my friends here are not. You are decent people. So why do you support this kind of thing?

 

Should we support our government now? Absolutely not! No more than before! We should oppose it at all times without regard for which wing of the establishment is in control. We should show our love for each other by leaving each other alone. We should act like neighbors by treating each other with trust and respect. We should work to make the world a better place by leaving our neighbors free to pursue what makes them happy. We should do nothing but good to each other, instead of doing evil in the hopes that good might come.

 

You have no idea yet how Obama's administration is going to be. His platform was built on change so here's a thought - try a little optimism. There are plenty more decent people in the world besides the few here.

 

Cheers.

 

I was going to respond to tungol directly, but Michlo made the best comment with not knowing how the Obama administration will be, which is the reason I will give him a chance. Now, that does not mean that I will be any less critical of him than I was of Dubya and that does not mean we show let government do whatever they want. It is important to keep an eye on the government to hold those politicians we support responsible for the claims they made during the election, to criticize those we oppose on the issues, and to make sure that all official, elected and unelected, abide by the Constitution, especially after eight years of neocon rule (six of which were without opposition and the other two had complicit opposition)Fixing Dubya's mess is going to be an uphill battle, and although I am pessimistic of Obama, I must admit his first steps of this journey of 1,000 miles have been in the right place by lifting the ban on stem cell research.

 

I have to agree with tungol that both parties are corrupt, as the saying goes, "We have two political parties for one upper class."

[Thanodai]

Due to age, this is the first election I've ever voted in, and I pride having my first vote be for a black man.

This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't vote for a person, because of their color or creed. I think it's wonderful that we can elect a black man for president. But I firmly believe he was elected for one reason, because he's black. I've heard many people confess that's the only reason they voted for Obama. Not because of his stance on the current issues, or his future plans for this country, but because of his color, and that in my opinion, is just as racist as not voting for him because he's black.

 

For any of you who have declared that our struggle with "racism" is coming to an end, I suggest you re-evaluate what just happened in this election. We didn't blur the lines of racially-motivated discrimination, we just reinforced them. He's not a man, he's not the new president. He's a BLACK man. He's the new BLACK president.

 

I cannot support our new president-elect because of some very key issues, the least of which is socialized health care. Ask any country, especially Canada, if it works. They'll be the first to tell you that it has failed miserably. Not to mention the tax increase on our weakening economy.

 

Another huge problem I have with him is his self-admitted plan to regulate the coal industry to point of bankruptcy. This country gets 49% of its energy from coal plants and what do you think is going to happen when the cost of business just skyrocketed because some one wants to charge you exorbitant amounts of money due to regulation? What happens when the cost of business goes up? Does the company or corporation absorb it and reduce their profits? What happens when the industry responsible for 49% of the nation's power declares that it's bankrupt and can no longer provide energy? With no alternative in place, who's going to provide electricity to those people?

 

Just some food for thought.

 

-T-

[Lisnpuppy]

I live in West Virginia...if you know anything about West Virginia you will know that it is COAL COUNTRY. However WV is one of the poorest states out there and has alot of pollution and enviromental damage thanks to coal and chemical companies...and since we are so poor...little in my opinion to show for it.

 

Here is the transcripts of Obama's comments. What he proposes is that coal factories or plants which run on coal will finally be responsible for the pollution damage they so. If they want to build a plant the current way..then it would bankrupt them...as Obama wished to make it more economically feasable to find a new and cleaner way that to just continue down the old. Do you really think the big coal companies and other plants will change thier behavior out of the goodness of thier hearts? Do you think that change will be easy? If we truely want to explore alternatives to fossil fuels and use the ones we have cleaner and better then it wont be a walk int he park. And like all things in government compromise is the key. Obama will present his wishes..then the oppositiona nd hoefully laws will be passed that improve what we now have (at the expense of the extremes happiness no doubt.)

 

Our own Govenor felt that there was a compromise to be made and his money came from coal.

 

So judge his comments for yourself.

 

 

 

Here's the transcript via Free Republic from his talk to the San Francisco Chronicle in January 2008:

 

 

Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

 

What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.

 

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

 

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

 

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

 

The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

 

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

 

It's just that it will bankrupt them."

[jaysus]

Anarchy doesn't work any better than any other form of government.

 

:no: :no: :no:

 

(anarchy means no government rule... but its about the money not a fascist government or a marxist fuhrer which is the source of all evil)

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anyway i dont think it matters that much that canada has a new president...

[philosopher101]

I have invented, 3 new forms of Government, and a new religion, but what good are those if no one will help the Revolution?

[herosinger]

Thanks for the enlightened post, Lisnpuppy.

[ub3rman123]

I don't know about what everyone is so worried about. Honestly, I think Obama will make a much better president than say.. %&$! Cheney. For me, there's gonna be a load of change no matter what Obama does, 'cuz for alll of my life a Bush or a Clinton has been in office. Odd.

-Sal